TR Sensors and Detector Programs

[Sanchez]

ALP-600G fixed ground (early warning?) radar on top right of the graphic.

Our most comprehensive look to "Steel Dome" yet, with few never announced systems littered in, from C4 Defence's latest cover.

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C4 cover.

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1842307431306830174

So after some scanning of "what other types of radar exist"

ALP 150-G/P is likely a passive radar (I mean P should stand for something right)
ALP 400-G is likely a low-frequency radar to complement ALP 300-G (Upon inspection of Russian-made low-frequency radars)

 

[boredaf]

AURA 200-G Multifunction Surveillance Radar.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844000619671253468

I'd love to see something like this on Altay with a CIWS, something like Venom with 30mm ATOM.

 

[Afif]

I'd love to see something like this on Altay with a CIWS, something like Venom with 30mm ATOM.

Not realistic imo.

 

[boredaf]

Not realistic imo.

No, it isn't; but it also shouldn't be impossible with some modifications.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Full on CIWS? Not for now

Against UAVs/LMs? Yeah, I mean thats anong the main ideas for VENOM LR but we still need a dual feed TRAKON

 

[boredaf]

Full on CIWS? Not for now

Against UAVs/LMs? Yeah, I mean thats anong the main ideas for VENOM LR but we still need a dual feed TRAKON

Well, we have almost everything we need ready and in use on other products, we just need to adapt them.

Gökdeniz has auto target tracking and engagement and Gürz has AESA radar plates to detect targets, along with a targeting radar. If these can be modified/adapted, it could work. AESA plates on the corners of the tank like Gürz and fire control radar on the turret, perhaps a modified smaller version that works lets say within a kilometre instead of tracking further out like it normally would on a ship.

Already mentioned Venom, perhaps the barrel could be shortened as long as it can hit targets (again) within a kilometre of the tank, other than that it could work great. It's barrel is 30 or 40 cm longer than an M2, so just brining it back down to that length could help with the turret.

Now, I'm not a big fan of Unirobotics, so I'd prefer if Aselsan modified one of their turrets to be more compact and work with Venom. They have a KPV version of Sarp, KPV is almost as long as Venom but weighs about half of it. Maybe a modification of that could work, with a small fire control radar on top.

It's obviously just guesswork on what we have, but parts of what might become a system that could protect our tanks is out there like Lego pieces, waiting to be put together by experts, imo.

 

[Kaan Azman]

The most technologically feasible option to make a CIWS out of 30x113s would be integrating it with AKKOR's sensors but the those tiny ATGMs have to be detected pretty early by the radar so that the slower turning RCWS can take aim before things are left to AKKOR launchers. Maybe when we have quicker turning RCWSs and more powerful electronics, thats what I actually meant.

 

[Radko]

The most technologically feasible option to make a CIWS out of 30x113s would be integrating it with AKKOR's sensors but the those tiny ATGMs have to be detected pretty early by the radar so that the slower turning RCWS can take aim before things are left to AKKOR launchers. Maybe when we have quicker turning RCWSs and more powerful electronics, thats what I actually meant.

Can't we use bigger radar arrays w/more power rather than a quicker RCWS (which is probably harder to do)

These arrays would be smaller than Aura of course but still big enough to detect/track incoming ATGMs coupled with EO systems

 

[somegoodusername]

I assume the quality of a camera directly correlates with the size of its lenses and mirrors. So, will the Toygun EOTS, which is much smaller compared to the Aselflir 500, be sufficient for ISR missions on the ANKA-3?

 

[uçuyorum]

I assume the quality of a camera directly correlates with the size of its lenses and mirrors. So, will the Toygun EOTS, which is much smaller compared to the Aselflir 500, be sufficient for ISR missions on the ANKA-3?

But toygun is trying to spread the stuff in a wide shape with that mirror for stealth shape + like F35 that has its mirror rotate all the time it probably use advanced image processing to stitch images and do other stuff to create a total sensor fusion map of everywhere it travels

 

[hugh]

Why is BAYKAR developing EOTS?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1849777338579288199

Baykar kendi elektro-optik sistemlerini tanıttı: İşte detaylar

SAHA EXPO 2024 Uluslararası Savunma, Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii Fuarı kapsamında Baykar, kendi elektro-optik sistemlerini tanıttı: BG-160, BG-180, BG-220 ve BG-460.

www.donanimhaber.com

 

[Chocopie]

Why is BAYKAR developing EOTS?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1849777338579288199

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Baykar kendi elektro-optik sistemlerini tanıttı: İşte detaylar

SAHA EXPO 2024 Uluslararası Savunma, Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii Fuarı kapsamında Baykar, kendi elektro-optik sistemlerini tanıttı: BG-160, BG-180, BG-220 ve BG-460.

www.donanimhaber.com

Seems Baykar is following a grand vision: vertically integrated drone company with all important assets from sensors, missiles (Kemankes), engines made inhouse under one roof.

