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It's good for the country and for BAYKAR but why is TAI not receiving any love? Does the government pitch only BAYKAR's products when doing these visits? Or is TAI's drones inferior or sth?
Indonesia signed a 300 million deal for Anka-S back in 2023.
 

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Desan to build a "Multi-Purpose Mission Ship" for Malaysian Coast Guard. Per the newspiece, program was allocated a budget of about 80 million dollars last year. No news so far on the options being activated for LMS batch 2.


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Details of the design are lacking. Not clear if this is a Desan design or they will just build it.

From Malaysian sources: "MPMS have a endurance of 30 days without resupply , will carried 4 Fast Interceptor Craft ( FIC ) , a heli deck , medical and prisoner facilities....Multi-Purpose Mothership will have a length of 99 meters and accomodation for 70 crews and 30 passengers."
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It is a nice little ship, but it clearly shows low cost was the main driving feature of the design. We still are unable to sell larger vessels in bigger numbers, more than 3500 tons, save for AORs.

great news. hopefully the process would be materialized in near term.

I was expecting an Akıncı sale for some time, but TB3 was a surprise. With or without a flattop ship like an Indonesian Anadolu or Garibaldi, TB3's STOL design will help Indonesia project power over its island chains without the need for larger runways.
 

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Indonesia "placed a large order" for Akıncı and TB3s.

More details: Two deals were signed, Baykar and Roketsan will create two joint venture companies with the Indonesian state owned Republikorp.

Baykar deal:

"The first agreement was signed between Baykar Makina, a global leader in Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) technology, and Republikorp. The collaboration aims to establish a Joint Venture Company (JVC) that will focus on the production, assembly, and maintenance of UAVs in Indonesia.

The main products to be localized include 60 sets of Medium-Altitude Long-Endurance (MALE) TB3 Bayraktar class UAVs and 9 sets of High-Altitude Long-Endurance (HALE) Akinci Bayraktar, which will support the strategy of strengthening the aerospace industry and national defense independence.

Baykar Makina, led by CEO Haluk Bayraktar, will contribute manufacturing expertise, technology transfer and training. Baykar is known as a global leader in developing advanced UAVs that meet international standards.

Republikorp, under the leadership of Chairman Norman Joesoef, will ensure regulatory compliance, infrastructure development, certification of local experts, and integration of UAVs into Indonesia’s defense ecosystem.

Through this partnership, Indonesia will strengthen its capabilities in regional monitoring, national security, and defense operations. In addition, this collaboration also opens up opportunities for innovation, research, and development of UAV technology at the regional level."

Roketsan deal:

"The agreement also aims to establish a Joint Venture Company that will focus on localizing the production of advanced guided missile systems such as anti-ship cruise missiles and multi-platform missiles in Indonesia. The main priorities of this JVC are technology transfer, increasing the capacity of the domestic defense industry, and developing the national workforce through training programs for Indonesian engineers and technicians.

Roketsan, currently led by CEO Murat İkinci, has extensive experience in developing advanced rockets, missiles and defense systems. As Turkey's only defense company with CMMI/DEV 3 certification, Roketsan was also instrumental in establishing Turkey's first satellite launch center in 2013.

Republikorp, as a national private defense industry holding, focuses on technological innovation and global technology transfer to support Indonesia's defense and security needs. Through this partnership, Republikorp is committed to mastering multi-platform missile technology and strengthening the national defense industry supply chain."

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Both agreements emphasize the importance of technology transfer and strengthening national capacity as the foundation for building a self-reliant and sustainable defense industry. Roketsan will lead technology transfer in the field of missile systems, including intellectual property licensing, production expertise, and technical training.

Baykar Makina will provide training and technical support to ensure the UAVs produced comply with international standards, as well as increase the competitiveness of the national aerospace sector.

In addition, both JVCs will work with local industries to optimize the supply chain and reduce dependence on imported components. This collaboration will not only reduce dependence on imported components but also position Indonesia as part of the global supply chain in the defense industry.


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Morocco is expanding its defense cooperation with Turkey in order to modernize its army. During the Moroccan delegation’s meetings with ASELSAN, the establishment of joint research centers and the production of some critical defense systems in Morocco were also on the agenda.

The cooperation is planned to focus on electronic systems, smart solutions, and unmanned aerial platforms.

It was also reported that the two sides held talks on the purchase of a new combat management system aimed at increasing the Moroccan kingdom's maritime defense capabilities.


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More details: Two deals were signed, Baykar and Roketsan will create two joint venture companies with the Indonesian state owned Republikorp.

Baykar deal:

"The first agreement was signed between Baykar Makina, a global leader in Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) technology, and Republikorp. The collaboration aims to establish a Joint Venture Company (JVC) that will focus on the production, assembly, and maintenance of UAVs in Indonesia.

