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I know there's some obvious trolls here, but you guys seem more genuine and reasonable. Aren't you a little concerned with the path that Erdoğan is going down? The dictatorial stuff is one thing, but now he's offering autonomy. This is a very dangerous path. This is beyond simple politics and identity, secular vs conservative, etc. This is getting into dangerous territory for us all.
These are imaginary things. You were not as afraid of the opposition entering into a joint election with the PKK as you were of the state's agreement with the PKK. You did not talk about the PKK members who were hired in the municipalities that were shared with the "city consensus" but who drew their salaries without going to work. Do you know what we call them? "ATM rats"

While you were talking about the future of autonomy;

- The state did not hesitate to do what was necessary for the appointment of trustees to the municipalities that the PKK won in the elections. It used every opportunity to make this possible.

- Former Esenyurt Mayor Ahmet Özer, who was brought to power with the HDP-CHP partnership within the scope of the city consensus, was brought forward by the PKK to contribute to autonomy.

Up until now, the fight against the PKK has been led by Erdoğan. However, just as you ignored the CHP, which organized street demonstrations for the PKK during those trench operations, you are ignoring the "urban consensus" today.

In other words, I think you are distorting the events without knowing or understanding them.

While Ekrem İmamoğlu was elected with the votes of the PKK party, maybe you were happy that Ekrem won the election, right?
 

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news is bit old but very important general engin alan the man who arrested öcalan and brought him back to turkey and national hero and victim of ergenekon and bayyoz of erdogan declared his opposition on bahçeli's plan on releasing öcalan
 

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  • FETÖ and PKK supporters are in the government
According to you at that time, the July 15 coup should have been successful. But I have never seen fetullah gülen set foot in this country as a head of state.

And somehow, trustees were appointed to all municipalities that the PKK won in the eastern provinces without exception since 2016. According to you, a Kurdistan should have been declared in the eastern provinces long ago. And somehow, after July 15, with the Euphrates Shield operation, the PKK's dream of a Kurdish state with a coast on the Mediterranean evaporated

Oh man, either you are living in a different parallel universe or aliens have abducted you and filled your brain with this nonsense

Unfortunately, I cannot explain this in any other way.
 

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According to you at that time, the July 15 coup should have been successful. But I have never seen fetullah gülen set foot in this country as a head of state.
You can look up the history of many AKP higher ups, a lot of them were fans of Gülen, a lot of them supported the trials, they only picked a side when the "rift" happened. These people haven't been touched, the fact that they were literal Gülenists has been completely ignored. Are you okay with this? Are they above the law?




And somehow, trustees were appointed to all municipalities that the PKK won in the eastern provinces without exception since 2016. According to you, a Kurdistan should have been declared in the eastern provinces long ago. And somehow, after July 15, with the Euphrates Shield operation, the PKK's dream of a Kurdish state with a coast on the Mediterranean evaporated
Why do you think everyone is so mad about recent statements? We sacrificed a lot to fight PKK. Now we're giving them the southeast on a golden platter. Back in 2016-2020, Erdoğan used nationalist rhetoric to gain support. This has been thrown out the window as it can no longer get him votes and clashes with his pro-refugee stance.

He'll fast track citizenship for all refugees, appease Kurds with autonomy and try to convince his supporters that this will somehow lead to a stronger Türkiye


You must be out if your mind if you support this nonsense.
 

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You can look up the history of many AKP higher ups, a lot of them were fans of Gülen, a lot of them supported the trials, they only picked a side when the "rift" happened. These people haven't been touched, the fact that they were literal Gülenists has been completely ignored. Are you okay with this? Are they above the law?
After FETÖ was declared a terrorist organization, many political parties defended FETÖ. Some CHP members took part in the operations carried out on MIT trucks. Again, many politicians went to the Samanyolu TV, which was closed after July 15, and demonstrated their support before the coup attempt. So, according to you, Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu should also be tried for being a FETÖ member, right?
Why do you think everyone is so mad about recent statements? We sacrificed a lot to fight PKK. Now we're giving them the southeast on a golden platter. Back in 2016-2020, Erdoğan used nationalist rhetoric to gain support. This has been thrown out the window as it can no longer get him votes and clashes with his pro-refugee stance.

He'll fast track citizenship for all refugees, appease Kurds with autonomy and try to convince his supporters that this will somehow lead to a stronger Türkiye


You must be out if your mind if you support this nonsense.
Is that why Erdogan overthrew the Assad regime? Is that why there is talk that Syrian businessmen in the Gaziantep organized industry will sell their factories and return to Syria?
 

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  • The defence industry was restarted and became more organized in the 80s
  • By the 90s, Türkiye was building Kobra APCs, MLRS, ballistic missiles and numerous other weapon systems, steadily moving towards more indigenous parts and designs
When Erdoğan issues a budget from the parliament right now, a budget of 40 billion dollars is allocated for the defense industry.