 

[hugh]

Seems Baykar is following a grand vision: vertically integrated drone company with all important assets from sensors, missiles (Kemankes), engines made inhouse under one roof.

Vertical integration works when you have the R&D labs that could further the science and the technology without being tied to your suppliers abilities. What is BAYKAR's know-how and know-why regarding the IR FPAs? It took decades ASELSAN to develop and serially produce cooled MCT detectors(along with other cooled and uncooled IR sensors). Will Baykar start poaching ASELSAN scientists for R&D or just do systems engineering with the supplied detectors?

 

[Huelague]

Seems Baykar is following a grand vision: vertically integrated drone company with all important assets from sensors, missiles (Kemankes), engines made inhouse under one roof.

Profit over professionalism.

 

[Anmdt]

Profit over professionalism.

Wonder which company does the work for them. They worked with a subcontractor for the engines, they must have a subcontractor whom they financially and technically support. (And someone likely they have acquired certain amount of the shares). They possibly help with connections as well to make something go through bottleneck in these kind of components.

 

[Agha Sher]

Why is BAYKAR developing EOTS?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1849777338579288199

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Baykar kendi elektro-optik sistemlerini tanıttı: İşte detaylar

SAHA EXPO 2024 Uluslararası Savunma, Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii Fuarı kapsamında Baykar, kendi elektro-optik sistemlerini tanıttı: BG-160, BG-180, BG-220 ve BG-460.

www.donanimhaber.com

Could also be that they are unhappy with Aselsan not being able to scale production fast enough. Maybe the EOTS is a bottleneck and they are solving it by doing it in house

 

[Huelague]

Could also be that they are unhappy with Aselsan not being able to scale production fast enough. Maybe the EOTS is a bottleneck and they are solving it by doing it in house

You think Baykar can it better and faster than Aselsan?

 

[Chocopie]

Vertical integration works when you have the R&D labs that could further the science and the technology without being tied to your suppliers abilities. What is BAYKAR's know-how and know-why regarding the IR FPAs? It took decades ASELSAN to develop and serially produce cooled MCT detectors(along with other cooled and uncooled IR sensors). Will Baykar start poaching ASELSAN scientists for R&D or just do systems engineering with the supplied detectors?

Vertical integration doesn’t mean necessarily to invest heavily in R&D or cut off your other suppliers. Baykar is nowhere near the level of experience compared to Aselsan, Roketsan, TEI etc. They'll introduce step by step licensed IP or acquired tech, grand scheme of things is to take more control of your production supply chain from raw material, suppliers to distribution.

Knowing that Selcuk Bayraktar is an Penn Uni and MIT alumni he might be inspired by US companies like SpaceX or Tesla and ambitious enough to first produce and later design & develop more and more outsourced or supplied systems inhouse. Otherwise, why would he do that if he can buy superior FLIRS and EO systems from Aselsan?

 

[TheInsider]

Local contribution is very low in Baykar's EOTS systems. They are basically outsourcing nearly everything. Baykar assamble them inhouse to create the end product but Baykar is developing its own software and AI suite this is where added value comes. Eventually local contribution will get better but Baykar won't ever produce a FPA in house just like Baykar can't produce single crystal blades for their own engines.

Fergani acquired DeltaV's research on hybrid rocket engines. DeltaV supposed to develop orbit transfer vehicle and hybrid launch system bu now Baykar Fergani is developing them. DeltaV is owned by SSB so it is handed to a private company for free. Baykar will probably buy single crystal blades from TEI for their engines and will probably buy FPAs from Aselsan. It is interesting how easy Baykar has access to those hard earned things but a lot of companies denied access to those components. A Turkish EOTS startup wanted to buy Aselsan FPAs but Aselsan rejected. Baykar doesn't need to do anything it seems the all of the Turkish defense industry companies will work for them.