TR Military Operations in Northern Iraq

[Sanchez]

If done with the circlejerking of war crimes, can we get back to the topic at hand please?

 

[Corvus]

Radical problems need radical solutions, @Deliorman already mentioned what to do i would even go further and punish the whole family, which is most likely the source of their radicalism and motivation.

What is the source of YOUR radicalism and how should we solve that?

Does your radicalism require radical solutions as well?

 

[CAN_TR]

What is the source of YOUR radicalism and how should we solve that?

Does your radicalism require radical solutions as well?

Türkiye suffers since over 40 years from terrorism that‘s my source. Any other questions you want to ask me?

 

[Corvus]

Türkiye suffers since over 40 years from terrorism that‘s my source. Any other questions you want to ask me?

But you didn't fully reply my previous question.

How should we combat YOUR radicalism? Should we punish your family as well?

 

[CAN_TR]

But you didn't fully reply my previous question.

How should we combat YOUR radicalism? Should we punish your family as well?

My radicalism? I'm radically against PKK terrorism/sympathizers, so why do you want to punish my family? For what? For being hard working citizen?! For not moving to the mountains and terrorizing people? For not burning down our forrests? For paying their taxes and bills?

What's your point?

 

[Asena_great]

I'm radically against PKK terrorism/sympathizers,

as every citizen should

 

[Corvus]

My radicalism? I'm radically against PKK terrorism/sympathizers, so why do you want to punish my family? For what? For being hard working citizen?! For not moving to the mountains and terrorizing people? For not burning down our forrests? For paying their taxes and bills?

What's your point?

You said radical problems need radical solutions and then suggested punishment of families.

That's text book example of radicalism.

Punishing your family for your radicalism is a horrible idea but that's what you suggested

 

[Asena_great]

That's text book example of radicalism.

Punishing your family for your radicalism is a horrible idea but that's what you suggested

he or his family are not PKK rats and yes there should be a punishment for PKK terrorist families at very least the right to vote and get elected need to be taken away from them more over we can prevent them to received education in government schools and university as well as banning them from government hospitals also banning them from ever entering governmental jobs

every one knows selahattin demirtaş as political branch of PKK what fewer people know is the fact that his older brother Nurettin Demirtaş is PKK terrorist who is a manager in kandil

Nurettin Demirtaş supported suicide bombing in which several turkish police die he later state that he wish he also was a suicide bomber and his younger brother is member of parliament who refuse to call PKK a terrorist organiation and once said he will erect statue of Abdullah öcalan. why we allowed brother of terrorist to become member of parliament whom btw openly defends them

Erlik sharing the dialog between selahattin demirtaş and abdullah öcalan in prison a must watch video

another example is omer öcalan nephew of abdullah öcalan. he supported importing 13 millions of illegal aliens he said these aliens will start a civil war and when TSK is dealing with them we can break apart Turkey with the help of US soldiers. why should such person should be allowd to become member of parliament

and Dilek Öcalan who is doing PKK rally with abdullah öcalan pictures. why should such person should be allowed to become member of parliament ??

Bahoz Özdemir a PKK terrorist and son of Mahmut Özdemir municipal of HDP. Mahmut Özdemir later said my son is dead but i have other sons

mete çetinel a JÖH commando who participate in handek operation explains in full detailed how Kurdish AKP governor's treasons ( preventing security forces to act in time and give PKK to entrench itself ) and HDP municipality treasons ( from municipality's heavy machine that dig tranches to the food receipt that prove PKK terrorists ordered food with municipality bank account from giving detailed map of city which include map of doors in each apartment opens form left or right and brain washing kurdish youth and send them to Syria for training by black water by our tax payer money ) and CHP kurdish member of parliament ( who start a psychological war and called our soldiers murderer ) lead to handek operations and casualties in

@Corvus the question is why you are get triggered when @CAN_TR suggesting that the families that produced PKK terrorist should get punished as well ??

 

[Corvus]

Anayasa m.38/7: "Ceza sorumluluğu şahsîdir.”

TCK m.20/1: ”Ceza sorumluluğu şahsidir. Kimse başkasının fiilinden dolayı sorumlu tutulamaz.”
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Individuality of criminal responsibility is one of the most basic and important principles of law. Humanity has come to this understanding as a result of thousands of years of experience and scholarly work.

There's not a single law system in modern world that punishes families for crimes of an individual since the world is not being ruled based on kahve muhabbeti.

Anyways, it is pointless to argue on this as it's not a matter of discussion for any serious and sane person with an average IQ.

@Asena_great when it comes to your question, I feel ashamed to see Turkish youth making such ignorant comments -openly contradicting Turkish constitution- with such certainty, on the areas that require expertise. Law is a serious matter. Not a toy for teenage racist circlejerk.

