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[dBSPL]

The Department of Government Efficiency, one of Trump's election promises, is set to be established with the aim of increasing government efficiency by reducing bureaucratic costs, ending wastefulness and restructuring federal agencies. Musk, Trump's biggest election financier, is expected to head this ministry. So not only is he the richest man in the world who dreams of going to Mars, but he is also an aerospace mega-investor who will also carry considerable weight in the Trump's second term.

As I understand it, Musk's main criticism is the F-35 project model. This is not something that is subjective, it is a problem that has been voiced many times, including by the US Air Force, and has been discussed for years, but whether unmanned combatant aviation can become the dominant factor as soon as it is said to be is open to further debate. But in general, it is a statement that should be taken into account. Btw, LMT plummeted deeper, after Musk's tweet. He may have short sell. lol

 

[boredaf]

The Department of Government Efficiency, one of Trump's election promises, is set to be established with the aim of increasing government efficiency by reducing bureaucratic costs, ending wastefulness and restructuring federal agencies. Musk, Trump's biggest election financier, is expected to head this ministry. So not only is he the richest man in the world who dreams of going to Mars, but he is also an aerospace mega-investor who will also carry considerable weight in the Trump's second term.

That "department" is nothing but a way for getting rid of as much of federal government as possible to deregulate as much of US economy as possible, so that billionaires like Musk can make more money. "Ending wastefulness" lmfao

 

[hugh]

The Department of Government Efficiency, one of Trump's election promises, is set to be established with the aim of increasing government efficiency by reducing bureaucratic costs, ending wastefulness and restructuring federal agencies. Musk, Trump's biggest election financier, is expected to head this ministry. So not only is he the richest man in the world who dreams of going to Mars, but he is also an aerospace mega-investor who will also carry considerable weight in the Trump's second term.

As I understand it, Musk's main criticism is the F-35 project model. This is not something that is subjective, it is a problem that has been voiced many times, including by the US Air Force, and has been discussed for years, but whether unmanned combatant aviation can become the dominant factor as soon as it is said to be is open to further debate. But in general, it is a statement that should be taken into account. Btw, LMT plummeted deeper, after Musk's tweet. He may have short sell. lol

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1861088922304160167

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1861088922304160167

Tweets from Musk are completely irrelevant to this thread.

 

[hugh]

Tweets from Musk are completely irrelevant to this thread.

maybe a mod could move the convo to the relevant thread

 

[Lool]

Okay genius. You take the any drone or multiple of it you want and i take a singular f35. Lets see who dies and who survives

How many rockets can an F35 carry? 10? 20?

All what I need is 30 kamikaze-like loyal wingman and the F35 is cooked
Do you know whats even funnier? Is that the cost of such system maybe even cheaper than a fully equipped single f35, looool

Lets just admit it, the F35 is a failed project. It was intended to be an upgrade over the beautifully made F16s, but they failed in every sense of the word.

It just doesnt make sense for me to spend billions of dollars on a couple of F35s that will continue to siphon off the defence budget every year and send it to the Americans when I even need to ask the bloody Americans every day for the fqing password

In terms of efficiency, longevity, and cost-effectiveness, the F35 is a bloody black hole that will bankrupt nations and not make it stronger

 

[Heartbang]

When Musk is talking about drones instead of F-35's, he's not talking about quadcopters and stuff. He's talking about this:

So, mock him at your own peril.

 

[Anmdt]

When Musk is talking about drones instead of F-35's, he's not talking about quadcopters and stuff. He's talking about this:

So, mock him at your own peril.

Yeah but that's beyond 2050, maybe even more.

Can you assure us that there won't be any wars or conflicts that we may need a manned system and or if happens to be, can be resolved entirely by missiles and unmanned systems until the time comes?

If so i willingly support halting the entire of manned projects.

Do we have end to end secure (not talking about an encrypted network, but security of whole chain) communications solutions at the moment to get the same work done via remotely piloted / controlled drones?

From today to ten years ahead most of the unmanned platforms will serve as front line units, KE, Anka III won't be much than a system that delivers a payload at dedicated targets. Or provides a quick look at the targets prior to attack.

Developing manned platforms shouldn't be redundant or negligible. The process itself heavily supports the core technologies that unmanned platforms need in future, they can coexist for a smooth transition.

