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[Saithan]

Turkish Bayraktar TB3 UCAV Successfully Performs First Takeoff and Landing on TCG Anadolu

Turkish Bayraktar TB3 UCAV Successfully Performs First Takeoff and Landing on TCG Anadolu

armyrecognition.com

With a take off weight of 280kilo what kind of arms do you guys think will be good for TB3 ?

 

[Radko]

Turkish Bayraktar TB3 UCAV Successfully Performs First Takeoff and Landing on TCG Anadolu

Turkish Bayraktar TB3 UCAV Successfully Performs First Takeoff and Landing on TCG Anadolu

armyrecognition.com

With a take off weight of 280kilo what kind of arms do you guys think will be good for TB3 ?

Sensors

 

[Strong AI]

Turkish Bayraktar TB3 UCAV Successfully Performs First Takeoff and Landing on TCG Anadolu

Turkish Bayraktar TB3 UCAV Successfully Performs First Takeoff and Landing on TCG Anadolu

armyrecognition.com

With a take off weight of 280kilo what kind of arms do you guys think will be good for TB3 ?

I think SAR and EW pods make TB3 already very valuable for our navy. Weapons will be bonus.

 

[dBSPL]

With this landing, we've got more stuff to talk about, like the serial take off and landings and how they're going to be managed by the ground stations and how many we can have up and flying bout for missions.

There must be very different dynamics and needs with KE or other fast aircrafts with turbofans, but TB-3 is a system where flight endurance is the main criterion. The specifications on the official website state +21 hours, but this will definitely reach around 24 hours with engine, structural and avionics improvements, which means patrol times exceeding 12 hours easilly for these aircraft.

On LHD type platforms, the sortie density of turbofan aircraft may be very limited and in my opinion, this is the basis for such rapid movement in the aircraft carrier program. However, I do not think that this will be a serious problem for turbodiesel or perhaps future small turboprop MALE platforms. However, the time it takes to get the aircraft onto the runway and prepare for flight will still be important. Baykar has made it a company policy to have fully autonomous landing and takeoff operations, and I am sure that the naval versions will be able to take off very quickly according to a certain automation after they are brought onto the deck.

IMHO, the Anadolu LHD/LDD* and TB-3 will become so integrated that they will be inconceivable without each other, almost like soul mates. Also need to say that, the day TB-3 completes its landing below 100 meters with its typical mission pods radar CATS etc, all navies in the world have LHD or kind of platforms but not compatible UAV will seriously consider the acquisition of TB-3.

 

[MhhJA]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858928625841537295

 

[Brave Janissary]

Ofcourse it will be very deadly with kemankeş 1 payload. Also it will be very deadly for shore military assets with mam series. Also they are very deadly potential for againts asuw helicopters with his sungur payload.

By the way if we are integrate hims sonobuoys and mini torpedos it will be great submarine hunter.

 

[boredaf]

Turkish Bayraktar TB3 UCAV Successfully Performs First Takeoff and Landing on TCG Anadolu

Turkish Bayraktar TB3 UCAV Successfully Performs First Takeoff and Landing on TCG Anadolu

armyrecognition.com

With a take off weight of 280kilo what kind of arms do you guys think will be good for TB3 ?

Sonobuoys is a must imo. And, if we can develop a very lightweight torpedo, like Northrop's which is around 100 kgs iirc, that would be amazing.

 

[Armament]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858930878635790538

You can see the radar tracking the drone

 

[Iskander]

Finally this is the next seroius Step, as soon as the weapons and target identification tests are completed, these drones must immediately go into series production at least 60 units + 10 options for the Navy, Gendarmerie/Army/Police and Air Force as first Batch.

20-30 pcs. TCG Anadolu/Navy
20 pcs Gendarmerie/Army/Police
20 pcs Air Force

We should also consider some of the TB2 drones in stock at least 40-50 pieces. Refurbished to Africa & Eastern Europe + Ukraine for sale.
The Money could then be used to finance part of the second batch.

It seems to me that the army, gendarmerie and police are unlikely to need a naval drone. In my opinion, Britain, Spain, Italy, Japan, South Korea may be interested in the TB3. France probably also needs them. The French will be drooling, but they will pretend that they are not interested in it at all. "Non, mersi, monsieur."
Out of pride, of course

 

[hugh]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858930878635790538

You can see the radar tracking the drone

what an obnoxious tweet

 

[boredaf]

It seems to me that the army, gendarmerie and police are unlikely to need a naval drone. In my opinion, Britain, Spain, Italy, Japan, South Korea may be interested in the TB3. France probably also needs them. The French will be drooling, but they will pretend that they are not interested in it at all. "Non, mersi, monsieur."
Out of pride, of course

It isn't necessarily just a "naval drone" mate, it can easily take over TB2's duties while carrying even bigger payload. Basically bigger brother of TB2 for those who want more boom for their buck.

 

[YeşilVatan]

It isn't necessarily just a "naval drone" mate, it can easily take over TB2's duties while carrying even bigger payload. Basically bigger brother of TB2 for those who want more boom for their buck.

Even if we completely ignore the naval side of things, I think TB2-TB3 combination unlocks some interesting CONOPS options.

