TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[Radonsider]

Well done to those engineers. Now we need next-gen stealthy directional antennas, sensors and such.

Already done. They were present on ASELSAN's 2022 annual report iirc

 

[somegoodusername]

Already done. They were present on ASELSAN's 2022 annual report iirc

I can create 3D imagery on my own computer at home too. We usually see finished products at international expos, but I don't remember seeing the finished products in such events. Typically, it takes about five years for our products to be ready and in service after being announced they exists.

 

[Radonsider]

I can create 3D imagery on my own computer at home too. We usually see finished products at international expos, but I don't remember seeing the finished products in such events. Typically, it takes about five years for our products to be ready and in service after being announced they exists.

Conformal antennas aren't magic. We will probably see them on Kaan P1/2, and also look how you don't see antennas sticking out from Kızılelma, they probably use ASELSANs conformal antennas

 

[UkroTurk]

Totally relying on UAVs? As you can see Incase of EW they are vulnerable. Unmanned platforms are on the their limits.

Lost control and shot down

 

[Anmdt]

Titra Technology Business Development Manager İbrahim Adıyaman

I can say the following about Alpin and our unmanned helicopter: Our talks are ongoing not only with the Land Forces but also with the Gendarmerie. At the same time, our work continues with the Naval Forces on the system we call GIHA, which autonomously lands and takes off on ships. As you know, we signed a deck finder contract with Airbus at the last fair. The purpose of this was to enable our aircraft to land and take off autonomously on mobile sea platforms on the deck.”

https://www.airbus.com/sites/g/files/jlcbta136/files/2024-05/DeckFinder_Brochure.pdf

https://www.defensehere.com/tr/titra-teknoloji-igefte-modern-insansiz-hava-araclariyla-one-cikti

Guess we have a key issue here to take care of i.e Airbus deck finder... I am not against any cooperation if we can yet localizing this capability for precise, reliable and safe automatic take-off and landing in extreme weather conditions, day and night for our unmanned helicopters is more preferable

Just to say deckfinder does not magically make it happen to land on extreme weather conditions. I don't know what these people call an extreme weather but even S70s has some trouble and multiple landing attempts lasting half hour with an automated arrest&traverse system.

Deck finder, as also referred in the name literally, enables the UAV to find, locate and estimate orientation&speed and respective location of itself to the landing pad (also approximating its position on whereabouts of the platform during landing). It only makes it possibly for UAV to find the platform in harsh weather conditions, doesn't help for landing

Well, most platforms have TACAN receiver&transmitter and uses visual guidance for landing which serves the same purpose, deck finder uses RF emitters and the parts are light in weight and volume, allowing integration on small systems.

The UAV itself is originating from abroad, the deck locating system is from airbus then it makes me wonder what Alpin does here with a platform not matching to S100/200 in capability.

We may as well get schiebel S100/200, in a hundred batch and get a local production, with localized payloads.

 

[Huelague]

Lost control and shot down

How do we manged to solve the problem?

 

[boredaf]

Totally relying on UAVs? As you can see Incase of EW they are vulnerable. Unmanned platforms are on the their limits.

Lost control and shot down

Way to exaggerate Russians losing control of a drone that just got into serial production last year. There isn't even any evidence that this was because of EW, they just lost control of it and shot it down is all that is truly known.

How do we manged to solve the problem?

By making sure you don't lose control of your UAV and making sure that if you do it simply returns to base.

 

[Sanchez]

By making sure you don't lose control of your UAV and making sure that if you do it simply returns to base.

Both are way harder to achieve in real conditions than saying it though.

 

[boredaf]

Both are way harder to achieve in real conditions than saying it though.

Our UAVs already have return home system in place though and I can't remember a time when we lost control of one and they've gone against EW systems already.

 

[Sanchez]

Our UAVs already have return home system in place though and I can't remember a time when we lost control of one and they've gone against EW systems already.

There were allegations in Libya and Ukraine, of course not corroborated.

Our UAVs already have return home system in place though

Most uavs do. That can also be spoofed. It's how the RQ-170 landed in Iran.

 

[boredaf]

There were allegations in Libya and Ukraine, of course not corroborated.

I know of one that Ukraine lost control, a TB2 and they confirmed it I think, but as I said, we didn't; whose in control of a drone, or any system really, matters a lot.

 

[somegoodusername]

By making sure you don't lose control of your UAV and making sure that if you do it simply returns to base.

There are ways to trick drones into believing they are in a different location than they actually are using GPS spoofing. There are rumors that this is how the Iranians tricked the American stealth UAV, but we don't know if this is the case with the S-70 drone.

 

[Sanchez]

I know of one that Ukraine lost control, a TB2 and they confirmed it I think, but as I said, we didn't; whose in control of a drone, or any system really, matters a lot.

Sure. But in a peer conflict, we should expect similar capabilities from our adversaries as well, not the turkey shoot we grown accustomed in 2021. Lack of a pilot on the controls will always bring these kinds of risks.

 

[UkroTurk]

How do we manged to solve the problem?

Currently we don't expand tactical use of UAV. I mean, our army seems to know their limits however Turkish UAVs haven't faced western EW technology , so far Turkish UAVs have coped with primitive EW of Soviet technology. Americans aren't stupid and they must have researched it.

I think the solution of the connection problem is AI pilots. Remote controlled drones are doomed to be jammed so AI assisted fully autonomous drones could survive.
Revolution of AI pilots needs long time therefore nowadays we need variety of manned aircrafts.

 

[Radonsider]

There were allegations in Libya and Ukraine, of course not corroborated.


Most uavs do. That can also be spoofed. It's how the RQ-170 landed in Iran.

S-70 does have RTB functions.

There could be many failure points in an aircraft.

It could very well be the engine, or the central computer etc

 

[Sanchez]

S-70 does have RTB functions.

There could be many failure points in an aircraft.

It could very well be the engine, or the central computer etc

Only supports my point to be honest. Something failed, either due to enemy interference or due to a fault in the system which left the aircraft unresponsive and led to it going headfirst into Ukrainian airspace. And there will always be such risks with unmanned aircraft.

 

[Huelague]

if you do it simply returns to base.

And why Russia was not able to do so.

 

[somegoodusername]

Turkish UAVs haven't faced western EW technology

We were and are doing operations in Syria under American EW but I do no know to what extend.

 

[Oublious]

Currently we don't expand tactical use of UAV. I mean, our army seems to know their limits however Turkish UAVs haven't faced western EW technology , so far Turkish UAVs have coped with primitive EW of Soviet technology. Americans aren't stupid and they must have researched it.

I think the solution of the connection problem is AI pilots. Remote controlled drones are doomed to be jammed so AI assisted fully autonomous drones could survive.
Revolution of AI pilots needs long time therefore nowadays we need variety of manned aircrafts.

Not correct, Syria is under American and Russian EW.

 

[Huelague]

Not correct, Syria is under American and Russian EW.

We are also using EW if necessary and possible.