TR Air-Force EF Typhoon

[Zafer]

So we can use our own developed wepons on the Typhoon which is great. This can open the doors for our ammo sales to other users too.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Will the Qatari tranche 3a fighters be upgraded to tranche 4 like EF from Oman?

All the Turkish eurofighters should have Captor-E ECRS MK1 radar at least.

ECRS-MK1 is actually built on the basic ECRS-MK0. There isn’t much difference between the two. But the MK1 has more developed T/R modules that allows it to be cooler and improve in performance. Electronic Attack facility is there. It allows for more intricate retrofitted EW and SAR capability.

So it is an economically questionable move to upgrade MK0 radar to MK1. But Mechanical radar is definitely worth an upgrade.

Having said that, short of being an Aesa radar, the mechanical radar is no slouch. It will perform much better than any of our f16 radars.

However it could be a wise move to wait until ECRS-MK2 fitted planes start joining the inventory before we upgrade the radars on the Omani or Qatari planes. If Omani planes are upgraded to MK1 radars as we receive them, then we can wait for 2028 and upgrade the Qatari ones with MK2 radars gradually.
MK2 radar is the real game changer among the 4 EFT radars.

 

[Strong AI]

https://www.eurofighter.com/

 

[Zafer]

F16 no more the top gun, long live the new king

 

[AlperTunga]

So we can use our own developed wepons on the Typhoon which is great. This can open the doors for our ammo sales to other users too.

Is this stated somewhere officially?

 

[Zafer]

Is this stated somewhere officially?

I read in some webnews that we have software accees and we can use our ammo, selling ammo is my speculation.

Eurofighter yazılımında Türkiye'ye tam hakimiyet! Kaynak kod ve yerli mühimmat ayrıntısı

Ekonomi - Türkiye'nin 10 milyar dolarlık Eurofighter anlaşmasında hava savunmasında çığır açacak maddelerin yer aldığı belirtiliyor. Uçağın yazılım kodları Türkiye'nin elinde olacak. Eurofighter'la yerli füzeler ateşlenebilecek.

ekonomi.haber7.com

 

[AlperTunga]

I hope they make public some details of the deal otherwise this thing somehow leaves a bad taste. If we indeed have access to the code to probably also integrate Murad in the future, we should try to buy some more Tranche 3 second hand.

 

[Sanchez]

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https://www.eurofighter.com/

Weapon load shown here is the same as what was shown earlier this year. I think we can expect the weapons package to be Meteors, ASRAAM, Paveway kits and Brimstone. And the Sniper. Sniper is now 20 year old tech. Hopefully the first order of business is properly integrating HGK and Aselpod. Always good options to have and should be relatively easier.

 

[Oublious]

just ignore the guy with the hair....

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

just ignore the guy with the hair....

The potential other 20 planes would be T5, I guess.

 

[Nutuk]

They have to sell us something, if they don't it forces Turkiye to look to Russia, China etc. From my perspective the NATO side of the story always does the bare minimum for us. Basically just enough to keep us on side but never enough to truly help us with our regional problems.

This is how they are able to play a double game. Support our enemies, support terrorism against us, promote the agenda in their media and internationalise a domestic issue to the detriment of Turkiye.

So basically they do just enough to make sure they get the best outcome concerning Turkiye. As far as were concerned "beggars cannot be choosers". Going towards Russia, China is no good for us, USA, Europe is the lessor devil but its not great either.

So here we are, dumped out the F35 predictably so. Delayed by many years concerning fighter jet procurement and now were buying from the English and you hope if tomorrow you need to act in syria, the east med, cyprus or anywhere really that they don't pull an american on you. And the British are globally known for their games.

There was a recent boris johnson internview where he's talking about how the British sold the shah of iran billions of dollars worth of british tanks. This was when the british were plotting the coup against his government. They took the money, the coup occurred and the tanks never arrived in Iran. He's laughing as he's saying these things.

Nope UK selling the EF2000 has nothing to do with else Turkiye would go for Russian or Chinese (UK would not care)

Starmer told exactly why they are happy to sell the EF2000, this way they keep the production lines running and they are bridging the time till GCAP can be ready. Stopping prodction lines and re-opening is not only costly but you lose also skilled personnel.