 

[Asena_great]

Not a toy for teenage racist circlejerk.

i need to claim that my race is superior to some other races in order to become racist and here i thought " Law is a serious matter " of all that

i showed you the fact that how PKK terrorist using Bureaucracy of turkish state to gain to the recourse of the state and then distribute it to the PKK i showed to you that how PKK terrorist organization is made of 5 branches and each branch doing its part in order to get to the final end which is to break apart turkey. i showed to you how they rise in 3 different political parties and then used their position in order to created troubles which fixed during handek operations with around 750 martyred soldiers and all you have is what ?? " you are low IQ and i am a racist " ?? let me tell you something germany has anti nazi law that in which if they face with threat of nazism again the normal law for the suspected citizen is suspended and they will be treated by anti nazi laws which was something smilar to what i said about PKK and their families. still you didnt answer my question why are you triggered ?? do you have PKKli relative ??

its funny when you are trying to enter the government and you have fetöcu brother people react hasher then when you have PKK brother while both should be same

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Anayasa m.38/7: "Ceza sorumluluğu şahsîdir.”

TCK m.20/1: ”Ceza sorumluluğu şahsidir. Kimse başkasının fiilinden dolayı sorumlu tutulamaz.”
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Individuality of criminal responsibility is one of the most basic and important principles of law. Humanity has come to this understanding as a result of thousands of years of experience and scholarly work.

There's not a single law system in modern world that punishes families for crimes of an individual since the world is not being ruled based on kahve muhabbeti.

Anyways, it is pointless to argue on this as it's not a matter of discussion for any serious and sane person with an average IQ.

@Asena_great when it comes to your question, I feel ashamed to see Turkish youth making such ignorant comments -openly contradicting Turkish constitution- with such certainty, on the areas that require expertise. Law is a serious matter. Not a toy for teenage racist circlejerk.

bro what the hell u telling ! We all know the law that criminality is personal but there are others laws than punish the persons who have connections with them . For example if someone kills and u take him in your home to hide than u aslo are part of crime under law that u supported him in one way or another and thats crime so no need to give lesson us for laws .

 

[Corvus]

We all know the law that criminality is personal but there are others laws than punish the persons who have connections with them .

I'm not sure you all know about that as @CAN_TR clearly suggested "punish the whole family" as a form of collective punishment.

@CAN_TR do you agree criminality is personal or not? @BalkanTurk90 says it's personal and you suggest punishment of whole family.

You can discuss about it among yourselves.

 

[Corvus]

i need to claim that my race is superior to some other races in order to become racist and here i thought " Law is a serious matter " of all that

i showed you the fact that how PKK terrorist using Bureaucracy of turkish state to gain to the recourse of the state and then distribute it to the PKK i showed to you that how PKK terrorist organization is made of 5 branches and each branch doing its part in order to get to the final end which is to break apart turkey. i showed to you how they rise in 3 different political parties and then used their position in order to created troubles which fixed during handek operations with around 750 martyred soldiers and all you have is what ?? " you are low IQ and i am a racist " ?? let me tell you something germany has anti nazi law that in which if they face with threat of nazism again the normal law for the suspected citizen is suspended and they will be treated by anti nazi laws which was something smilar to what i said about PKK and their families. still you didnt answer my question why are you triggered ?? do you have PKKli relative ??

its funny when you are trying to enter the government and you have fetöcu brother people react hasher then when you have PKK brother while both should be same

No, you don't need to claim your race is superior to be a racist. Go check the definition. Still, I wasn't calling you racist in particular so no worries.

None of the things PKK try to do changes the very basic nature of law. You can't punish someone that hasn't committed a crime. Simple as that. What is so hard to understand about it?

I already responded your question. Seeing bold ignorance triggers me especially from Turkish youth.

If you want to discuss this topic further, read "An Introduction to Law" from Rona Aybay and text back to me.

That's the end of this discussion from my part.

 

[RMZN]

No, you don't need to claim your race is superior to be a racist. Go check the definition. Still, I wasn't calling you racist in particular so no worries.

None of the things PKK try to do changes the very basic nature of law. You can't punish someone that hasn't committed a crime. Simple as that. What is so hard to understand about it?

I already responded your question. Seeing bold ignorance triggers me especially from Turkish youth.

If you want to discuss this topic further, read "An Introduction to Law" from Rona Aybay and text back to me.

That's the end of this discussion from my part.

Nobody forces these people to support the pkk, they do it out of their own free will. Why? Because there are no consequences. They wouldnt shed a tear if you were to die in a suicide bombing, you would simply be a necessary cost for them to further their political goals.

So not only do they not care about your life, they actively encourage the taking of it by pkk terrorists. But I guess as long as they only funded the bullets and explosives and didnt pull the trigger themselves, its fine.

