TR Land Vehicle Programs

[AzeriTank]

-Bro in fact as we know KAPLAN is tailor made for the customer while a specific enivornment in mind (30 ton) ... we may never need KAPLAN class tanks.

-Yet there is a sizable market for wheeled and tracked light tanks I totally agree that at least we have to have several options and with indigenous turret(s)

-M60A3 can easly be considered a medium tank (eventhough it is kind of an old terminology) around (50 ton) I dont know why I am writing this

- However in abroad for ROKETSAN MZK 15.000 M60 and 25.000 T 72 may provide better opportunities... in addition to known domestic need most probably that is why the focus was on MZK first

you miss the huge opportunity here.. with the Thermal camras detecting Tanks from far away(TB2 is able to detect from 80km away according to officials), you need Hybrid tanks. as FNSS is ready for 20 ton class hybrid vehicle, if they work with 600hp BMC engine Azra to make a hybrid engine for kaplan tanks, thats the best tank out there. no heat signature(as the engine is behind, you can easily fit it there as the engine is not fitted just on one side of vehicle in the front and driver seat on the other side like Tulpar.
Kaplan could make huge export in the future with Hybrid engine and 105mm gun.
on the other hand, Hybrid engine will be used in E-Firtina, 1300hp, 10000 tork, i believe will be used to upgrade 800 m60 tanks with MZK turret, which means Turkey will get higher protection and no heat signature and very modern tank.

 

[boredaf]

as i know, armor made of boron is very light. if they can make body armor with the same protection but decrease the weight from 3-4 kg to 1kg, why not to do in a Tank Turret?
hydrolic also wights a lot, which probably used here is electrical for turning the turret

As I said Roketsan is not going to build and does not have another turret for T-72 and you just can't take 5 tons off the existing turret like that while also adding extra protection.

Not to mention, they also mentioned it is for T-72 and their upgrade for T-72 includes MZK if you look at the catalogue I'll link down below:

https://www.roketsan.com.tr/uploads/docs/kataloglar/ENG/1674211734_bkm-eng.pdf

On the 12th page, it states:

T-72 Next Generation

T-72 tanks are carried one step forward by the integration ROKETSAN MZK Turret System. The tank achieves completely modern protection and fire power without increasing the weight of the system. Key aspects are summarized below

And here is the diagram, which I shared before, on the 13th page:

They didn't make 5 tons magically disappear, they changed the turret in the full upgrade package. Main reason I shared that in the first place was to show the protection level of MZK as we were talking about Cockrell and MZK, which can be seen here (in comparison to old T-72 turret):

And, here is what Roketsan also writes in the document you can reach from its English website right now:

MODULAR ARMORED TOWER (MAT) Designed for tank modernization projects, the MAT system provides the highest survivability level with the lowest system weight. In addition, thanks to the low-recoil 105mm main gun system and automatic loader system developed by Roketsan, it is compatible with tactical wheeled and tracked armored platforms and has much higher protection than its counterparts.

 

[Ştutgart]

The British liked the dragon sword

 

[Bmx98]

The British liked the dragon sword

What is it with the Brits sweetening 7p with Turkiye can anybody tell me. First BAE provided engineers to TAI for Kaan now this.

 

[somegoodusername]

What is it with the Brits sweetening 7p with Turkiye can anybody tell me. First BAE provided engineers to TAI for Kaan now this.

Because we are good allies since 1930's to this day? There hasn't been a major issue between Turkey and UK. Most of the issues among us are the ones the US put between us.

 

[boredaf]

What is it with the Brits sweetening 7p with Turkiye can anybody tell me. First BAE provided engineers to TAI for Kaan now this.

Brexit. When Tories fucked the economy in the ass with the stupidest economical move ever, UK had to renegotiate all of its deals it hadn't in decades and had to look to increase its trade in all sectors with countries out of EU. And while it may not feel like it to the ordinary people, we are (or at least were last time I looked) one of the top 20 largest economies on the planet.

Defence contracts are always lucrative, create a long lasting partnerships and defence jobs are usually high paying jobs. If UK convinced Germany to sell us Eurofighters, for example, their of factories won't have to face the threat of shutting down by the end of the decade. When they opened this factory, they created jobs, brought in tax money and export opportunities.

