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[Zafer]

imperial ambitions!!

Imperial is so past century, today we talk about interests, of ours and of our friendly nations'. It is the same for everyone who has power. You want to protect your interests agains hostiles. You want to have a space center in Somalia you have to protect it. You want to explore and extract hydrocarbons you better protect your drill ships and your merchant fleet. So homeland is only part of the coverage you want to have.

 

[Huelague]

Need for TF-2000 is imperial ambitions in near east. Do our coasts really need air defense heavy frigate TF-2000?

Land based Çakır launchers, UAVs, USV, unmanned subs, Fast Attack Crafts and Tuzla Class patrol boats are enough for our costs.

Imagine a heavy missile strike from Russia. Better to intercept most missiles over Blacksea. Same goes for Greek and Mediterranean.

 

[UkroTurk]

Imagine a heavy missile strike from Russia. Better to intercept most missiles over Blacksea. Same goes for Greek and Mediterranean.

I class frigates frigates could intercept since they have same missiles. Moreover 3-4 I class frigates would be more effective and safer rather than one big heavy frigate.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

I class frigates frigates could intercept since they have same missiles. Moreover 3-4 I class frigates would be more effective and safer rather than one big heavy frigate.

Dude, having TF2000 is simply cool asf, thats enough reason...

 

[TheInsider]

No they turn away that idea,remember STM design with 55 knots,its not good for bad whether even for island sea,you can not even stand up position on board with 55 knot/400 ton FAC.Üsküdar biz have good article for that idea.

I have my own ideas, they have theirs. Land forces push for 70-tonne behemoths. Era of tanks is not over, but the era of 70tonne behemoths are over if they can't see this, it is their problem, not mine. Similarly, speed and firepower still reign supreme at sea, especially for a country such as ours that has long shores to inland seas. Jean Ecole is not dead. You won't stand up on board such a vessel. When it's at full speed, the crew will probably be strapped to F1-style seats. Such a vessel will be utilized for lightning-fast hit-and-run tactics. It won't stay on the open seas for a long time, several days at most. If navy wants to utilize unmanned systems for that role, i support it.

 

[Turkic]

I class frigates frigates could intercept since they have same missiles. Moreover 3-4 I class frigates would be more effective and safer rather than one big heavy frigate.

You would always have to use four I-class frigates together because one of them has 16 VLS cells, which can only intercept a swarm of 64 Shahed drones at best and you shouldn't have any Siper's on board for this number. Also there's no guarantee 64 of them will be successfully shot down by a single missile.

Where one TF-2000 (let's say 64 of its VLS cells are equipped with AD missiles, including 24 Siper and 160 Hisar/Sapan) can stop 20 of them while they are 100 km away and will have enough cards to play for the rest when they're in the range of 160 Hisar missiles.

 

[UkroTurk]

You would always have to use four I-class frigates together because one of them has 16 VLS cells, which can only intercept a swarm of 64 Shahed drones at best and you shouldn't have any Siper's on board for this number. Also there's no guarantee 64 of them will be successfully shot down by a single missile.

Where one TF-2000 (let's say 64 of its VLS cells are equipped with AD missiles, including 24 Siper and 160 Hisar/Sapan) can stop 20 of them while they are 100 km away and will have enough cards to play for the rest when they're in the range of 160 Hisar missiles.

Shahid drones need different solutions such as SUNGUR, GÖKSUR, LEVENT. Even they should be combined with korkut35mm.
I i-class should have additional göksur /Levent Systems.

 

[uçuyorum]

TF2000 is needed for defense of mainland too because ballistic missile defense works when it's closer to the source, you must detect and intercept in early stages for longer range ones. Against longer range munitions as well it creates the first line of defense. Imagine enemy has 500km missile, you would be extending the needed range for them to hit your mainland by 100+km giving you more time to react and more chances to intercept

 

[Turkic]

Shahid drones need different solutions such as SUNGUR, GÖKSUR, LEVENT. Even they should be combined with korkut35mm.
I i-class should have additional göksur /Levent Systems.

We're talking about defending the land with sea platforms before they're in the range of our coastal defence systems. Ships are not fast enough to catch Shahed drones on their route (to get them in close range air defence systems) if they're not aiming for the ship.

