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Looks like replacement is coming earlier than we thought hopefully.
C390 looking good now maybe some extra a400m plus new tankers.
Overall it looks like airforce will need to completely overhaul their logistics fleet.
Ideal layout 2040:
15 A400m
10-15 c390
15 c130j/E
50-60 cn 235
10-15 a330 mrtt
 

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First of all, may the souls of all our soldiers rest in peace.

Many possibilities come to mind, but it's best to wait for the results of our government's investigation. The possibilities that come to mind are:

1- Maintenance error or negligence,
2- Sabotage of the aircraft before takeoff,
3- Possibility of being shot down,

These options carry many possibilities in themselves. This is a truly tragic incident. Necessary steps must be taken against those responsible. The root of the problem must be addressed.

Something that has always concerned and really concerns me since the mossad pager bombing, does Turkiye have a method of checking parts coming from overseas to see if they have been tampered with?
 

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Im gonna be honest here we shouldnt resort to conspiracy theories unless proven. If mossad wants to hit Turkiye so bad wouldnt they target the Airbus A400s? A400s are much more better and advanced than the C130?
 

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So Turkiye bought the plane from Saudi Arabia. Im not really against surplus as long as its maintained right and properly. Still i would take new over surplus anyday.

I find it stupid how some posters are blaming Saudi Arabia when the purchase happened around 2012 or 2013. Its been 13 years for once lets take responsibility
 

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Something that has always concerned and really concerns me since the mossad pager bombing, does Turkiye have a method of checking parts coming from overseas to see if they have been tampered with?
Official authorities have to do an in depth research to ensure that there are no questions left in our minds. Not only electronics buying people is very easy nowadays, they can easily find someone to do this.
 

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C-130B/E fleet is grounded as of yesterday until checks are completed.

Q/A from today's weekly briefing:

"1. Was ammunition carried on the aircraft?

Our aircraft was carrying personnel and aircraft maintenance supplies. There was no ammunition on board.

2. Is there any evidence as to the cause of the aircraft's crash?

It is too early to comment on this matter at this time. The cause of the incident will be clarified following the ongoing accident investigation.

3. Is it true that a helicopter was detected in the area on radar recordings at the same time?

It was a Georgian helicopter that went to the area after our aircraft crashed and attempted to make contact with our aircraft.

4. Is it true that an aircraft decommissioned by Saudi Arabia was purchased?

The aircraft in question was purchased from Saudi Arabia on January 21, 2012, and after completion of maintenance, it was added to the inventory in 2014. It was modernized and returned to service in 2022.

It has been in service with regular maintenance since then. However, as claimed, it is not a decommissioned aircraft by the user country, but rather a surplus aircraft. C-130 aircraft continue to be used by Saudi Arabia.

5. Was the downed aircraft old and poorly maintained?

There are no old aircraft, only poorly maintained aircraft. The aircraft in question are regularly maintained by our country. C-130 aircraft are currently in active use in more than 70 countries.
An examination of the downed aircraft's maintenance history reveals:

- The aircraft underwent Erciyes Avionics modernization, and scheduled airframe, engine, and propeller maintenance was completed on time.
- The last maintenance was performed between September 11 and October 12, 2025.

6. Is it true that the black box was brought to our country for examination?

The FDR (FLIGHT DATA RECORDER) and CVDR (COCKPIT VOICE DATA RECORDER) devices, known as the black boxes belonging to our downed aircraft, were brought to our country for examination and examined in Ankara.

7. Will the other C-130 aircraft in the inventory continue their flights?

Our aircraft have been grounded as a precautionary measure as of November 12, 2025. Flights will resume after all technical inspections and inspections have been completed."

 

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So,i think this a plausible cause,


"visual proof that the wings detached from the fuselage and spiraled to the ground" doesn't exist. Videos we have clearly show that wingbox is still in one piece and fuselage tied to it is attached the wings.
 

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video our accident and the reconstuction of 2017 accident is almost identical

From what's available, in the TUAF543 crash, tail separated first. It was found in a location farther from both the wing assembly and the cockpit and it can't be seen on the videos.
 

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The whole ordeal had made me remember that in the past we supposedly were to co-produce the Ukrainian An-70 plane to replace our fleet some years ago. Whatever happened to that? I had completely forgotten about it until this tragic accident.
 

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We need an engine to make our own cargo transporter, tanker and passenger planes. We can wait until after our Kaan engine design work is complete for a focused work but we should start its design work as a side job at once. The world is going towards self sufficiency rather than codependency.
 

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I can’t see propellers on the left hand side inner engine.
As per the US C130 accident shared by @Tornadoss at a previous post here, the propeller blade may have broken off and sliced the front cabin off the fuselage. Engine parts hitting the tail and fuselage plus extreme stress could have broken off the tail portion.

We can only guesstimate about it. It will take 7-10 days for the black box information to be fully analysed. So best is to wait.

But whatever the cause it is a tragic event that should teach us to take precautions so that nothing like it can happen again.
 

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We need an engine to make our own cargo transporter, tanker and passenger planes. We can wait until after our Kaan engine design work is complete for a focused work but we should start its design work as a side job at once. The world is going towards self sufficiency rather than codependency.
Wouldn't make sense in terms of finance. Low potential of foreign sales also Turaf doesn't expect an embargo on Logistics equipment
 

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Wouldn't make sense in terms of finance. Low potential of foreign sales also Turaf doesn't expect an embargo on Logistics equipment
For how long, you would be too late to start making once you start expecting sanctions, profitability isn't everything, you need to prepare the capability. We go for an engine that can be used in all of our medium size planes which would be an Airbus 320Neo size with a 2 meter turbofan.

We need to move up the technology ladder to not get trapped in the middle income trap. We are not good at microelectronics, we are not good at nuclear, neither are we at space tech. But aviation is an easier target, even Brazil can do it although without the engines. Foreign sales can improve over time once you become a reliable supplier.

You could very well say the same words for our Kaan program yet there we are flying it, and expecting the engine to also power it.
 
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