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Well, true but opening embassy is huge step which signals dual diplomatic official relations

I guess, I mean are they ALL doing it at same time as some kind of statement? Or it's just one country among them?
Latter could just be coincidental....but also begs the question given size of Cyprus and the Turkic CARs for sure that had Moscow route "good enough" till now....past whatever the "honorary consulates" handle. Not too familiar with this stuff.

Last time I looked into it was weird way US does it with Taiwan, by basically never having an ambassador per se (after recognition switch to PRC), but a charge d'affairs (i.e Taiwan treated regionally). "Charge d'affairs" are who also take over (like a deputy) when ambassadors are recalled, reassigned or during replacement time etc.

Last bit of trivia I know (though might be wrong) is that embassy actually refers to the diplomat corps themselves within the country. The building itself is just the "chancellory" iirc. Same for consulates (when you open more than one embassy)
 

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Is there ANY problem in the world that you don't hold "islamism" as the responsible?

Your obsession is not healthy. Maybe consider getting some professional help?

To be fair its not like radical islamists don't day and night propagate that Turkiye should dive head first into war against Isreal for the collective losers of the middle east.

As for "Islamism" it is no doubts the greatest threat facing Muslims, the dangerous internal enemy mostly controlled by anglo-american and zionist entities. Where it targets and uses insecure minorities as their useful idiots to lead it within whichever host nation it effects.

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When it succeeds, the English the masters of the Islamic world reward them with personal dinners with the queens of england and membership into elite British aristocratic fraternal orders.

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The game of using the religion to fool the Turkish and Muslim people must come to an end. Islamism is the greatest tool used by the Kafir to undermine Muslim majority nations.

The way i see it, the only way the Turkish people can protect themselves from it, is to reclaim the religion. After all no other race fought and died to keep the faith alive like the Turk did. Its actually a great disgrace that the control of global islamic politics is in the hand of the west. A great disgrace that all her holy sites have come under direct or indirect occupation. Turks didn't fight for over a thousand years keeping the entire Muslim world safe, to simply cede sovereignty of the religion to those who have done everything to destroy it and her followers.

I would advise all Turks on here who are becoming sickened by "Islamism" because of the corrupt and dirty nature of its leaders, don't make the mistake of turning against the religion. This is what they want, since they can then turn round and claim that you hate Islam and Muslims and further entrench their grip on society. The only way to defeat these demons is to reclaim the religion and then use the religion to expose these traitors for the being slaves of the kaffir that they are, the real enemies of the people of the faith.

Because if we are learning anything, if we ignore the religion, it will be used against us instead of for us. Islam should have never become a tool of the enemy to use against the common Muslim.
 

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Is there ANY problem in the world that you don't hold "islamism" as the reason?

Your obsession is not healthy. Maybe consider getting professional help?
Maybe you should do some research

 

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To be fair its not like radical islamists don't day and night propagate that Turkiye should dive head first into war against Isreal for the collective losers of the middle east.

As for "Islamism" it is no doubts the greatest threat facing Muslims, the dangerous internal enemy mostly controlled by anglo-american and zionist entities. Where it targets and uses insecure minorities as their useful idiots to lead it within whichever host nation it effects.

Fetullahgulen.png


When it succeeds, the English the masters of the Islamic world reward them with personal dinners with the queens of england and membership into elite British aristocratic fraternal orders.

london-england-queen-elizabeth-ii-and-her-husband-prince-philip-duke-of-edinburgh-pose-for-a.jpg


The game of using the religion to fool the Turkish and Muslim people must come to an end. Islamism is the greatest tool used by the Kafir to undermine Muslim majority nations.

The way i see it, the only way the Turkish people can protect themselves from it, is to reclaim the religion. After all no other race fought and died to keep the faith alive like the Turk did. Its actually a great disgrace that the control of global islamic politics is in the hand of the west. A great disgrace that all her holy sites have come under direct or indirect occupation. Turks didn't fight for over a thousand years keeping the entire Muslim world safe, to simply cede sovereignty of the religion to those who have done everything to destroy it and her followers.

I would advise all Turks on here who are becoming sickened by "Islamism" because of the corrupt and dirty nature of its leaders, don't make the mistake of turning against the religion. This is what they want, since they can then turn round and claim that you hate Islam and Muslims and further entrench their grip on society. The only way to defeat these demons is to reclaim the religion and then use the religion to expose these traitors for the being slaves of the kaffir that they are, the real enemies of the people of the faith.

