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All of u are talking about KAAN engine which we are developing it , it can take 10 years from now to fully mature (2035) but i want answers about what will happen wşth f404 of hurjets & Lm 2500 of warships ?
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I'm not an expert, but I would suggest the same.Is it feasible to use the Tf35000 engine in the initial blocks of Kaan before it’s fully matured? Some Twitter experts(!) suggest that once the engine reaches 2/3 of its power, it could already fly the Kaan.
The deal/license for f404 is already approved(at least for unarmed versions of Hurjet)All of u are talking about KAAN engine which we are developing it , it can take 10 years from now to fully mature (2035) but i want answers about what will happen wşth f404 of hurjets & Lm 2500 of warships ?
I think the Chinese might be doing something like this with WS-15, for all we know. It's funny though that they announced the engine is ready back in 2006 and it still hasn't been fully integrated.I'm not an expert, but I would suggest the same.
My reference for this is Prof. Akşit's statement about the TF-6000: "Our TF-6000 engine has already achieved 3800 lbf of thrust. It is even capable of being used in its current state during an emergency." This means that engines like the TF-6000 can quickly reach two-thirds of their targeted thrust level and can even be used in this state in an emergency.
If this can happen with the TF-6000 engine, why not with the TF35000 engine?
In this case, there are two possibilities: Either the WS-15 wasn't ready in 2006 and they lied to everyone, or they're so incompetent that they haven't yet been able to get the engine to the thrust level they're aiming for.I think the Chinese might be doing something like this with WS-15, for all we know. It's funny though that they announced the engine is ready back in 2006 and it still hasn't been fully integrated.
Ah, i don't know from where to start to explain, let's start.I'm not an expert, but I would suggest the same.
My reference for this is Prof. Akşit's statement about the TF-6000: "Our TF-6000 engine has already achieved 3800 lbf of thrust. It is even capable of being used in its current state during an emergency." This means that engines like the TF-6000 can quickly reach two-thirds of their targeted thrust level and can even be used in this state in an emergency.
If this can happen with the TF-6000 engine, why not with the TF35000 engine?
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WS10,WS15 and all their siblings are engines developed from taking Russian AL31 class engines as a model and starting point. Chinese have had help from Safran as well in their quest for jet engine manufacturing. There is a crux where you hit the right note in engineering. Due to the deficiencies and contradictions present in Russian engine designs and the involvement of Safran which is in the western school of jet engine designs, they have not progressed as quickly as you would expect. Same happened to the Russians. They just couldn’t achieve transition from directionally solidified crystals to single crystals in their AL31 and AL41 series of engines.In this case, there are two possibilities: Either the WS-15 wasn't ready in 2006 and they lied to everyone, or they're so incompetent that they haven't yet been able to get the engine to the thrust level they're aiming for.
When TF6000 program was started in 2017, Turkiye was negotiating with RR for the KAAN engine and only a year before that the UK prime minister had taken out all stops in helping us in our quest for 5th generation planes and engines.First of all, TF 6000 engine was designed and developed from start to be a 6k lbf engine but it took years of work before it could even run reliably at 3,800 lbf.
What im trying to emphasize is not whether TEI can build an engine at the level of TF35K or not, cutting the engine to 30k from 35k lbf would change nothing in terms of time of development, that was the whole emphasize.WS10,WS15 and all their siblings are engines developed from taking Russian AL31 class engines as a model and starting point. Chinese have had help from Safran as well in their quest for jet engine manufacturing. There is a crux where you hit the right note in engineering. Due to the deficiencies and contradictions present in Russian engine designs and the involvement of Safran which is in the western school of jet engine designs, they have not progressed as quickly as you would expect. Same happened to the Russians. They just couldn’t achieve transition from directionally solidified crystals to single crystals in their AL31 and AL41 series of engines.
When TF6000 program was started in 2017, Turkiye was negotiating with RR for the KAAN engine and only a year before that the UK prime minister had taken out all stops in helping us in our quest for 5th generation planes and engines.
Hence developing and producing TF6000 had no urgency attached to it. So it wasn’t until 2022 when the first prototype production was started. Had it not been for the under cover embargoes on auxiliary parts we had to manufacture ourselves, the engine’s first firing would have been in 2023 and not in 2024. So it wasn’t “ years of work” as you put it. Also as both the TF6000 and TF10000 won’t be propelling planes that carry human lives, their integration in to planes will most likely take place in much shorter a time.
When it comes to TF35000, TEI has enough expertise under its belly to overcome the difficulties that may lie ahead.
After all just look at the list of parts TEI produces for the F110 engine:
Specific F110 Engine Parts Produced by TEI:
As per Dr Aksit’s words they produce more than 50% of this engine. What is left is parts that come n from other subcontractors around the world. The only part GE provides is probably the 4th generation single crystal blades. TEI already achieved the manufacturing feat of 3rd generation Crystal blades.
- Front Frame
- Fan Stator
- #2 Bearing Housing
- Fan Rotor
- Fan Frame
- High Pressure Compressor Rotor (HPCR)
- HPCR Forward Stator
- HPCR Rear Stator
- Combustion Diffuser Nozzle (CDN)
- High Pressure Turbine (HPT) Shroud
- HPT Nozzle
- High Pressure Turbine Rotor (HPTR)
- Low Pressure Turbine (LPT) Rotor
- LPT Stage 1 Nozzle
- LPT Stage 2 Nozzle
- Turbine Frame
- Bell Crank
- Accessory Gearbox
- Outer Duct
- Exhaust Nozzle
- Augmentor
WS10,WS15 and all their siblings are engines developed from taking Russian AL31 class engines
WS-10 is an upgraded/modified AL31 with CFM56 technologies. As you wrote, WS-15 is a different engine. WS-10 has better overhaul/MTBF period compared to AL31. WS-15 is comparable to Western engines, such as the F-110.Actually, WS10 is based on CFM56 civilian engine core.
As for WS15, it is an indigenous design utilises indigenous single crystal blade technology. Which Russian AL31 doesn't afaik. That's why it took so long to develop compared to WS10 iterations.
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And yet they gave a full tour of the assembly hall to Istanbul Chamber of Commerce members! Why would they do thatI wouldn't say that. We have only seen a part of the airframe previously. They probably added many components by now.
And yet they gave a full tour of the assembly hall to Istanbul Chamber of Commerce members! Why would they do that
This show off or propaganda or whatever they call it, is getting ridiculous by the day. It must be stopped.
Then they should've taken their phones away. We are being led by fucking morons.Yeah but i don't think they were allowed to take pictures.
Then they should've taken their phones away. We are being led by fucking morons.
Mate, I'll bet you they just told them not to take photos and that was that (if that photo was indeed not authorized)Bro do we know that they didn't?