TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Yasar_TR]

Hmm, in this case, more than three prototypes may be produced for the TF6000. The engineer at the fair noted that afterburner is not an easy technology and that significant work has been done on it. Consequently, the TF10000's production schedule will likely take time.

If all goes well, the TF6000 is expected to be produced even sooner, as many prototypes have already been produced.

TF10000 is a different engine. It has to withstand the sudden jolt of the afterburner when it kicks in. Materials and parts used have to be different in places where it matters.
Prof Akşit had mentioned all this before.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

The day Türkiye has Nukes with ICBMs and their own fighter jets should be the day that america gets kicked out of Türkiye. These bastards are anything but allies.

 

[godel44]

Here in this interview on Kaner’s channel, around 11:45 mark, Özgür Ekşi says that he once asked military technicians in Eskisehir if the F-110 engines in F-16s can be used in dual engine mode for Kaan and they answered they can easily make it work. It was sometimes said here this is not technically possible due to FADEC software and turning direction of the engines but it seems to be technically very feasible. Other obvious problems like legal licensing and F-16 availability notwithstanding of course.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Here in this interview on Kaner’s channel, around 11:45 mark, Özgür Ekşi says that he once asked military technicians in Eskisehir if the F-110 engines in F-16s can be used in dual engine mode for Kaan and they answered they can easily make it work. It was sometimes said here this is not technically possible due to FADEC software and turning direction of the engines but it seems to be technically very feasible. Other obvious problems like legal licensing and F-16 availability notwithstanding of course.

If enough time and energy is spent on conversion they can be used.
But remember that KAAN’s motor connections to body and F16’s are in totally different positions. You can’t just swap. Also FADEC as you mentioned needs to be programmed to suit a twin engined performance. FADEC (Full Authority Digital Engine/Electronics Control) controls the engine‘s air and fuel mix, controls pilot’s inputs and makes sure engines work in optimum and most efficient manner during flight when the plane undertakes difficult manoeuvres. These changes from plane to plane a hell of a lot. So specific sensors for specific planes sends info to FADEC. And FADEC makes sure the engine performs as it is required from it.

Rotation direction is wrong info. All f110 engines rotate in counterclockwise when look ed at it from the front, as all GE and P&W engines do ; be it single or twin engined. Yet most RR engines rotate in clockwise direction. That includes the EJ200 on Typhoon.

Legal issue is also a point.

 

[hugh]

it feels weird to share the words of opposition leader as a source but he says he was told at TUSAŞ that KAAN will fly with indigenous engines in 2032-2033.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1973391910996693264

Give it a watch. he pretty much nailed it. some factions of CHP are pretty dumb and have an inferiority complex that runs deep when it comes to national projects. This perspective was a breath of fresh air which I hope could cure some of his followers.

 

[Lool]

it feels weird to share the words of opposition leader as a source but he says he was told at TUSAŞ that KAAN will fly with indigenous engines in 2032-2033.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1973391910996693264

Give it a watch. he pretty much nailed it. some factions of CHP are pretty dumb and have an inferiority complex that runs deep when it comes to national projects. This perspective was a breath of fresh air which I hope could cure some of his followers.

What the guys at TUSAS meant is that serial production of KAAN with the national engine will begin in 2032/2033 which is something all of us knew from the beginning of the year

From what I remember, KAAN's first engine firing by TEI/TR Motor will be in 2026 and after 2-3 years of testing (depending on results), the engine will be incorporated into KAAN during the end of 2028/2029 for more testing till 2032/2033 (depending on test results) followed by serial production

The timeline remains unchanged.

 

[hugh]

What the guys at TUSAS meant is that serial production of KAAN with the national engine will begin in 2032/2033 which is something all of us knew from the beginning of the year

From what I remember, KAAN's first engine firing by TEI/TR Motor will be in 2026 and after 2-3 years of testing (depending on results), the engine will be incorporated into KAAN during the end of 2028/2029 for more testing till 2032/2033 (depending on test results) followed by serial production

The timeline remains unchanged.

