TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[zio]

I think som B will use ktj 3700,that is why we did not see test fire till.

 

[Strong AI]

#GÖKSUR The tests of the GÖKSUR Missile, the high-capacity ammunition of the Product Family, were completed by TÜBİTAK SAGE in the Ankara Wind Tunnel.

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1825203186572865626

Another thing about ATMACA UM, its seeker has a really fine resolution tbh. Perhaps all that work on minimising components led to a quality increase for larger missiles.

Now imagine launching it from aircraft with non-folding wings as something easier to manufacture compared to SOM-C, semi-affordable land attack missile

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1827424896944894067

 

[BalkanTurk90]

I am wondering if our modern submarines can aslo lunch Hisar O and siper air defence missile and other platform can guide them to hit enemy aircraft ! I am asking because Turkiye did it with f16 AIM missiles and guided the missile with peace eagle ??

 

[somegoodusername]

I am wondering if our modern submarines can aslo lunch Hisar O and siper air defence missile and other platform can guide them to hit enemy aircraft ! I am asking because Turkiye did it with f16 AIM missiles and guided the missile with peace eagle ??

It would be a very ineffective way to utilize your submarines.

 

[Baris]

Which one is Arat ?

A memory with our National Turbojet Missile Engines…

KTJ-1750 powers ÇAKIR.

KTJ-3200 powers ATMACA. It will soon power SOM as well.

KTJ-3700 powers KARA ATMACA.

And yes… ARAT.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1827702221338775902

 

[Afif]

Which one is Arat ?

A memory with our National Turbojet Missile Engines…

KTJ-1750 powers ÇAKIR.

KTJ-3200 powers ATMACA. It will soon power SOM as well.

KTJ-3700 powers KARA ATMACA.

And yes… ARAT.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1827702221338775902

On the far left.

 

[Shtr]

I guess this was taken 7 months ago already. Arat was ready for a long time and waiting some other components.

 

[dBSPL]

I think that ARAT will not only power GEZGIN Land Attack Missile.
(A recoverable, low-cost UAV with digital flight controls and navigation systems that will be powered by Arat )

 

[Strong AI]

I think that ARAT will not only power GEZGIN Land Attack Missile.
(A recoverable, low-cost UAV with digital flight controls and navigation systems that will be powered by Arat )

But how often could you use ARAT then?
Because normally an engine of a cruise missile is built to last only few hours, because of obvious reasons.
Or would that be the reason, that the drone will be recoverable, as you mentioned?

 

[dBSPL]

But how often could you use ARAT then?
Because normally an engine of a cruise missile is built to last only few hours, because of obvious reasons.
Or would that be the reason, that the drone will be recoverable, as you mentioned?

I just dreaming that wing-launched, capable of carrying electro-optical sensors, infrared imagers, or electronic warfare systems (to actively jam early warning and target acquisition radars) according to mission requirement; semi-autonomous, allowing a controller in the mother-aircraft, airborne control aircraft or land station. UAV that can cruise at different altitudes within the mission when necessary during the long endurance, and when it completes its mission, it returns to friendly airspace and lands with a parachute. This type of UAV can conduct reconnaissance missions, gather intelligence, perform ew missions, or simply perform tactical maneuvers like a main fighter jet on enemy radar as a kind of decoy aircraft to increase the survivability of more strategic aircrafts. Basically, what I envision is a much more powerful, maximized mission capability, and reusable alternative to the MALD system.

 

[somegoodusername]

I have a question. Does a long-range, large-diameter cruise missile like the Gezgin need a turbofan engine instead of a turbojet engine? Tomahawk uses a turbofan engine, I assume Gezgin is planned to be in the same category as the Tomahawk. Do we have a small diameter turbofan engine project for that?

 

[Yasar_TR]

I have a question. Does a long-range, large-diameter cruise missile like the Gezgin need a turbofan engine instead of a turbojet engine? Tomahawk uses a turbofan engine, I assume Gezgin is planned to be in the same category as the Tomahawk. Do we have a small diameter turbofan engine project for that?

This was discussed here few times.
Up to about 1200 to even 1400km range it doesn’t make economical sense to use a turbofan engine.
Tomahawk missiles have 2400km range. Fuel is precious commodity in such a long range. It has to take the missile longer per litre burnt. So a more expensive but frugal turbofan engine is a necessity.
Gezgin will have a range of 800-1200km range.

 

[AzeriTank]

But how often could you use ARAT then?
Because normally an engine of a cruise missile is built to last only few hours, because of obvious reasons.
Or would that be the reason, that the drone will be recoverable, as you mentioned?

Kale officially said that they developed tech that their engines could be used for a long time, or unlimited by changing some stuff time to time like "turbofan engine".

