Azerbaijan Pakistan sold JF-17C Block-III worth 1.6 billion USD to Azerbaijan

[UkroTurk]

The news triggered Azerbaijan web sites. No one confirms.

СМИ: Азербайджан покупает у Пакистана современные истребители

Между Военно-воздушными силами Азербайджана и Комплексом аэронавтики Пакистана подписан контракт, который станет крупнейшим соглашением подобного рода в истории...

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[Huelague]

Strange choice if true.

Not really. It would makes sense.

 

[2033]

I think this is speculation. Azerbaijan definitely needs fighter jets, but can't we fulfill this need with the Hürjet?

I think we should use the same fighters. Pilot replacement and ammunition supply are very important in case of need.

 

[Agha Sher]

JF-17 Block 3 definitely makes sense for Azerbaijan. However, source is dubious - has made bs claims in the past.

 

[Zapper]

Don't see any chatter on the pakistani forums though

 

[Saithan]

I think this is speculation. Azerbaijan definitely needs fighter jets, but can't we fulfill this need with the Hürjet?

I think we should use the same fighters. Pilot replacement and ammunition supply are very important in case of need.

Hürjet uses western components, so we need western countries approval for export.

 

[UkroTurk]

Hürjet uses western components, so we need western countries approval for export.

Hürjet is not in the production line. Still they are testing and licensing. Azerbaijan doesn't have long time.

 

[Saithan]

Hürjet is not in the production line. Still they are testing and licensing. Azerbaijan doesn't have long time.

Yes, but my answer was meant to illuminate people who thinks we can just sell Hürjet, KAAN, T129 etc. etc. etc. to Azerbaycan.

 

[Fatman17]

The truth or reality will be out soon. HST this is the type of break the fighter needed for export to 3rd world countries. Myanmar Nigeria and now Azerbaijan

 

[Afif]

I am not sure if Azerbaijan can be classified as third world country in the same sense as Myanmar & Nigeria.

 

[Iskander]

Our aviation, to put it mildly, is not in the best position. If we exclude the SU25 attack aircraft, we have only 16 Mig29 fighters in service. We purchased them from Ukraine in 2007 (by the way, that’s when conversations about purchasing the JF17 began). They weren't very new even then. But we had no other choice - Russia refused us. Other manufacturers too.
We wanted to buy the SU 30 from the Russians, but the Russians only offered the Mig35. And then we ourselves refused. If we buy JF17 (block 3) from Pakistan, then no more than 24. And most likely one squadron, plus a couple of training ones.
We have to take into account that Türkiye (for known reasons) cannot sell us everything we want. And this applies not only to fighters.
After all, Türkiye has the same situation: the F16 fleet is outdated, and KAAN is still far away. And you decided to buy F16 from the USA.
Our situation is simply worse. There's just no one selling it to us. Except Pakistan.

 

[Agha Sher]

Our aviation, to put it mildly, is not in the best position. If we exclude the SU25 attack aircraft, we have only 16 Mig29 fighters in service. We purchased them from Ukraine in 2007 (by the way, that’s when conversations about purchasing the JF17 began). They weren't very new even then. But we had no other choice - Russia refused us. Other manufacturers too.
We wanted to buy the SU 30 from the Russians, but the Russians only offered the Mig35. And then we ourselves refused. If we buy JF17 (block 3) from Pakistan, then no more than 24. And most likely one squadron, plus a couple of training ones.
We have to take into account that Turkey (for known reasons) cannot sell us everything we want. And this applies not only to fighters.
After all, Turkey has the same situation: the F16 fleet is outdated, and KAAN is still far away. And you decided to buy F16 from the USA.
Our situation is simply worse. There's just no one selling it to us. Except Pakistan.

The JF-17 Block 3 is a very decent platform. If upgraded with Turkish avionics it can become even more lethal. PAF JF-17s are already using Aselsan's targeting pod.

It s a perfect solution until Hurjet and KAAN are ready for export.

 

[UkroTurk]

The JF-17 Block 3 is a very decent platform. If upgraded with Turkish avionics it can become even more lethal. PAF JF-17s are already using Aselsan's targeting pod.

It s a perfect solution until Hurjet and KAAN are ready for export.

The Chinese aren't bad at avionics, electronics and sensors however i don't know the sensors and capabilities of jf-17 block 3.

