Live Conflict Iran-Israel Conflict (2025)

[GoatsMilk]

That is what i meant if Iran doesn't act know it will disintegrate. Just assume you have a bully problem, and he is the real deal, double your size etc. If you got into a fight, you will likely get a beating. You can't just stand down and talk your way at some point if he comes at you have to fight back even you know you will get a beating. Try to get a clean hit, give him a black eye or bloody nose, and you will see he will be less likely to bully you, even if you lose that fight.

Iran needs to do that now. Iran is losing its social cohesion and state structure. This will be the end of Iran, not Israeli strikes. This is the time to show spine for Iran. The disintegration of Iran will be a disaster for Turkiye, but it will be far worse for Europe.

I said a while back on here concerning syria and in general the wider middle east region. I said something along the lines that if Turkiye cannot keep Syria in one piece then she must have contingency to make sure she can take a piece for herself. Not out imperialist ambitions but out of survival, because we all know the anglo-american agenda for the region. If Iran is to disintegrate the regions with Azerbaijani people must unite with the north. It is what it is. We got a hundred year struggle ahead of us. The zionist cancer is only growing in the region and its real power from the anglo-american world has big plans for the region.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Türkiye needs to prepare to enter Iran, not only to stabilize the situation if it deteriorates but also to ensure that it doesn't get divided according to western or Israel plans.

They'll draw a Kurdistan on the map but likely won't even consider the 30 million Azerbaijanis.

Yep this will be their first port of call, the rest of the nation will be dragged into a civil war as witnessed in sryia. The PKK regions were protected by both the americans and russians while the rest of the country tore itself apart.

Azerbaijan must also beware that the zionists will not want to see the Azerbaijani people of Iran unite with their people in Azerbaijan proper.

 

[Relic]

One can only hope that Iran can get it's shit together enough to mount a credible counter attack, that achieves reasonable damage, on Israel. Otherwise, their credibility will be entirely shot. After they looked feckless last time around, anything short or a saturation attack that achieves something of relevance, or a sophisticated operation the likes of the Israeli pager attack or the recent Ukrainian drones attack, will find them being heavily humbled and embarrassed internationally.

 

[Ahlatshah]

That is what i meant if Iran doesn't act know it will disintegrate. Just assume you have a bully problem, and he is the real deal, double your size etc. If you got into a fight, you will likely get a beating. You can't just stand down and talk your way at some point if he comes at you have to fight back even you know you will get a beating. Try to get a clean hit, give him a black eye or bloody nose, and you will see he will be less likely to bully you, even if you lose that fight.

Iran needs to do that now. Iran is losing its social cohesion and state structure. This will be the end of Iran, not Israeli strikes. This is the time to show spine for Iran. The disintegration of Iran will be a disaster for Turkiye, but it will be far worse for Europe.

No and no, with all due respect. Iran will not disintegrate. Iran has pathetic military, we all know that. But one should remember that People of Iran has some unity, it may be argued more united than us.

Yes, they have a lot different branches but their unity based on secterianism and religious one, not nationalistic. This is a deep topic regarding sociology. I will not get into that but what you say is the same presumption of Saddam and others 45 years ago.

Changing regime, may be, but I do not believe it is going to happen under Israeli attack, either.

 

[Relic]

The other thing that is incredibly obvious is that Iran's "allies" are all talk and largely allergic to meaningful action. In the Realpolitik word that we live in, nobody is rushing to Iran's aid or defense, regardless of how connected they are ethically, morally, religiously, etc.

It's time like these when you see who has friends and allies, and who is simply "all talk".

 

[GoatsMilk]

No and no, with all due respect. Iran will not disintegrate. Iran has pathetic military, we all know that. But one should remember that People of Iran has some unity, it may be argued more united than us.

Yes, they have a lot different brances but their unity based on secterianism and religious one, not nationalistic. This is a deep topic regarding sociology. I will not get into that but what you say is the same presumption of Saddam and others 45 years ago.

Changing regime, may be, but I do not believe it is going to happen under Israeli attack, either.

Theocracy has rotted that nation from within completely.

 

[GoatsMilk]

worth keeping in mind that the kurds have been used as a weapon against the Turkic peoples in the wider region by the so called "islamic republic".

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1903454919656407118

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

The other thing that is incredibly obvious is that Iran's "allies" are all talk and largely allergic to meaningful action. In the Realpolitik word that we live in, nobody is rushing to Iran's aid or defense, regardless of how connected they are ethically, morally, religiously, etc.

