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[Azeri441]

“The Germans have made it clear that Berlin’s hands are tied because of domestic opposition to any arms sales to Turkey, beyond its naval needs,” he added.

“A bureaucratic maneuver to delay the Eurofighter sale”

Germany formally began technical talks with Ankara earlier this week over the potential sale of up to 40 Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets worth $5.6 billion.

But the source said the move was simply a bureaucratic maneuver to delay the sale as much as possible.

“It’s like referring issues to subcommittees where you know there will be no progress,” a second source added. “A sale would be possible with a written guarantee


Source: haber.aero

Almanya Eurofighter ve Altay tankı için garanti istiyor

Berlin, Türkiye'ye donanma silahları tedarik edecek, ancak Eurofighter ve Altay tankı parçaları satışı için garanti istediği iddia edildi. Middle East

www.haber.aero

23 billion for F-16s, 5.6 billion for 40 Eurofighters? Turkey could of replaced entire fleet with F-35s at that price tag

 

[uçuyorum]

23 billion for F-16s, 5.6 billion for 40 Eurofighters? Turkey could of replaced entire fleet with F-35s at that price tag

We could have also gotten 100+ F35 for free if we didn't buy S400

 

[Trakya_forever]

23 billion for F-16s, 5.6 billion for 40 Eurofighters? Turkey could of replaced entire fleet with F-35s at that price tag

F16 package will be 8-12 billion USD.

 

[boredaf]

23 billion for F-16s

We are NOT getting just F-16s for that price. If we indeed buy that whole package we are getting jets, upgrade kits, engines, missiles, EW suites, spare parts and other miscellaneous stuff. There is a good chance we will not buy everything we asked for, but even if do, we would be buying stuff that air force needs to continue properly using their existing F-16s, on top of the new jets.

 

[chngr]

We are NOT getting just F-16s for that price. If we indeed buy that whole package we are getting jets, upgrade kits, engines, missiles, EW suites, spare parts and other miscellaneous stuff. There is a good chance we will not buy everything we asked for, but even if do, we would be buying stuff that air force needs to continue properly using their existing F-16s, on top of the new jets.

We will most likely buy every equipment we asked(maybe not logistic support stuffs) for but it will not cost 23 billion....more likely 10-12 billion $

 

[UkroTurk]

23 billion for F-16s, 5.6 billion for 40 Eurofighters? Turkey could of replaced entire fleet with F-35s at that price tag

Old debate that is unnecessary.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Re: 40 x F16V70 planes, 79 V70 upgrade kits for 23 billion dollars purchase package

Türkiye – F-16 Aircraft Acquisition and Modernization | Defense Security Cooperation Agency

www.dsca.mil

We have one member thinking it is going to cost us 8-12 billion, another member thinking 10-12 billion.

There is a page full of equipment that are listed there. Also ammunition, integration cost of that ammunition, technical know how and other miscellaneous stuff that only the Turkish airforce know about.

In order to even guess how much of that we will buy and how much that will cost, one needs to be a member of the team that is negotiating with the US and the equipment manufacturers.

We are crying out because they are sitting on our 1.2-1.4 billion dollars. Then the margins of error of our members’ guesstimates are double or triple that amount.

If any guesstimates are to be made it has to come from concrete basis and with knowledge of what our airforce really needs.

Greece and Taiwan are upgrading their F16 fleets to V70. We can draw similarities and analogies as to what the cost ”may be”.

Again Taiwan and a number of other countries are purchasing F16V70 planes. We can do the same and draw similarities.

At 63 million a piece naked according to open sources, the F16 planes are 2.4 billion dollars. Greece paid 2.4 billion for 123 upgrade kits.

But it has to be remembered that each country’s needs and demands are different and the level of equipment and weapons will vary.

At this stage, all we are privy to is that ; there is a 23 billion dollar package from which we will pick and choose what we want.

Government of Greece – Upgrade of F-16 Aircraft to F-16 Block V Configuration | Defense Security Cooperation Agency

www.dsca.mil

 

[OPTIMUS]

With the mentioned C-130J purchase and extra A400 order, I don't think air force would be interested in a similar sized aircraft. We absolutely will need a CN-235 replacement in the next decade however.

We need a replacement for CASA Cn-235 from the very beginning, after these aircraft were put into service, because they were not suitable for what the Turkish Armed Forces had specified.

 

[OPTIMUS]

Air Force already had a plan 6-7 years ago for a larger aircraft, Genel Maksat Uçağı(GMU) program to acquire 6 CN-295 and C-27J were both supposed to be participants but program was cancelled I believe.

I always liked the CN-235. We got them to basically replace DC-3s. We have nearly 50 in service in the air force alone. They proved to be real work horses for any transport missions between bases over the last 3 decades. Suffice to say we probably outgrew them at this point.

in a Cn-235 you get nothing but soldiers. you can't even get an F110 engine in. If you absolutely want to transport an F16 engine with these Cn235s, the rear ramp has to stay open. And a transport of the F16 engine was set by the Turkish Armed Force as one of the conditions.

Nevertheless, Cn-235 was accepted with a lot of bribes

 

[OPTIMUS]

“The Germans have made it clear that Berlin’s hands are tied because of domestic opposition to any arms sales to Turkey, beyond its naval needs,” he added.

“A bureaucratic maneuver to delay the Eurofighter sale”

Germany formally began technical talks with Ankara earlier this week over the potential sale of up to 40 Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets worth $5.6 billion.

