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[Yasar_TR]

None of those things can be carried by TB3 under its wings. Çakır and UAV-230 weigh almost as much as the entire payload capacity of TB3. And I don't think Orka is any lighter than 200 kg as well.

Bro, check my post in previous page #13462
Either 1 CAKIR or 1 ORKA can be carried by TB3 individually.
Important thing is getting them integrated on to the UCAV and being able to take off with them. Also being able to land with them if we dont want to waste the munitions by dropping them in to the sea.

TB3 has a max payload capacity of 280kg.

Bayraktar <br> TB3

The Bayraktar TB3 UCAV is an indigenous armed unmanned aerial system currently under development by Baykar, capable of autonomously taking off and lan

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[boredaf]

Bro, check my post in previous page #13462
Either 1 CAKIR or 1 ORKA can be carried by TB3 individually.
Important thing is getting them integrated on to the UCAV and being able to take off with them. Also being able to land with them if we dont want to waste the munitions by dropping them in to the sea.

TB3 has a max payload capacity of 280kg.

Bayraktar <br> TB3

The Bayraktar TB3 UCAV is an indigenous armed unmanned aerial system currently under development by Baykar, capable of autonomously taking off and lan

baykartech.com

I know its max payload, but that is the sum total of what all of its hard points can carry. It has, what, 6 hard points? I doubt they can carry that much weight in one of them. And, it doesn't have any room under its body to carry anything, not to mention it has to take off from a ski jump.

 

[TheInsider]

Bro, check my post in previous page #13462
Either 1 CAKIR or 1 ORKA can be carried by TB3 individually.
Important thing is getting them integrated on to the UCAV and being able to take off with them. Also being able to land with them if we dont want to waste the munitions by dropping them in to the sea.

TB3 has a max payload capacity of 280kg.

Bayraktar <br> TB3

The Bayraktar TB3 UCAV is an indigenous armed unmanned aerial system currently under development by Baykar, capable of autonomously taking off and lan

baykartech.com

Can TB3 handle the asymmetrical load, though? Can a single pylon handle the weight of a Çakır? TB3 has no central pylon to mount ammunition.

 

[Zafer]

They can always modify the TB3 to make it work for new purposes as long as the modification does not change its major characteristics by a big margin. TEI is making the higher power engines based on the same original engine block geometry and to fit in the same nacelle space so you can replace the PD170 engine with PD180 or the PD222 or the hinted PD300 in the future. The engine boost alone can increase the flyer's lift capacity by increasing its speed. You can also increase the wing area if you need to add more lifting capacity without increasing speed much. The underbelly central position can be fitted with hardpoints to carry the load. The release of the load will not change the center of gravity and knock the flyer off balance as the load is already in the center position. So yes, if there is a need there is a way.

 

[TheInsider]

Even if TB3 can handle the asymmetrical load, I doubt any of the 6 hardpoints can carry a missile as heavy as Çakır. It is like all of the TB3 payload limit concentrated in a single hardpoint. It is not a matter of engine power. It is related to structure, balance, and aerodynamics.

 

[Sanchez]

Even if TB3 can handle the asymmetrical load, I doubt any of the 6 hardpoints can carry a missile as heavy as Çakır. It is like all of the TB3 payload limit concentrated in a single hardpoint. It is not a matter of engine power. It is related to structure, balance, and aerodynamics.

It would also need a larger, sturdier launcher. That's up to Baykar to study. FLIR could also be removed for such missions, don't need it to chase subs.

Also being able to land with them if we dont want to waste the munitions by dropping them in to the sea.

This is probably the hardest part of this problem structural wise.

 

[boredaf]

It would also need a larger, sturdier launcher. That's up to Baykar to study. FLIR could also be removed for such missions, don't need it to chase subs.



This is probably the hardest part of this problem structural wise.

UAV-122 would be a far more realistic option for TB3, weighs just 75 kgs, so 2 of them shouldn't be a problem for hard points and maybe it can carry 4 if/when it gets a more powerful engine and its range was about 70 km iirc.