 

[Sanchez]

Turkish Roketsan modestly informs on its website that the MZK 105 tank turret revealed over a year ago has undergone further development and has now received the designation MAT /Modular Armored Turret/. What is more interesting, with the 105mm low recoil gun and probably without ERA armor compared to the MZK 105, it will be able to be installed on armored wheeled platforms. The MZK 105 had a mass of 13 tonnes, so the MAT 105 will have to be much lighter if Roketsan plans to offer it for wheeled traction vehicles.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1839379655616274813

Tower? Horrible translation.

 

[Quasar]

Tower? Horrible translation.

unfortunatly wrong alarm MAT and MZK are the same ... nothing new

 

[boredaf]

unfortunatly wrong alarm MAT and MZK are the same ... nothing new

MAT is just the English translation of MZK.

 

[Ştutgart]

The enemy's lair is penetrated by the antiaircraft alpar

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Alpar looks amazing!

 

[boredaf]

The enemy's lair is penetrated by the antiaircraft alpar

That's false advertisement mate, title should've been "Alpar drives back and forth" They really should show it in action, even if it is just on a target range.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

The enemy's lair is penetrated by the antiaircraft alpar

i hate all those ads for prototypes but in reality if major war break out ,Turkiye will use M60 Tanks
Alpar seems advance weapons but is nothing until is produced in mass like 1000 + , If prototypes will make difference ww2 will be won by Germany not USA and Russia

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841570148106571891

Finally, unmanned ZMA-15 or ZMA-X has shown itself

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841570148106571891

Finally, unmanned ZMA-15 or ZMA-X has shown itself

This is what we should do with all M113s and its cousins when the army finally picks a new IFV, turn them into UGVs with various configurations.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Honestly, M113 is paper thin as opposed to this one. Modernised ZMA-15 has add-on armour on sides and ZMA-X is almost the same thing, plus the unmanned control and LIDARs

 

[boredaf]

Honestly, M113 is paper thin as opposed to this one. Modernised ZMA-15 has add-on armour on sides and ZMA-X is almost the same thing, plus the unmanned control and LIDARs

M113s can have Alkar mortar to give indirect fire support to keep them further away so it would matter less, for example. Cheap and could still have something to do. It is better than just letting them sit in reserve as they are, which is most certainly what we are going to do if we ever pick a replacement.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Yep, hell I even want to see M113 as a missile carrier or even MLRS firing TRLG-122 missiles

 

[boredaf]

Yep, hell I even want to see M113 as a missile carrier or even MLRS firing TRLG-122 missiles

Oh, unmanned TRLG-122 carrier would be great, I love that idea.

 

[Sanchez]

"Korkut chassis" is ACV-AD, ACV 30 by its previous name. It's a big vehicle, up to 30 tons.

Really doubt a steel hull ACV AD would weigh 20 tons with combat weight as claimed on their website.

To drive the point home, this is the best look we got on a Korkut Spaag ACV-AD(ACV-30) next to a regular ACV-15(in this case Aselsan's UGV tech demonstrator based on ACV-15T1). ACV-30 is huge compared to the 15.

photo credit

To clarify, as far as I'm aware, ACV-30 was based on the 18 ton ACV-19[Akıncı, originally ACV-S(tretched)]. ACV-19 is of course based on 14 ton ACV-15. Turkey is not a user of ACV-19 per my knowledge, but was exported to Jordan, Saudi Arabia and a mortar carrier version was made for Malaysia next to their ACV-300s, which is not related to ACV-30 but an ACV-15 with bigger 300hp engine. To sum up, ACV- 30 is an enlarged version of an enlarged version of ACV-15, which is the license production of an enlarged version of M113. M113 will live forever. So, ACV-30, which was made for army's air defence programs Korkut and Hisar-A, was never projected as an IFV or APC. To denote this, its name was changed to ACV-Air Defence instead.

Tried to find a weight figure for ACV-15T1, but it's also not announced in line with FNSS' new vehicles. They only give a general hp/ton figure now. But, this part from brochure is interesting: "Beyond today's combat requirements, the IFV-15T1 will continue to be the backbone of mechanized infantry until the first half of the 21st century." M113 is indeed eternal.