 

[Fatman17]

Our aviation, to put it mildly, is not in the best position. If we exclude the SU25 attack aircraft, we have only 16 Mig29 fighters in service. We purchased them from Ukraine in 2007 (by the way, that’s when conversations about purchasing the JF17 began). They weren't very new even then. But we had no other choice - Russia refused us. Other manufacturers too.
We wanted to buy the SU 30 from the Russians, but the Russians only offered the Mig35. And then we ourselves refused. If we buy JF17 (block 3) from Pakistan, then no more than 24. And most likely one squadron, plus a couple of training ones.
We have to take into account that Türkiye (for known reasons) cannot sell us everything we want. And this applies not only to fighters.
After all, Türkiye has the same situation: the F16 fleet is outdated, and KAAN is still far away. And you decided to buy F16 from the USA.
Our situation is simply worse. There's just no one selling it to us. Except Pakistan.

Apparently 16 single seat and 2 two seat trainers plus ground infrastructure training and munitions (?)

 

[Iskander]

Apparently 16 single seat and 2 two seat trainers plus ground infrastructure training and munitions (?)

There has long been talk about Baku's intentions to purchase from 14 to 24 Jf17s. Today information has already appeared on our websites, but alas without details.

 

[uçuyorum]

There has long been talk about Baku's intentions to purchase from 14 to 24 Jf17s. Today information has already appeared on our websites, but alas without details.

Would be welcome news. Azerbaijan strengthening and modernizing their air force is good. Wish we could have our jets ready so we could sell to our allies as well. I see this as an opportunity to integrate these planes with our systems and more of our payloads as well. Interoperability of all 3 nations airforces is an important goal.

 

[hyperman]

Azerbaijan does not have many options, in an Ideal world Azerbaijan would acquire F-16s, as its two closest defense partners(Turkey and Pakistan) also use F-16s, so there is extensive familiarity and Turkish origin F-16 munitions and sensors could be ported over.

Unfortunately, The Armenian lobby will not allow the US congress to approve any sales of US aircraft, nor will it allow any aircraft with US engines or subcomponents to be sold to Azerbaijan. So the F-16, Gripen, Korean T-50 are all off the table. The French will obviously not sell Azerbaijan a Rafale, so thats off the table. The UK might want to sell the Eurofighter, but Germany will in al likelihood be opposed and block. The Tejas India would refuse(not that Azerbaijan would buy either way), plus it has a US Engine. Other various aircraft producers also either use US engines or their fighters are still in development, so not yet viable.

This leaves only 2 options Russia and China. While Azerbaijan operated the Mig-29 and has significant familiarity with Russian Aircraft due to soviet part, this is not exactly the ideal solution b/c of proximity and reliance on Russia, particularly with the regional politics, Russia would be hesitant to sell anything that would change the balance of power between Armenia and Azerbaijan, as well as potentially being a liability if any tension with Azerbaijan happened. Azerbaijan would also be reliant on Russia for support of any platform.

So the only logical answer left is CHINA. As of right now, China has two options for aircraft available for export. the JF-17 Block 3 and the J-10C.

Both are good choices with their own unique upsides. If money were not an issue, between these 2, the J-10C would be the perfect choice, as its in the same class as the F-16s that Turkey flies, and many munitions can be ported over.

The JF-17 Block 3, while not as capable as the J-10C, provides incredible capabilities when you factor in the price point. While it doesn't have the payload capacity of the J-10C, it has many similar sensors and weapons packages.

 

[Nilgiri]

Apparently 16 single seat and 2 two seat trainers plus ground infrastructure training and munitions (?)

Oscar saying its unconfirmed speculation at this point. Let's see, give it some more time etc.

We need to hear from the official govts.

 

[Fatman17]

Oscar saying its unconfirmed speculation at this point. Let's see, give it some more time etc.

We need to hear from the official govts.

Yes indeed

 

[dBSPL]

Aselpod is already certified for the JF-17 platform. Integration of the new generation will be easy. If we make an estimate based on Azerbaijan's future ammunition procurement plans, it would not be an erroneous estimate to say that the JF-17 platform will include almost all Turkish systems incl electronic warfare pods, and including 4 types of air-to-air missiles, two of which have reached the mass production stage.

Beyond the Azerbaijan air force, joint ecosystems can also provide significant gains to the air forces of Pakistan and Turkiye, which are the main solution partners. The availability of the types of munitions developed and produced by both countries on different platforms will provide important assurances for the air forces of these countries in the face of emergency procurement scenarios.


interoperability strategy:

Turkish defense and aerospace industry ------>> Azerbaijan Armed Forces <<------ Pakistan Defense and aerospace industry
(provider)--------------------------------------------------((bridge/proof of integration))----------------------------------------------------(provider)