 

[Yasar_TR]

As it is, it doesn’t seem possible. Yet as said above, if there is a will there is a way. Still, TB3 has the max load capability. But not the space to accommodate it. The only place available is under the belly (as I had mentioned earlier). Flir is a problem. It is up to the engineers to find a solution.
It is a waste if you can’t utilise the full payload capacity and the range advantage this plane would give for delivering more lethal munitions.
Smaller and lighter munitions is like going to a gun fight with a knife. We should be able to project the sort of deterrence a torpedo or an AShM would project from stand off distances and provide more defensive posture to TCG Anadolu.

 

[Sanchez]

As it is, it doesn’t seem possible. Yet as said above, if there is a will there is a way. Still, TB3 has the max load capability. But not the space to accommodate it. The only place available is under the belly (as I had mentioned earlier). Flir is a problem. It is up to the engineers to find a solution.
It is a waste if you can’t utilise the full payload capacity and the range advantage this plane would give for delivering more lethal munitions.
Smaller and lighter munitions is like going to a gun fight with a knife. We should be able to project the sort of deterrence a torpedo or an AShM would project from stand off distances and provide more defensive posture to TCG Anadolu.

TB3 will find its stride in ISR, I don't think this will change. For ASW, if they can fit sonobuoy launchers in realistic numbers, it'd be more than enough.

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Gendarme took delivery of 1 system of Akıncı ucavs with 1 GCS and 3 birds.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1941214680179228745

 

[Sanchez]

When you think about it, both ANKA-3 and KE will be able to launch from TCG Anadolu

Remains to be seen.

 

[Quasar]

I guess here the main issue is

Does ANADOLU need or will need a long range heavy punch with high survivability??? I believe eventually such a concern will raise then we can consider available platforms /future platorms and weapons. Survivability will always remains the key point i.e saturation ... speed.... then we can talk about range, precision... warhead

in its sipmlest form

Orka torpedo - high survivability - high precision - 45? kg warhead

Çakır type ASM - lower survivability - high precision - 70 kg warhead

İHA 122-230 - high survivability- lower precision - 13,5 / 42 kg warhead

Kuzgun ..........
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[Yasar_TR]

They said the same thing about TB3 but here we are.

TB3‘s main handicap was the avoidance of that big lift at the back, almost in the way of run way. Otherwise having gone through simulations and land tests it was ready to be tested on Anadolu. So far, with auto landing etc it seems to have succeeded. But it still is not ready for full operation. We need to see it taking off and land with full fuel and weapons load and in adverse weather conditions. Hence all the current testing being done.

KE and Anka-3 need arrester wires and hook landing (Selçuk Bayraktar himself admitted it for KE). That is not an easy Task. You would have to destroy part of the expensive deck surface that was treated with special materials to withstand F35B’s excessive heat generation during it’s landing.
Navy knows that where as normal aircraft operations are cancelled in certain weather conditions, F35Bs carry on landing due to their vertical landing capability. As long as there is a chance to purchase F35Bs, that surface is untouchable.

 

[Zafer]

No matter what combination of aircraft you can have on TCG Anadolu it is absolutely necessary to take a weapons system to its full capability as it expands the envelope of Navy's capabilities and also it is offered as an exports product to foreign navies. So as a product it needs to have its own maximum capabilities achieved to have a higher market value.

At some point in time when the TEI PD engines that are in development now get deployed on the TB3 a 350kg weapons load for PD222 and a 450kg weapons load for PD300 seems achievable. So any deployment scenario should include such possibilities.

 

[Yasar_TR]

No matter what combination of aircraft you can have on TCG Anadolu it is absolutely necessary to take a weapons system to its full capability as it expands the envelope of Navy's capabilities and also it is offered as an exports product to foreign navies. So as a product it needs to have its own maximum capabilities achieved to have a higher market value.

At some point in time when the TEI PD engines that are in development now get deployed on the TB3 a 350kg weapons load for PD222 and a 450kg weapons load for PD300 seems achievable. So any deployment scenario should include such possibilities.

Source for those figures pls?

 

[Zafer]

Source for those figures pls?

My own opinion.

TB3 has 170hp engine and if it can carry 280kg with this engine, you can extrapolate what you can achieve with 225 hp and 305 hp engines and my estimates are rough but conservative. Also consider that you don't have to load same amount of fuel for every mission, you can cut down on fuel to increase weapons load at the cost of time in the air. For comparison Gray Eagle STOL is equipped with a 450hp engine and can carry 16 hellfire missiles totaling 752 kg of weapons load. Applying the same power to weight ratio to the TB3 one could expect 510 kg weapons load considering other aspects of the TB3 are changed accordingly.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1941377825413661158

I hope Yabankaz will not share the same Fate like Kargi.