Which of the manned platform development program focuses so much on the pilot factor and got delayed because of that? It is often related to engines, stealth techs, radars, signal processors and so on.

 

[Shtr]

He has shared some his thoughts. It was swarm of drones and not this concept I guess.

 

[Sanchez]

KE, Anka III won't be much than a system that delivers a payload at dedicated targets. Or provides a quick look at the targets prior to attack

I don't think most people understand this. Tech is simply not there yet.

 

[boredaf]

I don't think most people understand this. Tech is simply not there yet.

It's the bloody word "AI", people see it and think of Skynet when in reality things that are labelled as AI right now has no real intelligence to them at all. It's just a buzzword that people keep falling for.

 

[Anmdt]

I don't think most people understand this. Tech is simply not there yet.

I am not much of a computer science guy but i have seen people struggling with a single GPU (expensive one) on a sea platform (something tiny, unmanned, remote controlled) trying to implement some well known image processing tool on the go with a low-frame per second (1 and even less). The boat was merely making less than 10 knots, and had only 3 cameras to process (360 degrees). It had troubles, on a 2D domain that in can move, and on a 2D space it needs to process.

When i combine all the sensors on a fighter jet and thinking ways to "process it" and "reason it", that even overwhelms me.

Yes the future is there and i don't think anyone denies the fact that it is, but i can relate this to 80s-90s where remotely piloted UAVs were a big thing and nowadays even kids can get one and play with those, in a similar manner those "AI" enabled fighters will be used by some superpowers in the next decade but past-2050 those technologies will be commercialized or enabled by 3rd parties and just as happened with TB2 (and the drones in the same class, where almost ever nation in G20 has such a program to develop one, or already operates an indigenous one), better if we start now and adjust to that.

Dreams are meant to be sold but it is like the "mushrooms", it poisons some minds and then they begin to parrot "yeah manned platforms are junk".

 

[Heartbang]

Yeah but that's beyond 2050, maybe even more.

Can you assure us that there won't be any wars or conflicts that we may need a manned system and or if happens to be, can be resolved entirely by missiles and unmanned systems until the time comes?

If so i willingly support halting the entire of manned projects.

Do we have end to end secure (not talking about an encrypted network, but security of whole chain) communications solutions at the moment to get the same work done via remotely piloted / controlled drones?

From today to ten years ahead most of the unmanned platforms will serve as front line units, KE, Anka III won't be much than a system that delivers a payload at dedicated targets. Or provides a quick look at the targets prior to attack.

Developing manned platforms shouldn't be redundant or negligible. The process itself heavily supports the core technologies that unmanned platforms need in future, they can coexist for a smooth transition.

Which of the manned platform development program focuses so much on the pilot factor and got delayed because of that? It is often related to engines, stealth techs, radars, signal processors and so on.

I do concur with all the points you've mentioned, apart from one thing:

I don't think it'll take that many years for this tech to mature. And there are people in the Pentagon CoC who are on the same page as me. They often mention the development pace of the AI tech has triggered a reorganization effort in the NGAD project.

And when one does remember that Elon Musk has this doohickey called "Starlink" at hand that has proved itself in the battlefield already. A tech he stated many times that he's willing to militarize for the right price.

Suddenly, Elon screeching against F-35's make a lot more sense.

 

[uçuyorum]

I am not much of a computer science guy but i have seen people struggling with a single GPU (expensive one) on a sea platform (something tiny, unmanned, remote controlled) trying to implement some well known image processing tool on the go with a low-frame per second (1 and even less). The boat was merely making less than 10 knots, and had only 3 cameras to process (360 degrees). It had troubles, on a 2D domain that in can move, and on a 2D space it needs to process.

When i combine all the sensors on a fighter jet and thinking ways to "process it" and "reason it", that even overwhelms me.

Yes the future is there and i don't think anyone denies the fact that it is, but i can relate this to 80s-90s where remotely piloted UAVs were a big thing and nowadays even kids can get one and play with those, in a similar manner those "AI" enabled fighters will be used by some superpowers in the next decade but past-2050 those technologies will be commercialized or enabled by 3rd parties and just as happened with TB2 (and the drones in the same class, where almost ever nation in G20 has such a program to develop one, or already operates an indigenous one), better if we start now and adjust to that.

