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I don't know, but they're looks like so happy about giving yearly herd animal (fvking sheep tax! and in 21st Century!) taxation to China. So much of holliness from Cenghis's grandchildrens, yeah.

Jokes aside, from geopolitically, Mongolia is done afaik. Soviets and PRC carved them up so bad. And remaining leftovers are holding tightly to FETÖ for for US linkage.

There is more Mongols living outside of Mongolia.

China hasnt been treating Inner Mongolia right at all. After China is done with the Uygurs the Hui Muslims and the Mongolians are next on the chopping block.

Im not saying Mongolia should sacrifice itself for Turan. But man their future is bleak. Turkiye and the Turkic World would actually benefit Mongolia.

Mongolians and Tajiks have this sort of outright hostility to Turks when they are better off bolstering their relations with the Turkic World.

Tajiks are Persians but a lot of them have Turkic features. Tajiks are basically half Iranic and Half Turkic. So stupid to be hostile.

A lot of Turks from Turkiye found Tajikistan attack on Kyrgzstan uncalled for even backstabbing. Tajiks basically abused our goodwill.

The dispute only helped Russia, China and Iran.
 

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They were part of TAKM but I don't think that's around anymore.

TAKM is still around but Mongolia left.

Kazakhstan applied for membership.

Turkmenistan is a hard nut to crack but they are a country that prefers Neutrality. Either way Turkmenistan is not hostile they have been pretty close with the Turkic Council and have begun to open up to the world.

Same with Uzbekistan.

We see lots of moves in the Great Central Asian Game.
 

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I have some facts for you instead of made-up accusations.

The group that is organizing these protests against SOCAR is called "Filistin İçin Bin Genç" and the founders of this group are leftists. They have people from every ideology and some of them are my atheist friends. They even got beaten by the police in İstiklal Avenue with the support of these so-called "islamist" ak-trolls. They even accused them of being DHKPC terrorists.

Also the same "islamist" group openly confronts MÜSİAD:


Your "İslamists"are on Evrensel -which is EMEP- :


Some tweets of the founder of this "islamist" group:



Sure, İslamists are known for having beef with MÜSİAD, being targeted by ak-trolls and interviewing with leftist media. LOL.

I guess facts don't matter in this forum but I still love exposing ignorance.
I didn’t call them islamists. It wouldn’t be the first time leftist or general opposition figures got railroaded into becoming fifth columnists or little helpers. I’m old enough to remember 2008, 2011, 2013 and 2015. Makeup of the group’s members have no relevancy. A 15 year old can see that with all their positions, this is an Iranian venture in Turkey. If only we had actual financial police and free media to chase their income and possible handlers.

"Nation comes first" is basically nationalism.

So everybody can follow their ideology but they must be nationalists as well? What kind of oxymoron is that? How can someone be, lets say communist, islamist or globalist and nationalist at the same time? That's like supporting Fenerbahçe and Galatasaray at the same time for anyone that knows basic definition of mentioned ideologies.

Also why people has to follow an ideology that is invented by the French 250 years ago? Are we living in a fascist state or something?
Exactly my point. If someone is an islamist, a communist, globalist or a nationalist of another nation, they cannot be a Turkish nationalist. Unless they’re a Turkish nationalist, they are a possible security threat and shouldn’t be given power(be it institutional or popular power) in our country. This a unitary nation state. Over the last century and more, we’ve seen different forms of models being presented as better, all those models ended up costing us money, security and lives. You for example might believe that a federation with KDP and N Syria is a better future for Turkey where not your nationality but your religion matters while I reserve my belief to see you as a security threat to my nation and our way of life. That simple. It’s a democracy.
 

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TAKM is still around but Mongolia left.

Kazakhstan applied for membership.

Turkmenistan is a hard nut to crack but they are a country that prefers Neutrality. Either way Turkmenistan is not hostile they have been pretty close with the Turkic Council and have begun to open up to the world.

Same with Uzbekistan.

We see lots of moves in the Great Central Asian Game.
Eurasia Review: Türkiye and Azerbaijan have broken Russian dominance

The Organization of Turkic States, led by Turkey and Azerbaijan, became a major defense and financial force throughout the Caucasus and Central Asia. Eurasia Review writes about this.

The portal’s analysts’ review notes that Türkiye and Azerbaijan broke Russia’s dominance over the Turkic states. “While Russian power is declining, military cooperation between the Turkic states is growing”
Analysts say Turkey, which has both NATO weapons and a very large domestic defense market, is the region's top choice in these areas, unlike Russia, whose weapons and training are outdated. It is noted that in the field of defense, the partnership between Turkey and Azerbaijan offers countries an example of a successful security structure in the region.

 

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I have some facts for you instead of made-up accusations.

The group that is organizing these protests against SOCAR is called "Filistin İçin Bin Genç" and the founders of this group are leftists. They have people from every ideology and some of them are my atheist friends. They even got beaten by the police in İstiklal Avenue with the support of these so-called "islamist" ak-trolls. They even accused them of being DHKPC terrorists.

Also the same "islamist" group openly confronts MÜSİAD:


Your "İslamists"are on Evrensel -which is EMEP- :


Some tweets of the founder of this "islamist" group:



Sure, İslamists are known for having beef with MÜSİAD, being targeted by ak-trolls and interviewing with leftist media. LOL.

I guess facts don't matter in this forum but I still love exposing ignorance.
Islamist are threat regardless who these guys who are behind attack to SOCAR or Azerbaijan.
Islamist = group or individuals who are using religion to gain political power. Right now one of the biggest threats is Menzil. They are everywhere in the state position no different than feto. Then, those who takes millions of refugees without any control or plan.
 