The main products to be localized include 60 sets of Medium-Altitude Long-Endurance (MALE) TB3 Bayraktar class UAVs and 9 sets of High-Altitude Long-Endurance (HALE) Akinci Bayraktar, which will support the strategy of strengthening the aerospace industry and national defense independence.

Baykar Makina, led by CEO Haluk Bayraktar, will contribute manufacturing expertise, technology transfer and training. Baykar is known as a global leader in developing advanced UAVs that meet international standards.

Republikorp, under the leadership of Chairman Norman Joesoef, will ensure regulatory compliance, infrastructure development, certification of local experts, and integration of UAVs into Indonesia’s defense ecosystem.

Through this partnership, Indonesia will strengthen its capabilities in regional monitoring, national security, and defense operations. In addition, this collaboration also opens up opportunities for innovation, research, and development of UAV technology at the regional level."

Roketsan deal:

"The agreement also aims to establish a Joint Venture Company that will focus on localizing the production of advanced guided missile systems such as anti-ship cruise missiles and multi-platform missiles in Indonesia. The main priorities of this JVC are technology transfer, increasing the capacity of the domestic defense industry, and developing the national workforce through training programs for Indonesian engineers and technicians.

Roketsan, currently led by CEO Murat İkinci, has extensive experience in developing advanced rockets, missiles and defense systems. As Turkey's only defense company with CMMI/DEV 3 certification, Roketsan was also instrumental in establishing Turkey's first satellite launch center in 2013.

Republikorp, as a national private defense industry holding, focuses on technological innovation and global technology transfer to support Indonesia's defense and security needs. Through this partnership, Republikorp is committed to mastering multi-platform missile technology and strengthening the national defense industry supply chain."

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Both agreements emphasize the importance of technology transfer and strengthening national capacity as the foundation for building a self-reliant and sustainable defense industry. Roketsan will lead technology transfer in the field of missile systems, including intellectual property licensing, production expertise, and technical training.

Baykar Makina will provide training and technical support to ensure the UAVs produced comply with international standards, as well as increase the competitiveness of the national aerospace sector.

In addition, both JVCs will work with local industries to optimize the supply chain and reduce dependence on imported components. This collaboration will not only reduce dependence on imported components but also position Indonesia as part of the global supply chain in the defense industry.


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wow, 60 Tb3 and 9 Akinci
 

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Wasn't there some news about you lot looking at building an LHD? There is a good chance some of those TB3's would be for that, if it is true.
Likely we are eyeing for 2ndhand LHD, for the express procurements
 

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Details of the design are lacking. Not clear if this is a Desan design or they will just build it.

From Malaysian sources: "MPMS have a endurance of 30 days without resupply , will carried 4 Fast Interceptor Craft ( FIC ) , a heli deck , medical and prisoner facilities....Multi-Purpose Mothership will have a length of 99 meters and accomodation for 70 crews and 30 passengers."
source.


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It is a nice little ship, but it clearly shows low cost was the main driving feature of the design. We still are unable to sell larger vessels in bigger numbers, more than 3500 tons, save for AORs.



I was expecting an Akıncı sale for some time, but TB3 was a surprise. With or without a flattop ship like an Indonesian Anadolu or Garibaldi, TB3's STOL design will help Indonesia project power over its island chains without the need for larger runways.
Desan has no design facilities, it is designed by SEFT Design & Engineering, also possible that SEFT backed by STM for design inputs and conceptualization and Desan is chosen for building spot, same as happening with Istanbul Shipyard for LMSB2.
 

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Both agreements emphasize the importance of technology transfer and strengthening national capacity as the foundation for building a self-reliant and sustainable defense industry. Roketsan will lead technology transfer in the field of missile systems, including intellectual property licensing, production expertise, and technical training.
I’m glad that they finally signed this deal that includes ToT as well.
I must admit though I couldn’t figure out what exactly the underlined part means.
Maybe @Lordimperator can further explain in a more clear English.
 

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Each set has 6 aircraft?,
60 set tb3 and 9 set akinci.
Indonesia has a land area of 1.9 million square kilometres.
But it has seas in between which has an area of 5.8 million square kilometres.
That is a total of nearly 8 million square kilometres to defend.
You will need a large fleet of aircrafts to patrol that area.
Beside that, you need to patrol the oceanic area around the lands. That is a huge surface area to be covered. Especially when you consider the fact that some of it in the north is contested by the Chinese too. A good number of LHDs with TB3s as well as land operated ones would be needed. 360 TB3s may just about do the business. Turkey has About 800thousand square kilometres land and has over 260 tb2 drones.