It's time like these when you see who has friends and allies, and who is simply "all talk".

Which countries do you see as irans allies?

 

[TheInsider]

No and no, with all due respect. Iran will not disintegrate. Iran has pathetic military, we all know that. But one should remember that People of Iran has some unity, it may be argued more united than us.

Yes, they have a lot different branches but their unity based on secterianism and religious one, not nationalistic. This is a deep topic regarding sociology. I will not get into that but what you say is the same presumption of Saddam and others 45 years ago.

Changing regime, may be, but I do not believe it is going to happen under Israeli attack, either.

No, Iran has an enormous secular youth that is on the brink of boiling point, and they have no love for the theocratic regime.

 

[Ahlatshah]

Theocracy has rotted that nation from within completely.

They have never been our friends, ever.

Lets be honest, if Israel really prevents them getting nukes, it will be good for us. In the end they will likely throw those nukes to us before Israel.

But frankly, one the most ancient people on earth, very deep culture, highly educated people who are good at science and arts, extremely rich natural resources and with unlimited potential; these mullahs turned Persians into poor, beaten and disrespected nation.

 

[GoatsMilk]

They have never been our friends, ever.

Lets be honest, if Israel really prevents them getting nukes, it will be good for us. In the end they will likely throw those nukes to us before Israel.

But frankly, one the most ancient people on earth, very deep culture, highly educated people who good at science and arts, extremely rich natural resources and with unlimited potential, these mullahs turned Persians into poor, beated and unrespected nation

take their oil and gas away and their probably one of the poorest nations on earth.

 

[Ahlatshah]

No, Iran has an enormous secular youth that is on the brink of boiling point, and they have no love for the theocratic regime.

Certainly agree that. They want change, but getting attacked by your biggest enemy and disintegration are different things.

May be regime may change after the war. But now, whoever attempts that, will be seen as "the man of Israel or USA"

 

[GoatsMilk]

Fuck them and their history, they're the enemy. Stop showing weakness towards them or any other enemy... Those 2 having a war is good as long as our clowns don't take them in.

bingo, both are geopolitical enemies. arguably isreal is the greater threat moving forward but neither are our friends. As for the Iranians its hilarious in seeing how quickly their defeatist mindset sinks in. decades of big talk but the moment they actually get slapped all of them are quick to throw the towel in.

The palestinians have had the equivalent of multiple atom bombs being dropped on them over the past year and their still fighting strong.

 

[TheInsider]

Here we go. Wanted dead infographic of Israel. At some point, I expect Israel to start killing the religious curia and the supreme leader of the regime to create chaos.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Here we go. Wanted dead infographic of Israel. At some point, I expect Israel to start killing the religious curia and the supreme leader of the regime to create chaos.

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I always suspected that yassar arafat was compromised, everyone around him was being assassinated except for him. I suspect a similar thing is taking place in Iran with the supreme leader.

 

[Relic]

Which countries do you see as irans allies?

Russia, Lebanon (Hezbollah), Iraq, Yemen (Houthis). They're also friendly with the likes of China. The list continues to grow if we talk about countries that have serious opposition to Israel's actions in the region, but won't dare get involved with the conflict for a variety of reasons.

 

[Relic]

Seeing reports that the following important figures have been confirmed killed in strikes.

Major General Hossein Salami, Head of the IRGC

Major General Gholam Ali Rashid, Commander of Iran's Armed Forces Central Headquarters

Dr. Mohammad Mehdi Tehranchi and Dr. Fereydoon Abassi-Davani, two important nuclear scientists

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1933359700709409102

Iran's Revolutionary Guards chief Hossein Salami, two nuclear scientists killed in Israeli attack

Israeli forces struck Iran, resulting in the death of Revolutionary Guards chief Hossein Salami. Two nuclear scientists, Fereydoun Abbasi-Davani and Mohammad Mehdi Tehranchi, also died in the attack. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu confirmed the strike on Iran's nuclear facility. Explosions...

m.economictimes.com

 

[Jackdaws]

What’s the logic of attacking Iran just when the Americans and Iran were engaging?

 

[Relic]

What’s the logic of attacking Iran just when the Americans and Iran were engaging?

Israel does not want peace between Iran and USA. They want U.S. (and regional) help in defeating Iran and gaining regional supremacy of sorts.

 

[Ahlatshah]

Iran has not said this action is an act of war so far. They are just talking about "response".

Interesting.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-plans-give-harsh-response-israeli-attack-iranian-security-source-reuters-2025-06-13/