 

[UkroTurk]

It works just for Mediterranean sea. Black sea and islands sea is as not large as Mediterranean. However I - class would be enough for Mediterranean EEZ.

 

[UkroTurk]

We're talking about defending the land with sea platforms before they're in the range of our coastal defence systems. Ships are not fast enough to catch Shahed drones on their route (to get them in close range air defence systems) if they're not aiming for the ship.

So several warships could cover more territory before the attack. Stand off missiles fly on the sea level, horizon is 20 miles, how one big air defense frigate cover all black sea, islands sea, Mediterranean sea? Or do they have role of anti ballistic missile? Do we have own SM-3 or pac-3?

 

[UkroTurk]

I would be agree with you about large vls capacity, if we had pac-3 MSE or SM-3!!


BTW IT would be great if we had own PAC-3 MSE against ballistic missiles.

Lockheed Martin Provides Updates on Naval PAC-3 MSE and G-VLS - Naval News

The U.S. Navy continues in their effort to integrate and field PAC-3 MSE on U.S. Navy destroyers. The capability would bring...

www.navalnews.com

Look pac
3 MSE going naval

Siper 2 could be?

 

[uçuyorum]

I would be agree with you about large vls capacity, if we had pac-3 MSE or SM-3!!


BTW IT would be great if we had own PAC-3 MSE against ballistic missiles.

Lockheed Martin Provides Updates on Naval PAC-3 MSE and G-VLS - Naval News

The U.S. Navy continues in their effort to integrate and field PAC-3 MSE on U.S. Navy destroyers. The capability would bring...

www.navalnews.com

Look pac
3 MSE going naval


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Siper 2 could be?

I mean we know its being worked on. TF2000 won't be finished too fast so until then I imagine we will have prototypes of abm capabilities at least, and radars will probably get better at tracking them with software and other upgrades

 

[Turkic]

So several warships could cover more territory before the attack. Stand off missiles fly on the sea level, horizon is 20 miles, how one big air defense frigate cover all black sea, islands sea, Mediterranean sea? Or do they have role of anti ballistic missile? Do we have own SM-3 or pac-3?

Capacity of I-class is never enough for AD missions. Your idea could work better with AS3600/TF-4500/F-142. I-class is just a corvette fitted with 16 VLS cells for self-defence and multi mission capability. Not designed for AD missions.

 

[UkroTurk]

Capacity of I-class is never enough for AD missions. Your idea could work better with AS3600/TF-4500/F-142. I-class is just a corvette fitted with 16 VLS cells for self-defence and multi mission capability. Not designed for AD missions.

Not enough? AD missions of what? which waters?

IMO, İ-class just lacks of Levent, Göksur .

 

[Turkic]

Not enough? AD missions of what? which waters?

Any waters. Even non-state organisations (terrorists and complicated states like Lebanon, Yemen, Libya) now have long range kamikaze drones which they can use in high numbers.

 

[UkroTurk]

Any waters. Even non-state organisations (terrorists and complicated states like Lebanon, Yemen, Libya) now have long range kamikaze drones which they can use in high numbers.

You have just said about kamikaze drones , how very difficult to catch them with one ship even with TF-2000.
That's why I suggested 4x I class.

But imo i-class just lacks of smaller SAMs such as SUNGUR, GÖKSUR,Levent.

Additional göksur or Levent launcher would fit İ-class. We Just could cover all sea with it.

Even Tuzla Class patrol boats need AESA radar and SAMs.

 

[Turkic]

You have just said about kamikaze drones , how very difficult to catch them with one ship even with TF-2000.
That's why I suggested 4x I class.

I'm not saying your idea is bad. I'm saying I-class is not enough and the frigates I mentioned are the right candidates for your idea.

 

[Sanchez]

Please! @Anmdt
Sailing training ship from Ares.

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[AlperTunga]

I assume TF-2000 will be able to fire Gezgin missiles unlike Istif. And have 64 VLS vs 16 for Istif. US and Japan destroyers have 96 VLS. And US has more than 60 destroyers so us having 6 of them should be „allowed“.