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[boredaf]

Which missions? Are you in the Airforce? Do you have expertise in that field? Are you in a position to be able to evaluate that?

Did you even read the comments that started this chain? Let me explain, we were talking about whether Hürjet would make an appropriate choice for command centre in air for our future stealth drones, KE and Anka-3/4, which would be a mission for Hürjet to accomplish and if Hürjet was based on an aircraft carrier that would be mean its mission would be part of the mission of our carrier.

And you are talking as if only the assets of the adversaries will change.

This is not about whose capabilities are going to get awesome with time. This is about Hürjet and it is limited by its design, it is a trainer with a design that is not stealthy or capable of carrying big payloads. You cannot change that without changing the plane drastically. And if we were going to change a plane to fit it into our carrier (in any other role other than as a trainer) spending time and resources to redesign a plane to use on the carrier why on earth would we pick Hürjet? A plane that we don't have an engine for, don't even have an engine project for, that would stick out like a sore thumb among stealth drones and one that would barely be able to carry enough ordinance for effective sortie rates. Which would you pick if you were given a choice to turn one of Hürjet and Kaan into a plane for our carrier?

Honestly, you are not even giving proper reasons or arguments, you're only arguing to argue and your subtle hostility against me is seriously getting boring.

 

[Strong AI]

Holy fuck, did you even read the comments that started this chain? Let me explain like your name was Bilal, we were talking about whether Hürjet would make an appropriate choice for command centre in air for our future stealth drones, KE and Anka-3/4, which would be a mission for Hürjet to accomplish and if Hürjet was based on an aircraft carrier that would be mean its mission would be part of the mission of our carrier.


This is not about whose capabilities are going to get awesome with time. This is about Hürjet and it is limited by its design, it is a trainer with a design that is not stealthy or capable of carrying big payloads. You cannot change that without changing the plane drastically. And if we were going to change a plane to fit it into our carrier (in any other role other than as a trainer) spending time and resources to redesign a plane to use on the carrier why on earth would we pick Hürjet? A plane that we don't have an engine for, don't even have an engine project for, that would stick out like a sore thumb among stealth drones and one that would barely be able to carry enough ordinance for effective sortie rates. Which would you pick if you were given a choice to turn one of Hürjet and Kaan into a plane for our carrier?

Honestly lad, you are not even giving proper reasons or arguments, you're only arguing to argue and your subtle hostility against me is seriously getting boring.

Oh no they have put a plastic model on a plastic model, they will use the same thing in 15 years.

Who are you that i should get hostile against you? You are just a stranger who thinks that he knows better than someone else.

And there is a ignore button, feel free to use it.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Guys! Let’s not get carried away please.
Instead of getting personal, focus on the subject in hand.
Not everybody will be of the same opinion as you. Taking that in to account, please discuss yor views civilly without being nasty to each other.

 

[Quasar]

Guys! Let’s not get carried away please.
Instead of getting personal, focus on the subject in hand.
Not everybody will be of the same opinion as you. Taking that in to account, please discuss yor views civilly without being nasty to each other.

in fact in a way we are all reading the very same opinion ... just may be from diffrent perspectives

 

[Yasar_TR]

First of all please be reminded that this is the UAV/UCAV thread.

Anka 4 has been mentioned above. Does anyone know what Anka-4 is?

If memory serves, the first time it was mentioned was by Temel Kotil, when he was talking about Anka-3. He said something about producing the supersonic version of Anka-3 and that there would also be Anka-4.

We all know that Anka-3 is a flying wing, and technically it is not feasible to produce a supersonic flying wing. So if we are to produce a supersonic Anka-4, this will have to be a very different plane. As we know that there is no similarity in the design features of Anka-2 and Anka-3, we may have to assume that Anka-4 could be just as different.

Any UCAV utilised on a carrier, at the moment, is a secondary power projection weapon. All 65000ton class carriers (like Charles DeGaulle, QE2) use manned aircraft as their primary weapon, be it a fighter aircraft or an ASW helicopter. But the rapid increase in the development of capable UCAVs in a decade or so may change the situation altogether.
It is good that a study and development of a national aircraft carrier project has been started. As the use of various air platforms evolve, so will the national aircraft project.

It doesn’t logically make sense to deploy a non-stealth aircraft on a modern carrier in the 2040’s. But with today’s capabilities, one has to decide on a manned platform that is currently available to have a starting point of reference.

 

[Strong AI]

Actually i think that stealth will get obsolet in the future because radars getting better and so the range where they can detect stealth platforms increases.
And since you are limited by geometry to make a platform stealthier, the real significance will get EW. I even think that in the future EW will get so powerful, that Jets will be designed only for aerodynamic purposes again (and less heat signature). When that point gets reached, Dogfights will get more significance and so the circle of aerial warfare will be closed.
Thank Allah we have Aselsan in this regard and even RTE had put emphasis on the importance of EW for Türkiye. (I think he said something like EW has number one priority)

 

[Quasar]

The combination of pre-loaded map information, data from navigation systems, data from other manned jets and air control aircraft in the same combat network, and all radar identification and electro-optical imagery of the aircraft in the fleet, processed in real time and virtualized on a common screen is a monumental target. And this capability makes it possible for multiple unmanned jets to be operated and managed, perhaps by a single operator.

Imagine these interfaces on the IMD on the surfaces in front of the Hürjet co-pilot. If the targeted level of autonomy and sensor fusion can be achieved, these unmanned jets could provide an incredible multiplier to the capability of existing manned jets. On the other hand, if the KE can achieve supercruise capability with a twin-engine configuration and future developments, the concept demonstrated on the aircraft carrier mock-up could be a much more ambitious approach than we think.