If they had said when the CHP came to power (just like the money that should have been allocated for the earthquake budget and urban transformation in Istanbul was spent on advertising agencies) that the Turkish economy was very weak and that we did not have money to allocate for armament. And if they had announced that they would reduce the defense industry budget to 15 billion dollars, then there would be no Tf-2000 project, no MİLDEN, no KAAN national combat aircraft. All critical projects would either end or turn into birds. You would have realized that your rebellions were worthless after it was too late.

Turkey kept the defense industry on its feet with the budget Erdoğan allocated. And no, this issue is not a party-level issue. I am sure that the terrorist sympathizers who fill even the municipalities with ATM rats could also fill the defense companies with irrelevant fake engineers.
 

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Divide and Conquer...

you see when it comes to the "western" world its all about uniting and forming bigger and larger blocs in which they can leverage their collective power against their enemies. A good example is the EU and how its used against Turkiye in all her geopolitical issues. The westerners had no business in cyprus, today they collectively isolate the Cypriot Turks and oppress the victims of an attempted genocide.

But when it comes to the "Muslim world" he is to be divided, he is not allowed to expand and grow, to unite, his nations must constantly be divided into many pieces. Iraq, Libya, their attempts on Syria are just recent examples of this game.

Even when it comes to war you see this face, when the Muslim is winning from war the western world wants an immediate ceasefire, but when he's being destroyed by war its allowed to drag on for decades.
 

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you see when it comes to the "western" world its all about uniting and forming bigger and larger blocs in which they can leverage their collective power against their enemies. A good example is the EU and how its used against Turkiye in all her geopolitical issues. The westerners had no business in cyprus, today they collectively isolate the Cypriot Turks and oppress the victims of an attempted genocide.

But when it comes to the "Muslim world" he is to be divided, he is not allowed to expand and grow, to unite, his nations must constantly be divided into many pieces. Iraq, Libya, their attempts on Syria are just recent examples of this game.

Even when it comes to war you see this face, when the Muslim is winning from war the western world wants an immediate ceasefire, but when he's being destroyed by war its allowed to drag on for decades.
At the end of the day all of this divide works because people are simply retarded. Motherfuckers treat politicans like football clubs... Every year it's the same old shit UNTIL you reach the point of no return and then your Country is fucked and you end up like the palestinians...
 

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So, according to you, Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu should also be tried for being a FETÖ member, right?
He he fucking should, along with hundreds of other politicians who've openly supported Gülen, for example Mustafa Varank. You know who shouldn't? Umit Özdağ. Tell me again why he's in Jail?

Is that why Erdogan overthrew the Assad regime? Is that why there is talk that Syrian businessmen in the Gaziantep organized industry will sell their factories and return to Syria?

The vast majority of Syrians are staying


When Erdoğan issues a budget from the parliament right now, a budget of 40 billion dollars is allocated for the defense industry.

If they had said when the CHP came to power (just like the money that should have been allocated for the earthquake budget and urban transformation in Istanbul was spent on advertising agencies) that the Turkish economy was very weak and that we did not have money to allocate for armament. And if they had announced that they would reduce the defense industry budget to 15 billion dollars, then there would be no Tf-2000 project, no MİLDEN, no KAAN national combat aircraft. All critical projects would either end or turn into birds. You would have realized that your rebellions were worthless after it was too late.

Turkey kept the defense industry on its feet with the budget Erdoğan allocated. And no, this issue is not a party-level issue. I am sure that the terrorist sympathizers who fill even the municipalities with ATM rats could also fill the defense companies with irrelevant fake engineers.
This idea that CHP would jeopardize the defence industry is just a bunch of BS made up by AKP propagandists. Some Kurdish-orgin member of CHP may have said something negative about the defence industry, blah, blah blah. You can't come to any conclusions until they come to power. There's no doubt we would see an economic boom with a change in leadership. Which means more money allocated to the defence industry.
 

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At the end of the day all of this divide works because people are simply retarded. Motherfuckers treat politicans like football clubs... Every year it's the same old shit UNTIL you reach the point of no return and then your Country is fucked and you end up like the palestinians...
and it was always TSK who return the country back to normal in the last minute . everything went shit when TSK were gone ! !!!
 

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Hahahaha Erdogan said Seljuk and Ottoman victories.

Are ortak zafers between Turks, Arabs and Kurds.

Lmaooooooo

This man is nuts.
 

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Yo why didn't anyone tell me the news that Akp dissolved itself?
erdoğan has a kurdish businessman friend with the nick name of palace's businessman even today the still walk's in erdogan's palace his name is İhsan Arslan and one of the founders of AKP ! his daughter married the guy that today is governing the fetö's USA branch her name is ayşe arsalan and guess who was the witness in the wedding ?? yup it was none other then RTE. she is still married to the guy who runs Fetö USA branch and her dad still close friend of erdogan and walks in his palace !
 