 

[TheInsider]

A smaller torpedo and anti-ship missile with a weight of around 100kg are in the pipeline for TB3. Kuzgun-TJ is also a good alternative.

 

[Yasar_TR]

"The entire 5,440 square meter flight deck coating of TCG ANADOLU has been developed and produced by DURATEK, localized in collaboration with the Gölcük Naval Shipyard, featuring a non-slip coating that facilitates the safe landing and takeoff of helicopters, UAVs, and UCAVs. The coating consists of an Epoxy-Based Primer, Non-Slip Helicopter Deck Floor Coating, and Polyurethane Marking Paint, meeting all requirements of the MIL PRF 24667 C specification and the 202-0000-6820-004-000-0 numbered Ship Helicopter Platform Non-Slip Paint System Technical Specification."

Duratek | L400

www.duratek.com.tr

"At the beginning of the Turkish LHD Programme, TCG Anadolu (L 400) was planned to be equipped with a runway covering resistant to the high-temperature exhaust gas of F-35 B lightning IIs, as the aircraft were still on the agenda. TurDef has learned that this resistant layer was never applied."

Can Turkiye Build an Aircraft Carrier? | TURDEF

The Turkish Aircraft Carrier MUGEM is currently being designed in the Project Design Office.

www.turdef.com

This is news to me. If true, I stand corrected. But according to most related media it was believed that the ship was built to accommodate F35B jets. Hence the hangars and surface was covered accordingly.

from Turkish Minute/Frankfurt dated Aug 21:
quote:
When construction of the TCG Anadolu started, Turkey was an active member of the JSF program. Therefore, to accommodate F-35B short-takeoff and vertical-landing (STOVL) aircraft, the Turkish Navy refitted the TCG Anadolu with a fully equipped flight deck
unquote.

From Naval Technology dated June21:
quote:
TCG Anadolu will have the capacity to carry six F35-B aircraft. The ability to carry tactical aircraft capable of short-distance take-off and vertical landing, such as the F-35B.
unquote

From Baird maritime dated March 23:
quote:
The ship can also be configured to operate F-35B Lightning II multi-role combat aircraft with short take-off/vertical landing (STOVL) capability should the Turkish government decide to proceed with their purchase in the future
unquote.

the ship was launched in water on 30th April 2019. Turkey was removed from F35 program on 17th July 2019. If it was launched without surface treatment and the treatment was applied later, that could be the case.
We know that after the decision taken to use Anadolu as a drone carrier, certain electronics and parts were installed to facilitate.

[ANALYSIS] Unmanned solutions for LHD TCG Anadolu can't fill the F-35B gap - Turkish Minute

The CAATSA (Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act) sanctions imposed on Turkey due to its purchase of Russia's S-400 air defense system came as a great shock to Turkey. These sanctions caused many defense industry projects to be halted.

www.turkishminute.com

TCG Anadolu Multipurpose Amphibious Assault Ship

TCG Anadolu is a multi-purpose amphibious assault ship being developed by Sedef Shipyard and Navantia for the Turkish Navy.

www.naval-technology.com

TCG Anadolu LHD: A Naval Platform that will Multiply the Power Projection Capability of Turkish Navy!

By İbrahim SÜNNETÇİ - SSB Prof. İsmail DEMİR: “ It will be delivered in the last quarter of 2020”

www.defenceturkey.com

VESSEL REVIEW | Anadolu – Locally-built helicopter carrier delivered to Turkish Navy

A new landing helicopter dock (LHD) that can also be configured to accommodate tactical jet aircraft was recently handed over to the Turkish Navy. The future TC

www.bairdmaritime.com

 

[Sanchez]

This is news to me. If true, I stand corrected. But according to most related media it was believed that the ship was built to accommodate F35B jets.

This remains still obscured years later. We don't have a good official confirmation for or against it. It's also not clear if Spanish Harriers can land and take off from Anadolu as well.

 

[Pokemonte13]

This remains still obscured years later. We don't have a good official confirmation for or against it. It's also not clear if Spanish Harriers can land and take off from Anadolu as well.

What are the spanish are going to buy to replace them. i mean they are building another carrier