If you take Into consideration that the Majority of the TB3s will be manufactured in house under licence, the outlay of finances over a few years can be manageable.

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wow, 60 Tb3 and 9 Akinci

In the presentation made to Polish deputies by Polish Deputy Minister of Defense Czesław Mroczek, detailed information was given about the equipment of the Bayraktar TB2 UCAV systems to be imported from Turkey.Stating that they purchased 4 sets of TB2 SIHAs, each containing 6 SIHAs (24 in total), Mroczek presented details about the products and technical information to be included in each set.

According to Mroczek, in each set


  • 3 Baykar Mobile Ground Control Stations (Mobile YKİ)
  • 6 MX-15 EO/IR sensors
  • 2 SAR radars (for reconnaissance missions)
  • 6 IFF systems
  • There will be 3 mobile data terminals (for range extension purposes).


1 set of Bayraktar TB2 consisted 6 UAV, exported to Poland. Number of UAVs in a set can vary from countries to countries or requirements, but if it is indeed 6 TB3 in a set, that makes total of 360 TB3. It is an outrageous number, for even we dont have 360 total number of MALE or HALE as far as I know.

But considering the level of ToT, it seems total procurement should exceed just 60. Still no explanation from Baykar or Haluk Bayraktar but this could be very well the biggest export of UAVs after Saudis
 
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I’m glad that they finally signed this deal that includes ToT as well.
I must admit though I couldn’t figure out what exactly the underlined part means.
Maybe @Lordimperator can further explain in a more clear English.
There are some rumours, althou i cant cite the source that IDN will licensing/ locally made the 200mm rocket with roketsan assistance. I think Khan MLRS
With Republikorp newly built manufacture at Subang.
 

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There are some rumours, althou i cant cite the source that IDN will licensing/ locally made the 200mm rocket with roketsan assistance. I think Khan MLRS
With Republikorp newly built manufacture at Subang.
Roketsan produces a 122mm and 230mm rocket munition that can be fired from drones like Akinci and probably TB3.
Trg122 missile (122mm diameter) has a weight of 76kg and when fired from air should have a range of about 70-80km.
There is also a trg230 (230mm diameter) with a weight of 215kg and if fired from air can hit targets 150 km away with precision. As TB3s has a maximum capacity of 280kg, it may be just about capable to carry one Trg230. But should easily accommodate the trg122 missiles.
KHAN missile is a land launched twin canister solid fuelled rocket system like the above missiles. It is 600mm in diameter, 450kg explosive payload with a range of just under 300km. It can hit targets with pin point accuracy.
Also the expexting the bulk order for atmaca and siper missiles

Atmaca is a 890 kg weight anti ship missile powered by a solid fuel booster and a locally manufactured turbojet engine that can easily sink frigates with it’s 250kg warhead. It has a range in excess of 250km. It can hit all surface platforms with precision. It can be fired from land or sea platforms.
 
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Roketsan produces a 122mm and 230mm rocket munition that can be fired from drones like Akinci and probably TB3.
Trg122 missile (122mm diameter) has a weight of 76kg and when fired from air should have a range of about 70-80km.
There is also a trg230 (230mm diameter) with a weight of 215kg and if fired from air can hit targets 150 km away with precision.
KHAN missile is a land launched twin canister solid fuelled rocket system like the above missiles. It is 600mm in diameter with a range of just under 300km. It can hit targets with pin point accuracy.


Atmaca is a 890 kg weight anti ship missile powered by a solid fuel booster and a locally manufactured turbojet engine that can easily sink frigates with it’s 250kg warhead. It has a range in excess of 250km. It can hit all surface platforms with precision. It can be fired from land or sea platforms.
There is atmaca coastal version? Althou still subsonic, hopefully Atmaca won against the rumoured Brahmos and Yj 12 in our coastal competition.
 

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There is atmaca coastal version? Althou still subsonic, hopefully Atmaca won against the rumoured Brahmos and Yj 12 in our coastal competition.
There is. Turkiye already has test fired them in July 2022.
It has high degree of anti jam capability. It has proven to be able to hit targets under heavy GPS jamming. Can manoeuvre during flight to make it more difficult for CIWS. It is also super sea skimming. Therefore can only be detectable during last 25km .

Edit,
Kara Atmaca in previous YouTube has an extended range. I don’t know if we can sell that due to MTCR.
 

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Kara Atmaca in previous YouTube has an extended range. I don’t know if we can sell that due to MTCR.
Yes indeed. But just like Bora missile exported version name Khan, i hope it can be transformed to an export version and even renamed depending on demand.

BTW, defenceturk says 4 TB3 and Akıncı in a set. That makes 240 TB3 and 36 Akıncı.

 
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