During the firing test, target allocation and control were performed by HÜRJET.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851654015953551797

 

[boredaf]

Okay, this one is a bit of a headscratcher (at least for me).

Croatian FPV Drone for Bayraktar TB2 SIHA: Signed

Bayraktar TB2 SİHA'ya Hırvat FPV Dronu: İmzalandı

BAYKAR ve Hırvatistan merkezli ORQA firması, Bayraktar TB2 SİHA'ya ORQA üretimi FPV Dronların entegrasyonuna yönelik iş birliği anlaşması imzaladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

BAYKAR signed a cooperation agreement for the integration of FPV Drones produced by the Croatian company ORQA into the Bayraktar TB2 SIHA platform during SAHA EXPO.

First of all, I'm not really sure what application FPV quad drones, somehow, launched from a MALE drone like TB-2 would achieve. Smaller loitering munition, sure that makes perfect sense, but a quad is just weird so I'm really curious about what their goal might be. Second, the firm they signed the agreement with seems to have focused on controllers and visors for FPV drone controls rather than drones themselves so far. As in, they don't have single drone on their website as a product, the drones they do show is from other companies. Wonder what will turn out of this agreement.

 

[Sanchez]

During the firing test, target allocation and control were performed by HÜRJET.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851654015953551797

How?

 

[Quasar]

How?

good question ''Altıncı nesil konsepti çerçevesinde ANKA-3, başka bir uçaktan kontrol edilen ilk İHA olarak tarihe geçti.'' Within the framework of the sixth generation concept, ANKA-3 made history as the first UAV controlled from another aircraft. A prototype controling another prototype?? if it wasnt from Avionot I would not even share it......hope soon we can learn more about it

 

[Strong AI]

Okay, this one is a bit of a headscratcher (at least for me).

Croatian FPV Drone for Bayraktar TB2 SIHA: Signed

Bayraktar TB2 SİHA'ya Hırvat FPV Dronu: İmzalandı

BAYKAR ve Hırvatistan merkezli ORQA firması, Bayraktar TB2 SİHA'ya ORQA üretimi FPV Dronların entegrasyonuna yönelik iş birliği anlaşması imzaladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

BAYKAR signed a cooperation agreement for the integration of FPV Drones produced by the Croatian company ORQA into the Bayraktar TB2 SIHA platform during SAHA EXPO.

First of all, I'm not really sure what application FPV quad drones, somehow, launched from a MALE drone like TB-2 would achieve. Smaller loitering munition, sure that makes perfect sense, but a quad is just weird so I'm really curious about what their goal might be. Second, the firm they signed the agreement with seems to have focused on controllers and visors for FPV drone controls rather than drones themselves so far. As in, they don't have single drone on their website as a product, the drones they do show is from other companies. Wonder what will turn out of this agreement.

Some countries do have really wierd fetishes.

 

[Pilatino]

Some countries do have really wierd fetishes.

I guess tb2 and 3 will he "motherships" for FPV drones.

 

[uçuyorum]

During the firing test, target allocation and control were performed by HÜRJET.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851654015953551797

good question ''Altıncı nesil konsepti çerçevesinde ANKA-3, başka bir uçaktan kontrol edilen ilk İHA olarak tarihe geçti.'' Within the framework of the sixth generation concept, ANKA-3 made history as the first UAV controlled from another aircraft. A prototype controling another prototype?? if it wasnt from Avionot I would not even share it......hope soon we can learn more about it

Avionot is popular but not a reliable source. They just share whatever they find, a lot of people stopped following recently due to him sharing news he didn't confirm and just tweeted stuff an Oklavalı Jedi uttered

 

[Quasar]

Avionot is popular but not a reliable source. They just share whatever they find, a lot of people stopped following recently due to him sharing news he didn't confirm and just tweeted stuff an Oklavalı Jedi uttered

agreed the news is too good to be true ... both of them are at prototype stage ..... but I will keep his tweet as a reminder to myself to use my logic @Sanchez killed my mood with a single simple question ''How'?' but still a part of me will be waiting for a confirmation which will never come

 

[hugh]

New visuals from KIZILELMA, using AB.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851703317560180998

 

[Strong AI]

New visuals from KIZILELMA, using AB.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851703317560180998

Aaaand the tanks are empty.

 

[Radonsider]

Avionot is popular but not a reliable source. They just share whatever they find, a lot of people stopped following recently due to him sharing news he didn't confirm and just tweeted stuff an Oklavalı Jedi uttered

His source is TUSAŞ itself. This information was given at the 1st h 21st m of the live stream during Gökbey delivery ceremony

 

[Trakya_forever]

Is that AI 322 or 322 30F the lastest version?

 

[Huelague]

agreed the news is too good to be true ... both of them are at prototype stage ..... but I will keep his tweet as a reminder to myself to use my logic @Sanchez killed my mood with a single simple question ''How'?' but still a part of me will be waiting for a confirmation which will never come

Technically, its not a masterpiece and very possible.

 

[Sanchez]

agreed the news is too good to be true ... both of them are at prototype stage ..... but I will keep his tweet as a reminder to myself to use my logic @Sanchez killed my mood with a single simple question ''How'?' but still a part of me will be waiting for a confirmation which will never come

Looks like they did do something. Maybe the operator for the drone was in the second seat and that's what they mean? But I'm very interested in what did they do and how did they do it.