But the source said the move was simply a bureaucratic maneuver to delay the sale as much as possible.

“It’s like referring issues to subcommittees where you know there will be no progress,” a second source added. “A sale would be possible with a written guarantee


Source: haber.aero

Almanya Eurofighter ve Altay tankı için garanti istiyor

Berlin, Türkiye'ye donanma silahları tedarik edecek, ancak Eurofighter ve Altay tankı parçaları satışı için garanti istediği iddia edildi. Middle East

www.haber.aero

when push comes to shove, Germany pays a very high price. But very high ones. Their faltering economies suffer more than Turkish ones. German industry is dependent on parts from Turkey. In the first months of exile, half a million Germans would lose their jobs.

that would first bring down your no longer sustainable pension systems and health insurance systems. Germany is no longer like the old one. Germany is always falling behind, even in the sectors in which they are very strong.

and they know it and they know it too: Turkey is the key.

Let's start with SIEMENS first.

Preparations for this are already being made by Turkish industry. KOC Family has already started with the measures.

 

[Sanchez]

in a Cn-235 you get nothing but soldiers. you can't even get an F110 engine in. If you absolutely want to transport an F16 engine with these Cn235s, the rear ramp has to stay open. And a transport of the F16 engine was set by the Turkish Armed Force as one of the conditions.

Nevertheless, Cn-235 was accepted with a lot of bribes

And the CMV-22 was to fulfil the role of carrying F135 engines in full configuration but it can't do that as well. Issues happen at procurement all the time. 235s may not be able to carry F110s, but they are worked to death in all matter of duties for the last 40 years.

 

[OPTIMUS]

And the CMV-22 was to fulfil the role of carrying F135 engines in full configuration but it can't do that as well. Issues happen at procurement all the time. 235s may not be able to carry F110s, but they are worked to death in all matter of duties for the last 40 years.

worked to death???? I have to think how naif you can be like that.

Have you ever seen after crashes that Kayseri airborne brigade jumped off this plane.

Have you ever seen elite troops of the Turkish Army board this plane?

people these planes were no good from the beginning. We had to prove that with human lives.

Ask Turkish Army why they have so many white-painted VIP versions of this aircraft and none use them. With these planes, they can transport a few boxes back and forth, nothing more. Elite soldiers definitely not since 2011.

 

[Sanchez]

Have you ever seen after crashes that Kayseri airborne brigade jumped off this plane.

Have you ever seen elite troops of the Turkish Army board this plane?

Efes 24, international participants and special forces command:

2018, special forces command:

We have more than 50 CN235s in service in air force, navy and the coast guard. They fly day and night in all conditions. If we had retired types after they crashed, we wouldn't have planes left to fly. Aircraft crash, it happens.

Ask Turkish Army why they have so many white-painted VIP versions of this aircraft and none use them. With these planes, they can transport a few boxes back and forth, nothing more. Elite soldiers definitely not since 2011.

We don't have so many. There should be 3 VIP configuration ones, 1 Turkish Stars logistics aircraft and 1 air ambulance apart in the air force. VIP ones are also used pretty heavily.

 

[OPTIMUS]

to my knowledge; at EFES 2024, Turkish special forces participated with CH47 helicopters. the other participants had the Cn235.

 

[Sanchez]

to my knowledge; at EFES 2024, Turkish special forces participated with CH47 helicopters. the other participants had the Cn235.

Here's Erciyes 2023 with commandos and international participants. We of course don't have the data, but a Turkish CN235 is in air every day during the day. These aircraft replaced our C-47s. They are used as work horses and undertake any and all missions. They are not highly capable, but they are very cheap to run.

 

[dBSPL]

TAI General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu:

Hürjet attack jet configuration: Hürjet Second prototype will make its first flight at the end of this month. P2 is in light attack configuration.

Regarding Hürjet's delivery and export activities, AJT configuration delivery will start in 2026. We have almost reached the contract stage with 3 countries, an announcement may be made soon.

ANKA-3 development activities: Firing tests from the internal weapon station will start in November. We will start the operational tests together with the Turkish Air Force in mid-2025.

KAAN: Our goal to meet the delivery target in 2028 continues. We do not see any problems at the moment.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1849414831343853856

 

[dBSPL]

Elephant walk of Turkish air force

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1849463435739676743

 

[Ripley]

Elephant walk of Turkish air force

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1849463435739676743

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Ah! Who doesn’t like elephant walk

 

[what]

TAI General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu:

Hürjet attack jet configuration: Hürjet Second prototype will make its first flight at the end of this month. P2 is in light attack configuration.

Regarding Hürjet's delivery and export activities, AJT configuration delivery will start in 2026. We have almost reached the contract stage with 3 countries, an announcement may be made soon.

ANKA-3 development activities: Firing tests from the internal weapon station will start in November. We will start the operational tests together with the Turkish Air Force in mid-2025.

KAAN: Our goal to meet the delivery target in 2028 continues. We do not see any problems at the moment.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1849414831343853856

I really hope its true, but I need to see and hear it myself that armed Hürjet will by the end of the month. I dont trust our media. If anyone has the video please share.

 

[dBSPL]

I really hope its true, but I need to see and hear it myself that armed Hürjet will by the end of the month. I dont trust our media. If anyone has the video please share.

IMO, what is meant by configuration is that there may be some avionics and structural improvements for armed version. Frankly, I do not think that weaponry certifications will start in such a short time. But we understand that this prototype will be the aircraft where weapon-munition tests will be conducted.