So UK selling the EF2000 is purely self interest and has nothing to do with keeping us on their side.

 

[Yasar_TR]

The potential other 20 planes would be T5, I guess.

Bro, please forget about this fixation about tranche numbers.

Yes, as the tranche numbers increase the development level increases too. But higher tranche numbers don’t necessarily denote a better performing or higher technology plane.

UK is producing a Typhoon today that is based on an upgraded version of tranche 3 Typhoon with ECRS-MK2 radar and avionics and electronics that are commensurate with that radar that they called tranche4++ or tranche4.5 even when there was no Tranche 5 around. This Typhoon is more advanced than the German tranche 5 (Which is going to be essentially a tranche 4 with added EW capability using ECRS-MK1 radar)

The Leonardo UK‘s GaN/GaAs hybrid radar with over 1600 T/R modules on the UK Typhoon, is so powerful that it can fry adversary planes’ electronics even before the adversary has seen It . This radar opens up such new avenues that by the time we are in a position to order the optional 20 planes, newer technologies may even be added to the package.

But hopefully we will not need to order any more of these as our KAAN will be in the skies in good numbers by then. Unless of course our partnership goes beyond buyers and sellers, and Hurjet and Kaan and Tempest family become part of the same partnership in one way or another.

 

[begturan]

The size of the contract may indirectly indicate a very large-scale infrastructure investment. I believe that line and base maintenance levels are already indispensable requirements for the air force. However, if there are plans to supply additional fighters in future packages, I do not rule out the possibility that heavy maintenance processes may also be carried out by the air force after a certain period. Another issue is system integration and, in particular, the localization of weapon systems.

I would very much like to hear news about the integration of domestically produced weapon systems. Especially for air-to-air and air-to-ground standoff missile groups.

Although the financial scale of the contract will inevitably spark prolonged debate under any circumstances, setting that aspect aside for now; it is undoubtedly a significant step toward making certain risks our country faces more manageable until KAAN achieves operational capability, by partially addressing our air force's urgent need for intercept aircraft using one of the currently available options. I wish it well for our homeland and our nation.

I suspect there's also a potential for domestic ammunition integration, and it could involve other permits or technology access we don't know about.

Turkey is very tricky when it comes to negotiations. Recall our last air defense purchase, where the parties were forced to offer incredible opportunities and competitive prices. I don't think we were ripped off, but I suspect we received concessions and privileges.

They have to sell us something, if they don't it forces Turkiye to look to Russia, China etc. From my perspective the NATO side of the story always does the bare minimum for us. Basically just enough to keep us on side but never enough to truly help us with our regional problems.

This is how they are able to play a double game. Support our enemies, support terrorism against us, promote the agenda in their media and internationalise a domestic issue to the detriment of Turkiye.

So basically they do just enough to make sure they get the best outcome concerning Turkiye. As far as were concerned "beggars cannot be choosers". Going towards Russia, China is no good for us, USA, Europe is the lessor devil but its not great either.

So here we are, dumped out the F35 predictably so. Delayed by many years concerning fighter jet procurement and now were buying from the English and you hope if tomorrow you need to act in syria, the east med, cyprus or anywhere really that they don't pull an american on you. And the British are globally known for their games.

There was a recent boris johnson internview where he's talking about how the British sold the shah of iran billions of dollars worth of british tanks. This was when the british were plotting the coup against his government. They took the money, the coup occurred and the tanks never arrived in Iran. He's laughing as he's saying these things.

The Ottoman battleships built and paid for in England (Sultan Osman, Reşadiye, etc.) were seized by England as a precautionary measure and wartime pretext before/at the beginning of World War I. England retained some of the ships and used them in its own navy, but this remains a footnote, as you said they are unreliable.

 

[Yasar_TR]

The Ottoman battleships built and paid for in England (Sultan Osman, Reşadiye, etc.) were seized by England as a precautionary measure and wartime pretext before/at the beginning of World War I. England retained some of the ships and used them in its own navy, but this remains a footnote, as you said they are unreliable.

