TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Sanchez]

Does the land version have RF seeker or IIR, in the video they put some protection on the top. Or did Roketsan managed to makeHybride seeker because land version can engage sea platforms.

I'd think from the protective cover that it should be an IIR seeker at the least. I'd think they'd remove the cover before locking it up in the canister however and we don't see it. Which makes me think maybe they didn't want us to see it yet.

 

[Trakya_forever]

I guess Atmaca ALCM will be this one.

 

[TheInsider]

I'd think from the protective cover that it should be an IIR seeker at the least. I'd think they'd remove the cover before locking it up in the canister however and we don't see it. Which makes me think maybe they didn't want us to see it yet.

Protective cover of IIR seeker is on the top if you zoom you can see the IIR seeker.

 

[TheInsider]

Source?

Kara Atmaca carries ~100kg more fuel compared to Atmaca this amount alone is enough to carry the missile to a range of 250+km.
FYI KTJ-3700 consumes 414,4 kg of fuel per hour at full thrust and sea level static conditions.
0.9 mach= 1100km/h at sea level. If you run the engine for 30 mins it will carry this missile to 500+km easily.

 

[Sanchez]

Protective cover of IIR seeker is on the top if you zoom you can see the IIR seeker.

I'm pretty sure that is the canister's own cover and not the protective cover we saw on the seeker in the video. Great screenshot capture however as it confirms it indeed has an IIR seeker like Roketsan previously shared for the missile.

It has INS, GPS, TRN and IIR. Should be more than enough. Remember, Kara Atmaca is for the land forces use and is designed for striking "Stationary Targets [Strategic Land Targets, Sam Batteries, Stationary / Mobile Launchers]". It is different than the Atmaca ASM that will be used on the navy's Barbaros Coastal Defence System. We'll see if we'll see a future RF seeker Atmaca ER for surface targets in the future.

And 280km+ range is more than enough discussion to be had re MTCR I think.

 

[godel44]

It's interesting that they designate range as 280+ km still even though it's apparently much longer. Either there is an imported subcomponent or, much more likely, we want to export this without an obstacle from MTCR to friendly countries such as Azerbaijan.

 

[Bogeyman]

I'm pretty sure that is the canister's own cover and not the protective cover we saw on the seeker in the video. Great screenshot capture however as it confirms it indeed has an IIR seeker like Roketsan previously shared for the missile.

It has INS, GPS, TRN and IIR. Should be more than enough. Remember, Kara Atmaca is for the land forces use and is designed for striking "Stationary Targets [Strategic Land Targets, Sam Batteries, Stationary / Mobile Launchers]". It is different than the Atmaca ASM that will be used on the navy's Barbaros Coastal Defence System. We'll see if we'll see a future RF seeker Atmaca ER for surface targets in the future.

And 280km+ range is more than enough discussion to be had re MTCR I think.

We can say that Land based Atmaca is a project at an operative level, even if it is not as strategic as Gezgin. Therefore, we do not necessarily need to sell it. In this state, it would be a very good tool for us to intimidate (just like the Tayfun ballistic missile).

 

[Sanchez]

We can say that Land based Atmaca is a project at an operative level, even if it is not as strategic as Gezgin. Therefore, we do not necessarily need to sell it. In this state, it would be a very good tool for us to intimidate (just like the Tayfun ballistic missile).

Even so, staying MTCR compliant on paper is just good for business.

 

[Quasar]

I'm pretty sure that is the canister's own cover and not the protective cover we saw on the seeker in the video. Great screenshot capture however as it confirms it indeed has an IIR seeker like Roketsan previously shared for the missile.

It has INS, GPS, TRN and IIR. Should be more than enough. Remember, Kara Atmaca is for the land forces use and is designed for striking "Stationary Targets [Strategic Land Targets, Sam Batteries, Stationary / Mobile Launchers]". It is different than the Atmaca ASM that will be used on the navy's Barbaros Coastal Defence System. We'll see if we'll see a future RF seeker Atmaca ER for surface targets in the future.