To my recollection, i have never seen any info on TF35000's first firing or the start of a prototype building. What we were told is that some early tests will be conducted in 2026. That doesn't mean a prototype. It will be a test article for early testing before committing to a prototype. So it's a part of the engine that will be tested on a specialized rig. It could belong to the compressor, combustion chamber, turbine section and what not.

When they start to build the prototype, it will take 1.5-2 years before it's completed and perform its first firing. We will be shown its full-scale mock-up before the prototype. But that requires an advanced stage in development. The program is still in preliminary-design phase. I for one would feel ecstatic if they could fire the engine first time by 2028.

 

[Spitfire9]

To my recollection, i have never seen any info on TF35000's first firing or the start of a prototype building. What we were told is that some early tests will be conducted in 2026. That doesn't mean a prototype. It will be a test article for early testing before committing to a prototype. So it's a part of the engine that will be tested on a specialized rig. It could belong to the compressor, combustion chamber, turbine section and what not.

When they start to build the prototype, it will take 1.5-2 years before it's completed and perform its first firing. We will be shown its full-scale mock-up before the prototype. But that requires an advanced stage in development. The program is still in preliminary-design phase. I for one would feel ecstatic if they could fire the engine first time by 2028.

If things work out IMO KAAN will have very good sales prospects when it becomes available with TF35000. Su-75 looks like it will never progress past being a dream. If KF-21 is still stuck with GE F414 in ten years' time, the US will have a veto on who buys it. Same for AMCA, which is unlikely to have a non-US engine until around 2040 IMO.

I you don't want F-35 or cannot buy it, KAAN looks like it will be the best (and perhaps only) 5G choice for you for quite a few years from the early 2030's.

 

[NEKO]

The day Türkiye has Nukes with ICBMs

How tho.

There will lots of pressure and sanctions in the process and currently Turkiye is a member of NPT.

 

[Huelague]

How tho.

There will lots of pressure and sanctions in the process and currently Turkiye is a member of NPT.

As we can see around us in the world, intentional agreements and contracts means a fack! Worthless like the paper on they were written.

 

[Samba]

As we can see around us in the world, intentional agreements and contracts means a fack! Worthless like the paper on they were written.

Yeah they work only if they benefit us and Israel. Since Türkiye getting nukes will work for Israel and us treaties, sanctions will be put onto effect including the last letter.

 

[Zoth]

it feels weird to share the words of opposition leader as a source but he says he was told at TUSAŞ that KAAN will fly with indigenous engines in 2032-2033.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1973391910996693264

Give it a watch. he pretty much nailed it. some factions of CHP are pretty dumb and have an inferiority complex that runs deep when it comes to national projects. This perspective was a breath of fresh air which I hope could cure some of his followers.

Kaan may fly with indigenous engines in 2032-2033 for test purpose, similar to other countries' tests, 1 f110 + f1 tf35k, but that does not mean those engines will be ready at 2032-2033.

If the information given is coming from a politician, i would think 10 times before trusting on what the politican said, they are the least educated on these topics, even less than normal citizens.

 

[Rooxbar]

What the guys at TUSAS meant is that serial production of KAAN with the national engine will begin in 2032/2033 which is something all of us knew from the beginning of the year

From what I remember, KAAN's first engine firing by TEI/TR Motor will be in 2026 and after 2-3 years of testing (depending on results), the engine will be incorporated into KAAN during the end of 2028/2029 for more testing till 2032/2033 (depending on test results) followed by serial production

The timeline remains unchanged.

Yes, some people act like the 2028/29 date is the date of full maturation and incorporation into a block of Kaans. 2028/29 is the date for incorporation into a Kaan for further testing and maturation, which is still an ambitious timeline for such a project but it has been hinted at that the engine itself will also be a work in progress in terms of technologies and generational capacity, hence the first iteration will probably be more akin to a F110 than to a F135, a factor which would make the timeline more plausible. Even then I think it will be delayed to 2031, with full maturation coming sometime in the second half of 2030s.

 

[2033]

Is it feasible to use the Tf35000 engine in the initial blocks of Kaan before it’s fully matured? Some Twitter experts(!) suggest that once the engine reaches 2/3 of its power, it could already fly the Kaan.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

All of u are talking about KAAN engine which we are developing it , it can take 10 years from now to fully mature (2035) but i want answers about what will happen wşth f404 of hurjets & Lm 2500 of warships ?