Because if we are learning anything, if we ignore the religion, it will be used against us instead of for us. Islam should have never become a tool of the enemy to use against the common Muslim.
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What is this "Union of Muslim Scholars"? What kind of scholars are these? If "scholars" call for jihad, what are a billion uneducated Muslims to do? How do they know who pays these scholars (or "scholars")? Isn't the call to jihad (fatwa!) enough? The local imam will deliver it to them during Friday prayers.
And many will fall into this trap


The headquarters of this organization are not in Kabul, not in Khartoum, not in Yemen, as one might expect, but (in Pennsylvania... oops. crossed out) in Dublin.
All this is very sad :(
 

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I think and believe that. Being uneducated and the lack of basic core knowledge of Islam in Schools are the most important reason for this kind of backward thinking. All of those in that photo are the reason for how inept and narrowminded most muslim muhmins are.

You need to teach and indoctrinate the core value and knowledge to all students from very early, so they know than anything beyond those core values are made up by power hungry shi.theads.
 

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Good parts of Islam:

Giving to the poor and unfortunate.
Encouraging pursuit of knowledge (even jihadis tend to have skilled engineers and scientists in their ranks at times).
Encouraging cleanliness.
Every man gets many wom...ehm, I mean, one woman for every man. Yep. Never said otherwise.

Bad parts of Islam:

Extreme touchiness about parts of the faith being criticized.
Too many radicals encouraging violence as a solution.
Borderline deification of ordinary men when the core pillar of Islam is that God is the highest and the only one whom believers should look up to and follow.
Excess modest...actually might not be a bad thing when I see some of the stuff that moms are letting their daughters wear, seriously.
 

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I guess, I mean are they ALL doing it at same time as some kind of statement? Or it's just one country among them?
Latter could just be coincidental....but also begs the question given size of Cyprus and the Turkic CARs for sure that had Moscow route "good enough" till now....past whatever the "honorary consulates" handle. Not too familiar with this stuff.

Last time I looked into it was weird way US does it with Taiwan, by basically never having an ambassador per se (after recognition switch to PRC), but a charge d'affairs (i.e Taiwan treated regionally). "Charge d'affairs" are who also take over (like a deputy) when ambassadors are recalled, reassigned or during replacement time etc.

Last bit of trivia I know (though might be wrong) is that embassy actually refers to the diplomat corps themselves within the country. The building itself is just the "chancellory" iirc. Same for consulates (when you open more than one embassy)
Not all three at the same time, in a ceremonial fashion of course but days apart because that would be salt on the wound.
Like you said, bilateral relations can easily be established between any country with “creative” diplomatic titles or even under good offices of a third country if the political climate wouldn’t allow it.
However, what bothers most Turkish members is that this was an unexpected move by their brethren and they see it as a blow to Turkish foreign policy and also take it as an insult.
Like I said, it's almost officially recognizing Southern Cyprus as the sole representative of the island thus sending the Republic of Northern Cyprus to the trash bin.

An embassy is really on a different level. It can initiate any kind of diplomatic mission, act, even sign treaties which bind its country whereas consulates deal with consular stuff with limited diplomatic missions.

Attaché cadres are the suspicious ones though. During the Cold War Soviet embassies were filled with agricultural attaches who were KGB guys while CIA guys served as trade attaches in American embassies 😈
 

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Attaché cadres are the suspicious ones though. During the Cold War Soviet embassies were filled with agricultural attaches who were KGB guys while CIA guys served as trade attaches in American embassies 😈

Uh oh....sounds like a ripley rabbit hole.

agricultural and trade attaches, gotta add those air quotes " ".....

...." " lasers on " " sharks - dr evil

Ok thats enough "jersey slide" driving :D, gonna go back to proper designated lanes and turns.
 

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Turkic union is a waste off time, so we are occupiers in Cyprus. What kind benifit is it going to give us? :D

Turkish goverment should stop wasting billions to Turkic countries, people who are taking this lightly should stop writing bs about it.

 

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Netanyahu is pushing Trump to bring US over to a reconciliatory role in Turkey/Israel spat.


-We don't want Syria being used by anyone including Turkey as a base for attacking Israel

-We don't want a conflict with Turkey in Syria

-Turkey has a good relationship with President Trump

-We have discussed with Turkey how we can avoid this conflict

-I think there is no better mediator than the US president.

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Pretty diplomatic wording from him, even mentioning the used to be good "neighborly" relations. I'm pretty sure government's most fervent supporters will again be sad in the end by how Erdoğan positions the country, but we'll survive this decade as well.
 
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I was wondering why Hakan Fidan came with we do not want conflict with Israel. Kudos to the master brain.....

Good thing we did not lure to the clickbait....
 

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Netanyahu is pushing Trump to bring US over to a reconciliatory role in Turkey/Israel spat.


