TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[TheInsider]

Sudan is not given long range weapons that can be used with their drones. Türkiye should give them some Kemankeş cruise missiles and IHA-230.

 

[Sanchez]

Sudan is not given long range weapons that can be used with their drones. Türkiye should give them some Kemankeş cruise missiles and IHA-230.

That's the crux. They are using MAMs on Akıncı. It's a glorified TB2. Useless for modern proxy war, when the other side can deploy medium range SAMs on spot. We're not in 2020 anymore.

 

[Iskander]

That's the crux. They are using MAMs on Akıncı. It's a glorified TB2. Useless for modern proxy war, when the other side can deploy medium range SAMs on spot. We're not in 2020 anymore.

The TB2 was originally developed for operations against armed groups without air defense. Given the gradual phaseout of the A10 and Su-25 attack aircraft, fragile the TB2 is even less suited for this role.
(In Ukraine, the TB2 no longer flies at the front or in operational depth, but only over the Black Sea, where the Russians cannot control the airspace.)
I think the same can be said about the Akinci. But the Akinci has many advantages over the TB2: it can fly higher, carry a larger payload, and carry relatively long-range missiles.
If Selçuk Bayraktar had been told 10 or 15 years ago that the TB2 he created would see action in intense combat, he probably would have been very surprised.

 

[Zafer]

Turns out that TB3 is using a 200hp engine moving up from the 170hp PD170 as their first engine. However as the hp goes up engine life becomes shorter.

 

[Boykaz]

The best munitions for the Akıncı are the ÇAKIR and the İHA-230. If Akıncı uses these weapons effectively, it can easily surpass the TB2 in capability. However, using MAM-L with the Akıncı feels pointless and unfortunately damages its prestige.

If footage emerges showing air defense systems being destroyed in Sudan with the İHA-230 (which has a 150+ km range), it could restore its reputation

 

[Quasar]

I am not sure about our Surveillance capabilities in Sudan but guess as we all know that the issue is not just about MAMs, Kemankeş IHA 230 or Çakır or the rest from a seemingly endless list of ammunitions ..... but definitly Surveillance is also crucial i.e SIGINT, COMINT, ELINT in line with them EW and ECM capabilities either with on board systems or Land based ones.

Not just during our operations in Syria or Iraq But we should be able to provide these essentials satisfactoraly during our overseas operations like Sudan

 

[Boykaz]

Sudan'daki Gözetleme yeteneklerimiz konusunda emin değilim ama hepimizin bildiği gibi mesele sadece MAM'lar, Kemankeş IHA 230 veya Çakır veya görünüşte sonsuz bir mühimmat listesindeki diğer silahlarla ilgili değil... ama kesinlikle Gözetleme de çok önemli, yani SIGINT, COMINT, ELINT ve bunlara bağlı EW ve ECM yetenekleri, ister yerleşik sistemlerle ister kara konuşlu olsun.

Sadece Suriye veya Irak'taki operasyonlarımızda değil, Sudan gibi denizaşırı operasyonlarımızda da bu temel unsurları tatmin edici bir şekilde sağlayabilmeliyiz.

If ASELFIR-500/600 was used in Sudan, it could easily detect air defense systems from 60–80 km away. I don’t think there’s a problem with image intelligence; on the contrary, it’s possible that long-range munitions were simply not provided to Sudan.

 

[Boykaz]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1968338459845931155

Integrated into our KIZILELMA."*

ASELSAN General Manager Ahmet Akyol:

"KIZILELMA’s electro-optical surveillance system and radar system are here. These two products are of a complexity that only 2–3 companies in the world could achieve.

God willing, we’ll see KIZILELMA in the inventory next year. It will be a game-changer in the UAV world and open a new chapter. It will have a multiplier effect in Türkiye.

A similar version of this system’s camera and passive radar is also being used in KAAN."

probably 5 or 6 prototypes were integrated

 

[Huelague]

TB-4 is coming!!! …maybe

 

[Pokemonte13]

would love to see a tb4 with 400-600 payload capacity like mini akinci

 

[Iskander]

would love to see a tb4 with 400-600 payload capacity like mini akinci

A scaled-down Akinci would look even more beautiful. Especially from the front.
But the intrigue is that we don't know what the next Bayraktar aircraft will be like. We remember how unexpectedly the Kizielma appeared!
Three of his four creations are completely different from each other. It's amazing! In this regard, of all the aircraft designers, he reminds me most of Kelly Johnson. The legendary Johnson! The U-2. The F-104 Starfighter, the fantastic Blackbird!
I consider the Kizielma his most beautiful creation.
Personally, I would like to see the Kizielma-2 with a payload of 4-5 tons. Especially since the twin-engine Kizielma was announced earlier.

 

[Pokemonte13]

does anyone know if the b and c version can carry more munitions than the a version of akinci with 1.5 tons because of the more powerful engines or is it just overall a performance increase?

 

[Pokemonte13]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1971537080212979716

Kizilelma flight test with tolun

 

[Pokemonte13]

Better picture

 

[Agha Sher]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1971537080212979716

Kizilelma flight test with tolun

Can we please have the landing gear retracted and use the internal weapon bays?

 

[Zafer]

Can we please have the landing gear retracted and use the internal weapon bays?

You want the season's final skipping the intermediate episodes, not happening.

 

[Iskander]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1971537080212979716

Kizilelma flight test with tolun

It looks like its internal bays are designed only for air-to-air missiles. There will likely be no more than four of them. The rest of the weapons are mounted only on the pylons.
The turns aren't very steep yet, with a bank angle of just under 45 degrees. And the speed with the landing gear down isn't very high.
Theoretically, a test flight with the landing gear retracted should be attempted first. Or am I missing something?

 

[Agha Sher]

They did fly with the landing gear retracted on PT1 and PT2. Ever since they got the new after-burner engine, the gear has not been retracted

It looks like its internal bays are designed only for air-to-air missiles. There will likely be no more than four of them. The rest of the weapons are mounted only on the pylons.
The turns aren't very steep yet, with a bank angle of just under 45 degrees. And the speed with the landing gear down isn't very high.
Theoretically, a test flight with the landing gear retracted should be attempted first. Or am I missing something?

 

[TR_123456]

It looks like its internal bays are designed only for air-to-air missiles. There will likely be no more than four of them. The rest of the weapons are mounted only on the pylons.
The turns aren't very steep yet, with a bank angle of just under 45 degrees. And the speed with the landing gear down isn't very high.
Theoretically, a test flight with the landing gear retracted should be attempted first. Or am I missing something?

With that engine,not possible.

 

[Pokemonte13]

It looks like its internal bays are designed only for air-to-air missiles. There will likely be no more than four of them. The rest of the weapons are mounted only on the pylons.
The turns aren't very steep yet, with a bank angle of just under 45 degrees. And the speed with the landing gear down isn't very high.
Theoretically, a test flight with the landing gear retracted should be attempted first. Or am I missing something?

well baykar showcased som j in internal weaponsbay so thats that. Also maybe Gökbora could fit 6 because of the folding fins