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As an admin of this forum which clearly sites that all members should adhere to the rules especially not insulting religions, I find this a very short-sighted and naive way of describing the religion of the majority of Turks and nearly a quarter of the world's population.
Truly disappointing to see the regurgitation of mainstream Islamophobic media becoming a normality here.
No wonder other members attacking Islam do it so often with no consequences.
You're supposed to lead by example and be a role model here.
This is the issue with Islam or maybe Muslims. An atheist person can say that religions are hoax there is no God etc. It's not insult it's a persons personal view.
 

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This is the issue with Islam or maybe Muslims. An atheist person can say that religions are hoax there is no God etc. It's not insult it's a persons personal view.

Eventhough Diamond Tema is a grifter.

I havent been praying properly my dad makes it a big deal out of it. His like you will burn in hell this and that.

I cant believe it a Albanian grifter is now making more sense. But no I dont see myself as an Athiest.

Turks deep down barely practice their religion properly a lot of the religious ones all act high and mighty. Then they complain why the youth are rebelling.
 

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Eventhough Diamond Tema is a grifter.

I havent been praying properly my dad makes it a big deal out of it. His like you will burn in hell this and that.

I cant believe it a Albanian grifter is now making more sense. But no I dont see myself as an Athiest.

Turks deep down barely practice their religion properly a lot of the religious ones all act high and mighty. Then they complain why the youth are rebelling.
I am an agnostic, tho there are times I want to believe something higher, having an after life and bad people to be punished after life. But can not be sure.
I respect people have their faith in their own way. Just hate people telling others what to do or not because their belief is against it. Not everybody have to live according to others belief.
 

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I am an agnostic, tho there are times I want to believe something higher, having an after life and bad people to be punished after life. But can not be sure.
I respect people have their faith in their own way. Just hate people telling others what to do or not because their belief is against it. Not everybody have to live according to others belief.

Turkish parents always use threats. I dont now how other parents from different races and ethnicities are. Many things can be similar.

Scaring people with hell and torture is not the way. I did meet a lot of religious people who overtime began to be womanisers and gamble while the ones who spent their entire lives in nightclubs make a 180 basically became religious.

Nothing is static. Humans change.

I agree with tarikats they all need to be stamped out. I see them more like cults.

Any group who thinks they are high and mighty and think they have the keys to heaven. Steer clear from them at all costs.

Tarikats are also in Judaism and Christianity. You will always have people from different religions all forming their little groups.

The Hashashins were formed by Ismaili fanatics.
 

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On topic of foreign policy.

When we study history. Foreign policy is always based on Pragmatism.

Religion is just another factor in furthering geopolitical goals.

Turkiye needs to stop this Turkish mans burden. Turkiye should always run a pragmatic foreign policy. Turkiye is not a superman that can save everybody.

Never run on politics, religion or even ideology. You can never be successful on the long run.

Survival is your own responsibility. You have to deal with everybody regardless if its the Usa, EU, China and Russia.
 

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So let me ask you this question. Do you call yourself a Muslim or an atheist? If you consider yourself an atheist, I have no other questions.

To me this is a fairly short sighted view of responding to a valid question; ‘Why did the Turks follow and adopt a religion that was predominantly forced on to them by Arabs 1400 years ago? ‘
You do not have to be an atheist to respond to that. Many members here, will have their own take on the answer to @Mis_TR_Like ’s question. I will try my interpretation here:

A lot of Turks were already in the domain of Arabian area of influence as mercenaries, when Arabs started to engulf Middle East . Then with the conquest of new territories where Turks were in abundance, they were transformed in to Islam mainly by force. Then with the help of Turkish converts, Islam was exported to Central Asian Turks. Due to similarities of single creator (Yaradan & Göktengri) in both beliefs and a more structured and organised single belief in Islam , Islam religion was chosen and adopted as a uniting factor by the nomadic Turks and their leaders.

All religions start as somewhat logical and philosophical understanding of who we are, where we are coming from and what is going to happen to us when we die, whilst teaching us to be good respectable beings. Religions give answers to this dilemma in an understandable and acceptable manner.
Then history shows us that they are manipulated to become tools of managing the masses in the way the rulers see fit. Religions are transformed in to a way of uniting different races and creed to finally segregate people in order to rule.
People like Mevlana, Budha, Hallac-ı Mansur, Jesus, Moses, Konfucius all taught religious beliefs in their simplest and purest way, to be good and told people; not to do things if you don’t want the same to be done to yourself. But these teachings, over the centuries, were bastardised and manipulated by the rulers to their own advantages. Many sects and divisions were formed, even within the same religions.

You do not have to be an atheist or hater of religions to be able to see that as it is laid down in black and white in front of all to see and decide by themselves. One of the clearest teachings are in Turkic Tengrism. If investigated properly it explains a great deal about the basis of most other religions.
 
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during CANTON fair in April this year we had a Chinese assistant I especially wanted to visit two Uygur restaurants ...for an eductated Chinese, an Uygur is just a big Eye Chinese this is their definition of an Uygur which irritated me
 
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they are racist
generalizations are always the wrong way to follow and an indication of bias but still I am gonna be honest with you bro...they have impressive production capacity and therefor impressive economical power... yet you are never observing the manifestation of the DNA of a Super power... all you see is widespread corruption everywhere
 
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generalizations are always the wrong way to follow and an indication of bias but still I am gonna be honest with you bro...they have impressive production capacity and therefor impressive economical power... yet you are never observing the manifestation of the DNA of a Super power... all you see is widespread corruption everywhere
It is not a generalization.
The Chinese society is, indeed, racist AF.
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