And 280km+ range is more than enough discussion to be had re MTCR I think.

there is the possibity that they become one I mean Barbaros Coastal Defence System and Kara Atmaca for the land forces will/may use the same missile i.e ATMACA UM which is quite logical

since stated Target type is LAND/SEA TARGETS

 

[Yasar_TR]

It has to be remembered that, due to MTCR convention, we are not supposed to sell any missiles with ranges more than 300km. So there is no point in declaring that Atmaca-UM has a range of more than that.
280+km covers what it needs to cover.

With the KTJ-3700 powering it where specific fuel consumption is lower than the engine Roketsan was using for its sea attack brethren; the overall range of this new missile is extended considerably. But they will not let it come out in to the open so that it will please a few of us defence industry enthusiasts, unless they want to make a point of it to an adversary, like in the case of Tayfun missile. Even then we don’t really know what the final exact range of that missile is.

We know that the Atmaca missile has a very good seeker head when it was tested without GPS sometime ago ; and was very accurate. The engine the UM version carries is supposed to be usable at 10K metre altitude. That means it has no thrust issues and doesn’t strain under less oxygen.

 

[zio]

I think som B will use ktj 3700,that is why we did not see test fire till.

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1825203186572865626

Another thing about ATMACA UM, its seeker has a really fine resolution tbh. Perhaps all that work on minimising components led to a quality increase for larger missiles.

Now imagine launching it from aircraft with non-folding wings as something easier to manufacture compared to SOM-C, semi-affordable land attack missile

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1827424896944894067

 

[BalkanTurk90]

I am wondering if our modern submarines can aslo lunch Hisar O and siper air defence missile and other platform can guide them to hit enemy aircraft ! I am asking because Turkiye did it with f16 AIM missiles and guided the missile with peace eagle ??

 

[somegoodusername]

I am wondering if our modern submarines can aslo lunch Hisar O and siper air defence missile and other platform can guide them to hit enemy aircraft ! I am asking because Turkiye did it with f16 AIM missiles and guided the missile with peace eagle ??

It would be a very ineffective way to utilize your submarines.

 

[Baris]

Which one is Arat ?

A memory with our National Turbojet Missile Engines…

KTJ-1750 powers ÇAKIR.

KTJ-3200 powers ATMACA. It will soon power SOM as well.

KTJ-3700 powers KARA ATMACA.

And yes… ARAT.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1827702221338775902

 

[Afif]

Which one is Arat ?

A memory with our National Turbojet Missile Engines…

KTJ-1750 powers ÇAKIR.

KTJ-3200 powers ATMACA. It will soon power SOM as well.

KTJ-3700 powers KARA ATMACA.

And yes… ARAT.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1827702221338775902

On the far left.

 

[Shtr]

I guess this was taken 7 months ago already. Arat was ready for a long time and waiting some other components.

 

[dBSPL]

I think that ARAT will not only power GEZGIN Land Attack Missile.
(A recoverable, low-cost UAV with digital flight controls and navigation systems that will be powered by Arat )

 

[dBSPL]

But how often could you use ARAT then?
Because normally an engine of a cruise missile is built to last only few hours, because of obvious reasons.
Or would that be the reason, that the drone will be recoverable, as you mentioned?

I just dreaming that wing-launched, capable of carrying electro-optical sensors, infrared imagers, or electronic warfare systems (to actively jam early warning and target acquisition radars) according to mission requirement; semi-autonomous, allowing a controller in the mother-aircraft, airborne control aircraft or land station. UAV that can cruise at different altitudes within the mission when necessary during the long endurance, and when it completes its mission, it returns to friendly airspace and lands with a parachute. This type of UAV can conduct reconnaissance missions, gather intelligence, perform ew missions, or simply perform tactical maneuvers like a main fighter jet on enemy radar as a kind of decoy aircraft to increase the survivability of more strategic aircrafts. Basically, what I envision is a much more powerful, maximized mission capability, and reusable alternative to the MALD system.