 

[Merzifonlu]

Is it feasible to use the Tf35000 engine in the initial blocks of Kaan before it’s fully matured? Some Twitter experts(!) suggest that once the engine reaches 2/3 of its power, it could already fly the Kaan.

I'm not an expert, but I would suggest the same.

My reference for this is Prof. Akşit's statement about the TF-6000: "Our TF-6000 engine has already achieved 3800 lbf of thrust. It is even capable of being used in its current state during an emergency." This means that engines like the TF-6000 can quickly reach two-thirds of their targeted thrust level and can even be used in this state in an emergency.

If this can happen with the TF-6000 engine, why not with the TF35000 engine?

 

[Zoth]

All of u are talking about KAAN engine which we are developing it , it can take 10 years from now to fully mature (2035) but i want answers about what will happen wşth f404 of hurjets & Lm 2500 of warships ?

The deal/license for f404 is already approved(at least for unarmed versions of Hurjet)

TEI - MoU from TEI, Turkish Aerospace and GE Aerospace

www.tei.com.tr

 

[Rooxbar]

I'm not an expert, but I would suggest the same.

My reference for this is Prof. Akşit's statement about the TF-6000: "Our TF-6000 engine has already achieved 3800 lbf of thrust. It is even capable of being used in its current state during an emergency." This means that engines like the TF-6000 can quickly reach two-thirds of their targeted thrust level and can even be used in this state in an emergency.

If this can happen with the TF-6000 engine, why not with the TF35000 engine?

I think the Chinese might be doing something like this with WS-15, for all we know. It's funny though that they announced the engine is ready back in 2006 and it still hasn't been fully integrated.

 

[Merzifonlu]

I think the Chinese might be doing something like this with WS-15, for all we know. It's funny though that they announced the engine is ready back in 2006 and it still hasn't been fully integrated.

In this case, there are two possibilities: Either the WS-15 wasn't ready in 2006 and they lied to everyone, or they're so incompetent that they haven't yet been able to get the engine to the thrust level they're aiming for.

 

[Zoth]

I'm not an expert, but I would suggest the same.

My reference for this is Prof. Akşit's statement about the TF-6000: "Our TF-6000 engine has already achieved 3800 lbf of thrust. It is even capable of being used in its current state during an emergency." This means that engines like the TF-6000 can quickly reach two-thirds of their targeted thrust level and can even be used in this state in an emergency.

If this can happen with the TF-6000 engine, why not with the TF35000 engine?

Ah, i don't know from where to start to explain, let's start.

First of all, TF 6000 engine was designed and developed from start to be a 6k lbf engine but it took years of work before it could even run reliably at 3,800 lbf. The big chunk of time wasn't about getting the last 2,000 lbf; it was about getting the core architecture right in the first place.


TF6000 Engine Simplified Timeline:

2017: Project Start

2023: Critical Design Review (CDR)

2024/2025: First Prototype

2025+: Testing Begins

202X: Mass Production?

And this is an engine that is not AB capable, that will be the TF10K which we heard nothing of, do i have to say how many extra years will it take for it to finish?

Same story with the TF35000. Saying "we'll use it at 2/3 power(23K lbf) for the first planes" sounds good, and it's probably the plan. But that doesn't magically shave years off the schedule. You still have to go through the entire, long process of designing, building, and testing the core just to get it to that stable 23,000 lbf state.

So yeah, the idea is right, but the clock doesn't reset. The core R&D is the fixed timeline, whether you're targeting full power or a partial one. You still gotta build the whole house before you can decide to only furnish the ground floor.


Where this approach really saves us is if we hit a wall with materials. If we can't yet make the turbine blades and composites that can handle the full stress and heat of 35,000 lbf, we can still fly. We just dial back the power and use the engine at a thrust level our current materials can handle. It gets the jet in the air while we continue to develop the tougher parts for the full-power version.

TLDR;
The engine wont be ready before at least 2035, if TEI makes the unimaginable, at the best case scenario we will see matured TF3X00 engine not before 2032-2033.