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It's mostly about ethnic resentment of the non-Turk elements within that party; as for MHP they're the Gladio so I expect nothing else from them. There are dozens of proclamations about Turkish oppression of Kurds, Armenians, Greeks, etc. by most of the prominent members of Ak party (incidentally mostly non-Turks), esp. before they had to get into the nationalist clothing after losing in 2015 and the infighting of 2016 to garner enough votes again after their first experiment in dismantling the republic backfired electorally.

The Turkish part of their base (which is the lower educated part of ethnic Turks in this country) doesn't understand that their imperial nostalgia for a greater Turkey as in the days of Ottoman empire's height and the religious identity of that empire, can easily be abused by propagandists to break apart the nation-state as this is not the era of empires and national identities are at the heart of national interest for all modern nation-states; they cannot imagine that, in this era of nation-states, any con-federalism which may bring a greater geography under Turkish dominion (a far-fetched fantasy but it does inform their political outlook in ignoring evident corruption and contradictory actions) will only open up the country to further breaking up down the line in the future along old and new ethnic lines.

The reason such a project as EU has been possible for the past 30 years gives some people delusions about possibility of such projects in the age of nation-states. That project has only been possible due to the highest levels of welfare ever achieved in human history; the second that prosperity is in jeopardy (cf. Brexit as a minor deviation) all those nation-states will be at each-other's throats for the slightest of historical grievances (of which they have plenty).

In empires which united various ethnic groups and even nations under the auspices of the imperial family, lack of modern conceptions of nationhood, lack of widespread public education to ingrain national identity, and lack of a bourgeois class blocked any other potential allegiances competing with the allegiance to the empire. Today religion, imperial ambitions, even pan-ethnic conceptions have shown to be incapable of blocking divergence of allegiances in cases of federations and such.

Any double or triple identity opens the floodgates of dual allegiances and dual loyalty leading to inevitable schisms. Sunni Arabs of the same madhab, and even mostly the same tribes (Qahtani and Adnani tribes) in the gulf region are at each other's throats even with new-found prosperity and only now are starting to learn to get along somewhat as any divergence of interests should be dealt with much lower level of emergency as they all have free oil money and they jeopardize it when they fight. But as soon as a crisis rears its head they will be back at each other's throats again. Today's religious brothers are tomorrow's 'Syrian Arabs' vs 'Kurdish nation' vs Turkish nation free for all; demanding overdue interests and nationhood ambitions once the idyllic landscape of religious or geographic unity is history due to a crisis.

Our republic's biggest failure was the fact that it couldn't bring its nation-building to its eastern-most parts, due to capitulations, the two worst wars in history and the modern world's worst economic depression right in between. We should have done it quickly after the second world war like Italy, but due to many factors we failed. Instead of picking up where we left, and gradually achieve the nation-building in four corners of our country through the secular educational system and energized cultural institutions in the age of digital possibilities and credit expansion during the aughts, this admin has dismantled what was left of the nation-building ethos and has replaced it with posturing about imperial nostalgia and religious unitarian approaches against uniqueness of the nation (as evident by recent remarks about Malazgirt, etc.) further weakening national identity.


I'm afraid even a change of admin to chp will not be able to reverse the damage as that would require revolutionary spirit and mobilization to erect the second republic, not piecemeal temporary solutions. Such mobilization I don't see anywhere else either, just bravado and nationalist populism from mhp residues, which I don't trust the intentions and intellect of (and some eurasianist intelligence operations). Nobody is writing about it, there's no discussion, a very low social dynamism exists in this regard as the existential threat to the nation-state is not a tangible one, but it's no less real. Pamphlets, tracts, lectures and discussions should have been all flying in the air of public discourse but alas ... crickets.

Such lack of social dynamism has nothing to do with economic situation btw as one of my friends was trying to justify; highest levels of social dynamism have been achieved by nations in crisis, through war and famine. So that's not an excuse I'm willing to entertain. There should have been manifestos and white books by political parties about how the republic's judiciary and educational agenda has been eroded and what their proposals are for reversing the damage but I haven't seen any. Zero intelligentsia activity, and this is mostly a function of low levels of education and intelligence among the electorate gravitating towards populist one-liner parties and intelligentsia and those parties are always allergic to each other.
 
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The bill submitted to the Turkish Grand National Assembly by the AK Party:
• The President may decide to dismiss officers with the rank of lieutenant colonel, as deemed appropriate.
they are afired they know army is restless thats why they show such high respond to the teğmenler they talks were done long time ago with PKK they just showing it now people in the army knew it hence why erdogan said to whom are you drawing your swords ?? people in the army knew it before we do
 

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Reminds me to the period of the 1. Balkan War, neglecting the Navy, purging the Ottoman Army and replacing capable officers with loyal tarikat buttbois, result Rumeli lost, Islands lost...
 

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