You can never rely on any country in general. The friendship between countries depend on mutual advantages. Our close relations with Great Britain before the WW1 (remember war of Crimea) helped us to order those 2 ships in 1911 and in 1914. GB empire wanted an Ottoman Empire that was on their side. When war broke out and they needed those ships themselves they kept them.
On top of it we entered the war on the German side a couple of months later. So they never paid back the money they received.

Think of it : total conjecture but….
We are building 2 Milgem ships for Ukraine. We enter the war against Russia and Ukraine joins Russia to fight against us because they have good concessions from the Russians. Do we still give those ships to Ukraine?

With countries, today’s friends can turn in to tomorrow’s enemies very easily. Look at Russia and Germany in WW2. Best buddies carved up Poland between them. Then they turned on each other.

We need to learn to stand on our two feet. We are in the Western block. But we only have allies that are going to help us if it helps them too.

 

[Ripley]

Unless of course our partnership goes beyond buyers and sellers, and Hurjet and Kaan and Tempest family become part of the same partnership in one way or another.

Abi ağzından bal damlıyor
Such sweet and encouraging words. From your mouth to God’s ear, Inshallah.

 

[TR_123456]

We need to learn to stand on our two feet

This!!!

 

[mehmed beg]

You can never rely on any country in general. The friendship between countries depend on mutual advantages. Our close relations with Great Britain before the WW1 (remember war of Crimea) helped us to order those 2 ships in 1911 and in 1914. GB empire wanted an Ottoman Empire that was on their side. When war broke out and they needed those ships themselves they kept them.
On top of it we entered the war on the German side a couple of months later. So they never paid back the money they received.

Think of it : total conjecture but….
We are building 2 Milgem ships for Ukraine. We enter the war against Russia and Ukraine joins Russia to fight against us because they have good concessions from the Russians. Do we still give those ships to Ukraine?

With countries, today’s friends can turn in to tomorrow’s enemies very easily. Look at Russia and Germany in WW2. Best buddies carved up Poland between them. Then they turned on each other.

We need to learn to stand on our two feet. We are in the Western block. But we only have allies that are going to help us if it helps them too.

While Torries were in charge Ottomans had good relationship with Britain, Deisraeli was friend with Turks and by the way enemy of the Jews. When the Whigs (
Liberals) were in charge, the story was different.
Ribbentrop Molotov pact wasn' t the pact among the buddies.
Anyway

 

[Quasar]

A real paranoid question but by any chance U.S Foreign Military Sales (FMS) to Turkey have any provisions concerning AIM 120 and AIM 9X .... I mean using them on EF typhoon....?

EF typhoon is truely feels like what a stop gap solution feels like, I am relived but not totally satisfied at the same time,

On the one hand I am excited about Metor and posibility of integration of domestic weapons, on the other hand cant say the same for lets say ASRAAM (in undelyning concept ASRAAM is closer to BOZDĞAN than Lets say IRIS-T or AIM 9X even though it has the same seeker with AIM 9X) or Brimstone or potantial others.... a realization that we have more domestic options than we may be offered with EF as weapon options

 

[begturan]

You can never rely on any country in general. The friendship between countries depend on mutual advantages. Our close relations with Great Britain before the WW1 (remember war of Crimea) helped us to order those 2 ships in 1911 and in 1914. GB empire wanted an Ottoman Empire that was on their side. When war broke out and they needed those ships themselves they kept them.
On top of it we entered the war on the German side a couple of months later. So they never paid back the money they received.

Think of it : total conjecture but….
We are building 2 Milgem ships for Ukraine. We enter the war against Russia and Ukraine joins Russia to fight against us because they have good concessions from the Russians. Do we still give those ships to Ukraine?

With countries, today’s friends can turn in to tomorrow’s enemies very easily. Look at Russia and Germany in WW2. Best buddies carved up Poland between them. Then they turned on each other.

We need to learn to stand on our two feet. We are in the Western block. But we only have allies that are going to help us if it helps them too.

You said very well, thats the point actually.

 

[Spitfire9]

EF typhoon is truely feels like what a stop gap solution feels like, I am relived but not totally satisfied at the same time,

Not such a bad choice to get out of a bad situation? I have no idea if it includes authority to integrate Turkish weapons . Does anybody know?

Expensive, certainly but weren't new F-16's going to be expensive, too?