 

[Anmdt]

Isn't there OKIS from Meteksan in the video on the left at the start of the deck?

Possibly yes, but the ship itself has a precision approach radar that can possibly be configured for UAV approach.

Only for the time being we have proven that TB3 can take off and land, operate from Anadolu mechanically. We need a whole of integration process in every possible level.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

It seems to me that the army, gendarmerie and police are unlikely to need a naval drone. In my opinion, Britain, Spain, Italy, Japan, South Korea may be interested in the TB3. France probably also needs them. The French will be drooling, but they will pretend that they are not interested in it at all. "Non, mersi, monsieur."
Out of pride, of course

A light drone like the TB3 that can carry more payload isn't just for the navy.
Every branch of the armed forces, intelligence service or police force benefits from it and above all you have it uniformly and these drones switch from one branch to another when needed.

TB2 Payload 180kg
TB3 Payload 280kg

You could install a pneumatic rack pack and equip several MAM Munitions or a micro torpedo, or AAM's or Atmaca cruise missile. There are no limits as long as the weight fits.

The MAM (Mini Akıllı Mühimmat) is a family of precision-guided small bombs developed by the Turkish company Roketsan. It includes various models with different weights:

MAM-C: Weighs 6.5 kg and is intended for use against unarmored targets.

MAM-L: Weighs 22 kg and can be equipped with various warheads, including high-explosive fragmentation bombs, armor-piercing and thermobaric variants.

MAM-T: Weighs 95 kg and was developed to increase operational range and effectiveness.

This munition is specifically designed for use with unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and light combat aircraft and offers high precision in engaging both stationary and moving targets.

 

[Anmdt]

Turkish Bayraktar TB3 UCAV Successfully Performs First Takeoff and Landing on TCG Anadolu

Turkish Bayraktar TB3 UCAV Successfully Performs First Takeoff and Landing on TCG Anadolu

armyrecognition.com

With a take off weight of 280kilo what kind of arms do you guys think will be good for TB3 ?

Imo we still don't know the short take-off envelope for TB3, it won't be the maximum take-off weight.

Arms aside, ISR will be the punch of such a drone. High altitude, long endurance, robust sensors (AF-500, intelligence pod and so on).

For the arms, the ship itself has alternative platforms to deliver them (Cobra - Cirit / UMTAS, Çakır).

With this landing, we've got more stuff to talk about, like the serial take off and landings and how they're going to be managed by the ground stations and how many we can have up and flying bout for missions.

For LOS they will need to integrate additional antennas to the ship, additional consoles in the operations room or configuring an adjacent room as 'drone operations room' those two rooms will need an opening between.
Integration to the ADVENT so that data exchange or mission ploting becomes reasonable, or else TB3 will be there just for the appearance.
SATCOM bandwidth is another limit, they may need to make it possible to alternate between UAVs and stall some of them in cruise mode etc.
IMO the ship has sufficient SATCOM bandwidth but not all can be allocated for drones.

 

[Sanchez]

Only for the time being we have proven that TB3 can take off and land, operate from Anadolu mechanically. We need a whole of integration process in every possible level.

Wonder if we'll see those ropes and pulleys like they first shown in the future. Sending and landing a single aircraft means nothing in carrier operations. I'm very interested in how will sortie generation work with both TB3 and more importantly helicopters. Correct me but if i remember only one spot(starboard, in front of the phalanx) is available for helicopters during drone operations.

 

[UkroTurk]

Kudos to the engineers, the ride is much smoother than

Well said. My congratulations to all engineers, technicians, all responsibles and taxpayers.


@Anmdt
What are the wind limits for light turboprop aircrafts such as TB3?

Considering slow take-off, approaching and landing speed, what are the wind limits ?

Moreover TCG ANADOLU has not angled runway how could they deal also side wings?

Damn jet assisted take off would be great.

 

[dBSPL]

Sonobuoys is a must imo. And, if we can develop a very lightweight torpedo, like Northrop's which is around 100 kgs iirc, that would be amazing.

1W A-size passive directional sonobuoys packing under 10kg while NATO standard G-size is under 6kg., but I think the sonobuoys dispenser pod for UAVs and the sonobuoy monitoring and control system (SMCS) are the main weights here. The weight of the SDS pod using in the MQ9B is around 130 kg. A system consisting of 8-10 sonobuoys may barely fit. When we talk about detecting subs, a MAD system may also be included. The AN/ASQ-508 Advanced Integrated Magnetic Anomaly Detection System (AIMS) package weight is 27kg in official sources. In the more compact 30W MAD-XR developed for helis, they reduced the weight to under 2kg. But, If we say that CATS is 55kg and a SAR/ISAR optimized for TB-3 is 30kg on average, AIS, conformal antennas etc, unfortunately I couldn't figure it out how to take off.

I guess distributed systems are the best for this class. An ASW+ISTAR teaming system consisting of 3-4 UCAVs can be designed. But in that case, it would be quite challenging to work in different sectors simultaneously.

 

[YeşilVatan]

I'll toss a rock down the well:

Is it possible/practical to equip TB-3 as a relay drone to control other assets further away? Can it be done with a pod or something?

 

[Fairon]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858940275139207480