TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Atilla77]

Notice how outdated the fighter jets involved in the Ukrainian war are: the Su-24, Su-27, MiG-29, and even the Yak-52 trainers and others. Tanks: the T-55, T-62, armored personnel carriers, and infantry fighting vehicles from the 1960s...

Many countries retain even the most obsolete military equipment. The Ukrainians even have a Maxim machine gun from World War I. Anything can come in handy.
Over time, both fighter jets and pilots become obsolete. But they represent a very valuable reserve. In wartime, if 50- or 60-year-old pilots are called up, they will have a hard time retraining on new, more advanced fighters. Therefore, they will have to fly older ones, such as the F-4.

It's better to have 200 obsolete aircraft than 100.
Quantity matters, too.

Agreed. An F-16 shot down an Su-35 in Ukraine and F-16 is an inferior platform to the Eurofighter. Eurofighter may not be 5th gen but its still a top of the line aircraft and superior to the Rafale.

 

[Radko]

Agreed. An F-16 shot down an Su-35 in Ukraine and F-16 is an inferior platform to the Eurofighter. Eurofighter may not be 5th gen but its still a top of the line aircraft and superior to the Rafale.

When did this exactly happen..?

 

[Atilla77]

When did this exactly happen..?

Just learned its unconfirmed. But wasn't denied either and no further information since. Guess we wont know for sure for some time.

Claims Swirl Around Russian Su-35S Flanker Shootdown

Unverified reports suggest that an F-16, and perhaps also a Saab 340 radar plane, were involved in shooting down the Russian Flanker. Unverified reports suggest that an F-16, and perhaps also a Saab 340 radar plane, were involved in shooting down the Russian Flanker.

www.twz.com

 

[UkroTurk]

Agreed. An F-16 shot down an Su-35 in Ukraine and F-16 is an inferior platform to the Eurofighter. Eurofighter may not be 5th gen but its still a top of the line aircraft and superior to the Rafale.

Saab ready to open plant in Ukraine for Gripen fighter jets

Kyiv agrees to buy up to 150 aircraft from the Swedish defence company

www.ft.com

Although Gripen is the weakest , Ukraine is to buy 100-150 Gripens.


Damn, if RR supplied with Jet engines, unlimited production of KE would be possible.

I dunno, I am confused if Turkish fighter weren't twin engined and didn't long combat range, Europeans wouldnt piss off and they could supply with engines?

As I said before, make KE Manned!!! until indigenous engines for Kaan are ready.

 

[King_West]

Saab ready to open plant in Ukraine for Gripen fighter jets

Kyiv agrees to buy up to 150 aircraft from the Swedish defence company

www.ft.com

Although Gripen is the weakest , Ukraine is to buy 100-150 Gripens.


Damn, if RR supplied with Jet engines, unlimited production of KE would be possible.

I dunno, I am confused if Turkish fighter weren't twin engined and didn't long combat range, Europeans wouldnt piss off and they could supply with engines?
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As I said before, make KE Manned!!! until indigenous engines for Kaan are ready.

You can easily make a manned fighter unmanned; but to make an unmanned fighter manned is not realistic at all.

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1986377144222527663

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1986377144222527663

Since Eurofighter agreement has been signed, we will have a stronger hand this time, let's see if it'll work.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Since Eurofighter agreement has been signed, we will have a stronger hand this time, let's see if it'll work.

why is that? The americans aren't that desperate to sell aircraft as the british

 

[Numberone]

why is that? The americans aren't that desperate to sell aircraft as the british

Because they will lose Turkey forever. Cooperation with the europeans is growing, EF is our first non american jet in decades.

 

[Sanchez]

EF is our first non american jet in decades

In forever, if you do not count license built American jets.

 

[Ripley]

why is that? The americans aren't that desperate to sell aircraft as the british

Not desperate but as it scares, leave its allies alone and sometimes dump them in favor of another, one by one its irritated allies will stay away from US weapon systems.

 

[Yasar_TR]

F16 Viper düğümü çözülüyor mu? ABD yerine yerli ve milli sistemler takılacak... Uzman isim: Türkiye 2035'te 350-400 uçağa sahip olacak!

Türk Hava Kuvvetlerindeki F16'ların modernizasyonu ve hava kuvvetlerine ek 40 adet F16 Block-70 alınması yönünde yeni bir dönemece girildi. Dış basın,...

bigpara.hurriyet.com.tr

Well according to this news, the real stumbling block between Türkiye and US is :
1. Our insistence in getting hold of source codes.
2. Our intention of adding not just our munitions but, adding our Aesa radar together with our avionics to the new planes.