 

[Quasar]

This was discussed here few times.
Up to about 1200 to even 1400km range it doesn’t make economical sense to use a turbofan engine.
Tomahawk missiles have 2400km range. Fuel is precious commodity in such a long range. It has to take the missile longer per litre burnt. So a more expensive but frugal turbofan engine is a necessity.
Gezgin will have a range of 800-1200km range.

seems that there is an intention for longer-range cruise missiles and Kale has a turbofan engine project as well which was at conceptual studies stage

 

[dBSPL]

Kale officially said that they developed tech that their engines could be used for a long time, or unlimited by changing some stuff time to time like "turbofan engine".

Being able to produce a jet engine with a very long shelf life like the ARAT at home is a deterrent in itself. It will enable the armed forces to stockpile GEZGIN in really high quantities against all kinds of risk situations. God forbid, but in the event of an all-out war, or if the military capacity of the enemy is to be limited by a very large-scale preemptive strike, GEZGIN will have to play an important role. In my humble opinion, when this engine enters mass production, its production capacity should be higher than we have ever tried before. Therefore, diversification into many side projects/platforms to create this opportunity will be very beneficial for the rapid return on these investments by KALE. While world politics is as turbulent as it can be and geopolitical balances present very serious risks: at least until we see KAAN in the inventory in hundreds of numbers, I wish that the inventory of munitions or drone-ish systems that allow long-range engagement from land and surface/undersurface will be unusually large.

 

[zio]

Although the long range of cruise missile can be seen as strategic move,Türkiye needs a cruise missile around 600 km with warhead 450kg is more urgent.Kale should make a new engine ,5000 newton power for this purpose.

 

[chngr]

This was discussed here few times.
Up to about 1200 to even 1400km range it doesn’t make economical sense to use a turbofan engine.
Tomahawk missiles have 2400km range. Fuel is precious commodity in such a long range. It has to take the missile longer per litre burnt. So a more expensive but frugal turbofan engine is a necessity.
Gezgin will have a range of 800-1200km range.

Tomahawk's range 1600km, not 2400km...Thats for small nuke warhead version

Scalp Naval (MdCN) also have turbojet engine...its range 1000km but warhead small 250kg

Turbofan>Turbojet....You have to compromise on range or/and warhead

 

[Yasar_TR]

Tomahawk's range 1600km, not 2400km...Thats for small nuke warhead version

Scalp Naval (MdCN) also have turbojet engine...its range 1000km but warhead small 250kg

Turbofan>Turbojet....You have to compromise on range or/and warhead

Before you write such definitive statements, you should investigate and support your claim with valid sources.

Tomahawk | Cruise Missile, History, Uses & Capabilities | Britannica

Tomahawk, American-made low-flying strategic guided missile that may be launched from naval ships or submarines to strike targets on land. It flies at low altitudes to strike fixed targets, such as communication and air-defense sites, in high-risk environments where manned aircraft may be

www.britannica.com

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The Tomahawk is a long-range, unmanned weapon with an accuracy of about 5 metres (16 feet). The 5.6-metre- (18.4-foot-) long missile has a range of up to approximately 2,400 km (about 1,500 miles) and can travel as fast as 885 km (550 miles) per hour.

Unquote.

Other sources that give this range are:

Missile, Cruise, Ship-launched, Tomahawk BGM-109

This is a flight test version of the Tomahawk, a U.S. Navy long-range, subsonic cruise missile capable of being launched from surface ships and submarines. It flew in four tests from 1976-1978.

airandspace.si.edu

Tomahawk | Missile Threat

The Tomahawk is an intermediate-range, subsonic cruise missile that is launched from U.S. Navy ships and submarines. It provides a long-range, deep strike capability. The Tomahawk can carry either conventional or nuclear payloads, though policy decisions have phased out their nuclear role...

missilethreat.csis.org

Yes there are various versions of it:

Operational range	Block II TLAM-N – 1,350 nmi (1,550 mi; 2,500 km) Block III TLAM-C, Block IV TLAM-E – 900 nmi (1,000 mi; 1,700 km) Block III TLAM-D – 700 nmi (810 mi; 1,300 km)[8] Block IV - 864nmi, 1000+ miles, 1600+ km Block Vb - 900+nmi, 1035+ miles, 1666+ km (exact range is classified)[9] RGM/UGM-109B TASM - 250 miles, 460 km[10]

But in essence it is a 2400 or 2500 km range cruise missile as far as its max range goes. It‘s length varies from 5.56 to 6.25 metres. That means the amount of ammo and fuel it carries will vary and in turn it’s range will be affected. Moreover, US and its other users UK and Australia, will not want real figures to be open to public and to their potential adversaries. And as part of public we have to take the given maximum range as a valid effective range.
Also, since we are discussing the reason of using a turbofan here, it is irrelevant if the range is 1600 or 2400 km. There are versions of it with turbojets and even a ramjet 3mach speed version is being worked on. Some versions have no more than 460km range.