 

[Asena_great]

No, you don't need to claim your race is superior to be a racist. Go check the definition. Still, I wasn't calling you racist in particular so no worries.

None of the things PKK try to do changes the very basic nature of law. You can't punish someone that hasn't committed a crime. Simple as that. What is so hard to understand about it?

I already responded your question. Seeing bold ignorance triggers me especially from Turkish youth.

If you want to discuss this topic further, read "An Introduction to Law" from Rona Aybay and text back to me.

That's the end of this discussion from my part.

and i repeat my self again all i want is the same anti Nazi law Germany have for PKK and Fetö

They wouldnt shed a tear if you were to die in a suicide bombing, you would simply be a necessary cost for them to further their political goals.

he will only understand that when he is left for dead bleeding in mountain until then he plays his part

 

[Strong AI]

Northern Iraq / Claw-Lock Operation Area

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1825859090934886577

 

[Kartal1]

Infantry Specialist Sergeant Muhammed Emin ONK succumbed to his injuries after an IED hit him on 3th August in the Claw-Lock area of operations. May Allah accept his martyrdom!

 

[Kartal1]

Serdar Yektas, spokesman for the terrorist organization PKK, gave an interview to Al-Monitor about the ongoing conflict with Turkiye. First, he answered questions about the tunnels.

They decided to further expand the caves they were living in after the Hammer and Dawn operations in 1997. In other words, the organization's tunnel strategy started 27 years ago.

Following the operations of the Turkish Armed Forces, they made continuous improvements on the tunnels.

They have made the tunnels operable without any problems over time, such as ventilation, heating, meeting water needs, etc. The organization's spokesperson Yektas also states that there is internet in the tunnel he is currently in and that there is an electric heater next to him.

He says that the tunnels are kilometers long and that they have built apartment life style inside the tunnels. He states that they have everything, such as toilets, bathrooms, kitchens, meeting rooms, etc.

He says that the tunnels protect against air operations carried out by the Turkish Armed Forces and that even if Turkiye detects their location, there is nothing it can do. He even says that sometimes they do not sense the air operations carried out and that they learn from terrorists in other areas.

He says they use kamikaze UAVs to target TSK bases and loitering munitions to shoot down Turkish UAVs. When asked whether they received support from Iran on how these were produced, he says, "We do not share such information."

As for Turkiye's territory, he still says that the main human resources come from Turkiye, without giving a percentage. Approximately %80~ of the PKK cadres come from Turkiye.

The question is asked whether their activities in Turkiye have decreased and the war has started in Turkiye.

He says that since they do not have tunnels in Turkiye and cannot create tunnels - and they do not have area control - they have decided to reduce their forces in Turkiye and not to send new reinforcements.

So he screwed up in this statement. Among those killed previously Sırnak not long ago there was a terrorist who had just come to Turkiye. In recent days, 4 of them died while trying to infiltrate with a paramotor. In recent years, there were terrorists who entered from Iran and were stopped while advancing trough the east of Turkiye.

Since the main war and aim of the PKK is in Turkiye, they can never take the military decision to withdraw from Turkiye. Imagine that: Your main power is from Turkiye, your cause is centered in Turkiye, your leadership cadre was born in Turkiye, your biggest supporters are in Turkiye. You do not have an option like "I will reduce my forces here".

He also admitted that the main center of the Turkiye-PKK conflict had moved from Turkiye to Iraq. This was one of Turkiye's main goals with the Claw operations.

The PKK spokesman's interview ends like this:

"Our aim by opening these tunnels is not to destroy or divide the Turkish state. We are one society. These lands are ours. Whether it is in the Kurdish lands in Turkiye or elsewhere, our only wish is to live freely. This is what our struggle is for."

From mountaintops to underground: PKK responds to Turkey’s drones

Serdar Yektas, spokesperson for the Kurdistan Workers Party's armed wing, told Al-Monitor that Turkey’s use of its home-manufactured drones has drastically changed the nature of the conflict between them.

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[YeşilVatan]

"Our aim by opening these tunnels is not to destroy or divide the Turkish state. We are one society. These lands are ours. Whether it is in the Kurdish lands in Turkiye or elsewhere, our only wish is to live freely. This is what our struggle is for."

"Southeast is ours, rest is everyone's"

They think they are losing on the battlefield but winning at the table. Reminds me of late ottoman christian minorities. Decisive action must be taken in order to avoid another Balkan catastrophe.

 

[Strong AI]

IF this is true

As for Turkiye's territory, he still says that the main human resources come from Turkiye, without giving a percentage. Approximately %80~ of the PKK cadres come from Turkiye.

I don't want to be seen as a racist or get banned, so i will write only this and won't get into a discussion.
If Türkiye doesn't want to hear about this terrorist problem another 30+ years, then it has to have the mindset of "hard cases make bad laws" ("kurunun yanında yaş da yanar").