This is due to exorbitant prices LM has been requesting to allow us to do it.

I don't know how this will pan out. But if any of our munitions or electronics, including our Aesa radar is to be fitted on to new F16 planes, then the construction of those planes will have to be done in Türkiye. We don't want our electronics being handled by foreign sources. Even if they are supposed to be our "allies".

 

[Sanchez]

2. Our intention of adding not just our munitions but, adding our Aesa radar together with our avionics to the new planes.

How does that really work with IVEWS with which we supposedly funded?

 

[Pokemonte13]

Well according to this news, the real stumbling block between Türkiye and US is :
1. Our insistence in getting hold of source codes.
2. Our intention of adding not just our munitions but, adding our Aesa radar together with our avionics to the new planes.

If want to add our own electronics right away wouldn't it make more sense to buy some older block 50/52 from USAF as they want to get rid of them anyway. Preferably one with low flight hours and then put them through özgür mod. Would be cheaper for us and worthwhile for the americans getting money for something they wouldn't. LM would still want money for the rights but overall price tag would be lower

 

[Lool]

If want to add our own electronics right away wouldn't it make more sense to buy some older block 50/52 from USAF as they want to get rid of them anyway. Preferably one with low flight hours and then put them through özgür mod. Would be cheaper for us and worthwhile for the americans getting money for something they wouldn't. LM would still want money for the rights but overall price tag would be lower

The US doesnt want that
It wants Turkey to buy brand new, ultra expensive, F16 Viper jets to keep the F16 production line going, gain more profits, and keep more people employed

 

[boredaf]

why is that? The americans aren't that desperate to sell aircraft as the british

It's not about yanks being desperate, its about the fact that we aren't anymore. If they refuse us and say "Take it or leave it" we now have the option to say "Alright, we'll leave and take our billions to Europe", obviously it wouldn't happen like this but it still gives us more options than before.

Also, while LM is selling a lot of jets, they would love to sell more and wouldn't want to lose our billions, that would prevent the numbers at the end of the financial year from going higher.

 

[TR_123456]

It's not about yanks being desperate, its about the fact that we aren't anymore. If they refuse us and say "Take it or leave it" we now have the option to say "Alright, we'll leave and take our billions to Europe", obviously it wouldn't happen like this but it still gives us more options than before.

Also, while LM is selling a lot of jets, they would love to sell more and wouldn't want to lose our billions, that would prevent the numbers at the end of the financial year from going higher.

And dont forget the Trump factor,he is a businessman who wants to earn money for himself or his country.
He will try anything to make it work.

 

[Yasar_TR]

How does that really work with IVEWS with which we supposedly funded?

I don’t quite understand what you mean with above question. But…..
As I understand it, we originally, have chosen to use IVIEWS (Integrated Viper Electronic Warfare Suite) of Northrop Grumman on our new F16V70 planes should we buy it as it is offered.

But above article claims that we aspire to use Murad Aesa radar with our electronics on these planes. Probably because they have found that with extra power they can get a lot more out of Murad than the AN/APG83 that comes on the plane as standard. For that, according to the above article, LM is asking too much money to release source codes. That is the stumbling block.

Whether IVIEWS is compatible with our radar and electronics is another mystery. Most likely that we had rather use our own EW suite on these planes than a US product.

According to all this info, we are asking LM to give us the license to build a shell of a plane with engines and its control mechanisms. The avionics, Aesa radar and munitions, we will provide.
One may think : How on earth will they agree to that? But if there is a price that we are discussing about ; then they maybe inclined to accept it at a price!

 

[begturan]

Who buy weapons take orders. We are now a country that produces and even sells weapons. If we buy weapons, we nationalize them, obtain source codes, or obtain special permits.

As far as I understand, we won't buy weapons unless they accept these terms, and that's the way it should be. Selling us weapons doesn't mean you can tell us what to do. We demand full access to weapons, regardless of the cost, and we refuse to interference...

 

[Khagan1923]

Since Eurofighter agreement has been signed, we will have a stronger hand this time, let's see if it'll work.

It wasn't posted here but Erdogan also sent a message across the pond two days ago.

"We will continue to grow our partnerships with Europe in the military sector after Eurofighter..."

Lockheed is also facing problems with the production in its new facility in South Carolina....