-We don't want Syria being used by anyone including Turkey as a base for attacking Israel

-We don't want a conflict with Turkey in Syria

-Turkey has a good relationship with President Trump

-We have discussed with Turkey how we can avoid this conflict

-I think there is no better mediator than the US president.

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Pretty diplomatic wording from him, even mentioning the used to be good "neighborly" relations. I'm pretty sure government's most fervent supporters will again be sad in the end by how Erdoğan positions the country, but we'll survive this decade as well.
Well, that was unexpected. By the looks of things, Netanyahu quite literally left empty handed.

 

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I wonder if anyone has shown Trump how much economic support US is giving to Israel and how it's being used.

I mean if anyone showed Trump how much Israel is importing from US vs. how much they are exporting, (9 billion import/ 20 billion export) I think Donald would smack him with some tariffs. Add to that how money US tax payers are sending to israels armed forces aprox 3-4 billion annually.

Of course this investment is offset by jewish /israeli investment to US creating jobs of sorts.
 

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I remember when we used to hear reports about how obama and erdogan used to talk on the phone daily, that they were great friends. That erdogan was the guy obama spoke to most on the phone.

Then when the Turks wanted to move on Syria they released this image of obama while on the phone to erdogan.

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So the game of fooling erdogan in order to buy time and years to complete their plans in the middle east hasnt changed. Like i keep saying pay no attention to what these demons say, only what they do. Isreal is bombing the shit out of Syria while occupying her lands, making threats towards the Turks, while the american bases are still protecting the PKK in the north east.

With the way the zionists are behaving in syria, we have to be ready for a complete and total war against these mad fuckers. We desperately need nuclear capabilities, because these zionists are as sick as they come, the most despicable bastards you will find on earth. The only people who i could say behave similar to them are the Russians as they are invading Ukraine. Always the victim, while constantly provoking trouble and causing endless murders.

The situation in the long run is life and death, we cannot afford for anymore "I was deceived" moments.
 

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Türkiye and Israel began negotiations in Baku.

"The first technical talks between Turkey and Israel on the establishment of a de-escalation mechanism to prevent unwanted incidents in Syria were held in Azerbaijan, sources in the Turkish Ministry of National Defense told CNN Türk"




On April 9, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev said that Baku acted as a mediator in the first reconciliation between Turkey and Israel: "During the first crisis, we played an active role in bringing the positions of these two countries closer together."

The head of state said that Azerbaijan is an ally of Turkey, but also maintains friendly relations with Israel: "This mutual friendship has manifested itself in various difficult situations over the years. Therefore, any misunderstanding between these two countries worries us," the Azerbaijani publication Haqqin аz reported


 
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Türkiye and Israel began negotiations in Baku.

"The first technical talks between Turkey and Israel on the establishment of a de-escalation mechanism to prevent unwanted incidents in Syria were held in Azerbaijan, sources in the Turkish Ministry of National Defense told CNN Türk"




On April 9, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev said that Baku acted as a mediator in the first reconciliation between Turkey and Israel: "During the first crisis, we played an active role in bringing the positions of these two countries closer together."

The head of state said that Azerbaijan is an ally of Turkey, but also maintains friendly relations with Israel: "This mutual friendship has manifested itself in various difficult situations over the years. Therefore, any misunderstanding between these two countries worries us," the Azerbaijani publication Haqqin аz reported


Useless tbh
 

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Trump will force Israel and Turkiye into a deal that will favor Israel, but it won't be a complete disaster for Turkiye. Trump will use Turkiye to keep Israel's genocidal policies in check because when it comes to shove, Israel doesn't care and does whatever it wants. It doesn't matter how many times the US warns Israel. The outcome is the same. The US agrees Israel policy to annex rest of the Palestine but is pissed off how Israel approaches it. It is fueling anti-American sentiments in the age of trade wars and great power competition. Erdogan can't reject anything that comes from Trump. Trump holds all the cards against Erdogan. If Erdogan pisses of Trump he won't last long in the current Turkish political climate. He is losing with a big margin according to all polls even polls from pro-AKP polling companies. Israel wants Syria as a fractured loose federation in the short to middle term. In the long term, Israel wants to see an independent YPG zone that has a land border with Israel either directly or through Israel-friendly buffer zones. They will use this proxy entity to keep Turkiye occupied. Turkiye wants a strong central government in Syria.
 

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BTW, i believe ( i wrote i believe because there is no way to show an "official" source for that) Trump will dump Palestinian refugees on us. Erdogan will use this for political gains to consolidate his base. Those that accept Palestinian refugees and those that don't accept them. Erdogan will try to benefit from that to turn things in his favor because he is losing really bad.

One of the reasons I believe Ümit Özat is jailed and the other one is renewed "peace process".
 
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