Dreams are meant to be sold but it is like the "mushrooms", it poisons some minds and then they begin to parrot "yeah manned platforms are junk".

Sounds like a skill issue on that guy.

 

[Anmdt]

I do concur with all the points you've mentioned, apart from one thing:

I don't think it'll take that many years for this tech to mature. And there are people in the Pentagon CoC who are on the same page as me. They often mention the development pace of the AI tech has triggered a reorganization effort in the NGAD project.

And when one does remember that Elon Musk has this doohickey called "Starlink" at hand that has proved itself in the battlefield already. A tech he stated many times that he's willing to militarize for the right price.

Suddenly, Elon screeching against F-35's make a lot more sense.

That's my point,

Do we have starlink or any low latency, secure and multiple satellite (redundant scheme) enabled communication tool?

If we have it in the next decade do we have resources to defend it in space domain, or cyber domain or EW domain? If my answer is no to any of those, i won't rely on that network for combat, but we may get a yes if we start from now.

 

[UcanTost]

How many rockets can an F35 carry? 10? 20?

All what I need is 30 kamikaze-like loyal wingman and the F35 is cooked
Do you know whats even funnier? Is that the cost of such system maybe even cheaper than a fully equipped single f35, looool

Lets just admit it, the F35 is a failed project. It was intended to be an upgrade over the beautifully made F16s, but they failed in every sense of the word.

It just doesnt make sense for me to spend billions of dollars on a couple of F35s that will continue to siphon off the defence budget every year and send it to the Americans when I even need to ask the bloody Americans every day for the fqing password

In terms of efficiency, longevity, and cost-effectiveness, the F35 is a bloody black hole that will bankrupt nations and not make it stronger

Stop talking non-sense and give me concrete examples.

Which kamikaze-like loyal wingman are you talking about? How are you actually going to take me out?

Spoiler alert: you wont.

 

[Rooxbar]

If you want ideas about how possible AGI is seen currently, talk to statisticians with PhDs in probability theory, measure theory, computational complexity theory, etc. or in statistical physics working on Deep RL, LLMS, etc. not people who want to sell you something.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I asked ChatGPT if there was a connection between Musk's statements about the F-35, and the recent news/desire of US industry/government to bring Turkey back into the F-35 program.

The answer was surprising but also somehow predictable.

CHAT GPT (Paid Version)
Elon Musk recently criticized the F-35 fighter jets as prone to error and extremely expensive, highlighting the efficiency of unmanned drones.
As a member of the Trump administration, he could have a major influence on defense spending, which could lead to a review of the F-35 budget.

At the same time, there are reports that the US would like to reintegrate Turkey into the F-35 program if Ankara renounces the Russian S-400 missile defense system. The reintegration of Turkey could reduce the production costs of the F-35 and distribute production among the NATO partner.

Their assumption is therefore logical: Musk's criticism could lead to budget cuts, while reintegrating Turkey into the program could reduce costs by increasing production numbers and optimizing costs through international cooperation.

 

[hugh]

I asked ChatGPT if there was a connection between Musk's statements about the F-35, and the recent news/desire of US industry/government to bring Turkey back into the F-35 program.

a tweet from 2021

Their assumption is therefore logical: Musk's criticism could lead to budget cuts, while reintegrating Turkey into the program could reduce costs by increasing production numbers and optimizing costs through international cooperation.

@Ripley can you file a petition to tip the Americans to move their assembly line to Turkey?

TAI will take the bullet and save the mighty F35

 

[Spitfire9]

At the same time, there are reports that the US would like to reintegrate Turkey into the F-35 program if Ankara renounces the Russian S-400 missile defense system. The reintegration of Turkey could reduce the production costs of the F-35 and distribute production among the NATO partner.

Their assumption is therefore logical: Musk's criticism could lead to budget cuts, while reintegrating Turkey into the program could reduce costs by increasing production numbers and optimizing costs through international cooperation.

If a program like Gripen E (100 ordered so far) doubled to 200 orders, I could see that reducing unit costs materially. Would 100 more F-35 have much effect on unit costs? I don't see it. But I'm no expert.