TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Strong AI]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/800231235389943808

Whats going on?

Look at the date...

 

[Pokemonte13]

Look at the date...

my bad

 

[BalkanTurk90]

An unlimited number of Kızılelma and Anka3 can shift the balance of air power to our side in 3 years before any new foreign jet can be inducted.

Heavy Electronic attack by enemy and can you still use kizilelma or other drones ! While manned jets are another matter , they still can fly under electronic attack and at least bring jet back home not into the sea or at enemy airbase

 

[boredaf]

An unlimited number of Kızılelma and Anka3 can shift the balance of air power to our side in 3 years before any new foreign jet can be inducted.

In what world do we get "unlimited" number of KE and Anka-3 in 3 years, exactly? Because it is quite literally impossible in this one that we occupy right now.

We don't know how many Ukrainian engines we have now, nor do we know how many we can get over the course of next 3 years. However, we do know that their factory has been bombed multiple times over the course of the war, one being very recently.

We know that TF6000 is still going through ground testing, which is far from over, and then it'll have to go through another set of tests in the air. We also know that TF10000 hasn't been built or at the very least fired yet. After that, it'll have to go through ground tests first, then, it'll have to go through aerial testing.

Erdoğan himself said it probably wouldn't be ready before 2028 for TF6000 a couple of years ago, TEI engineers has said they expected it to start qualification tests by 2028 as well, some time last year. TEI CEO said TF10000 would be started in a few years, just this year.

So, please explain to me, how are we getting "unlimited number of KE and Anka 3" in 3 years, in a logical manner that is based on facts and basic understanding of physical reality.

 

[what]

An unlimited number of Kızılelma and Anka3 can shift the balance of air power to our side in 3 years before any new foreign jet can be inducted.

An unlimited number of ducks can kill a tiger too eventually.
But no such thing as unlimited.

 

[Zafer]

An unlimited number of ducks can kill a tiger too eventually.
But no such thing as unlimited.

When you make the plane yourself you are only bound by how many you want to make. The US made 48.000 planes in a year during WW2. Compared to only a couple hundred a couple thousand is unlimited.

 

[Atilla77]

Notice how outdated the fighter jets involved in the Ukrainian war are: the Su-24, Su-27, MiG-29, and even the Yak-52 trainers and others. Tanks: the T-55, T-62, armored personnel carriers, and infantry fighting vehicles from the 1960s...

Many countries retain even the most obsolete military equipment. The Ukrainians even have a Maxim machine gun from World War I. Anything can come in handy.
Over time, both fighter jets and pilots become obsolete. But they represent a very valuable reserve. In wartime, if 50- or 60-year-old pilots are called up, they will have a hard time retraining on new, more advanced fighters. Therefore, they will have to fly older ones, such as the F-4.

It's better to have 200 obsolete aircraft than 100.
Quantity matters, too.

Agreed. An F-16 shot down an Su-35 in Ukraine and F-16 is an inferior platform to the Eurofighter. Eurofighter may not be 5th gen but its still a top of the line aircraft and superior to the Rafale.

 

[Radko]

Agreed. An F-16 shot down an Su-35 in Ukraine and F-16 is an inferior platform to the Eurofighter. Eurofighter may not be 5th gen but its still a top of the line aircraft and superior to the Rafale.

When did this exactly happen..?

 

[Atilla77]

When did this exactly happen..?

Just learned its unconfirmed. But wasn't denied either and no further information since. Guess we wont know for sure for some time.

Claims Swirl Around Russian Su-35S Flanker Shootdown

Unverified reports suggest that an F-16, and perhaps also a Saab 340 radar plane, were involved in shooting down the Russian Flanker. Unverified reports suggest that an F-16, and perhaps also a Saab 340 radar plane, were involved in shooting down the Russian Flanker.

www.twz.com

 

[UkroTurk]

Agreed. An F-16 shot down an Su-35 in Ukraine and F-16 is an inferior platform to the Eurofighter. Eurofighter may not be 5th gen but its still a top of the line aircraft and superior to the Rafale.

Saab ready to open plant in Ukraine for Gripen fighter jets

Kyiv agrees to buy up to 150 aircraft from the Swedish defence company

www.ft.com

Although Gripen is the weakest , Ukraine is to buy 100-150 Gripens.


Damn, if RR supplied with Jet engines, unlimited production of KE would be possible.

I dunno, I am confused if Turkish fighter weren't twin engined and didn't long combat range, Europeans wouldnt piss off and they could supply with engines?

As I said before, make KE Manned!!! until indigenous engines for Kaan are ready.

 

[King_West]

Saab ready to open plant in Ukraine for Gripen fighter jets

Kyiv agrees to buy up to 150 aircraft from the Swedish defence company

www.ft.com

Although Gripen is the weakest , Ukraine is to buy 100-150 Gripens.


Damn, if RR supplied with Jet engines, unlimited production of KE would be possible.

I dunno, I am confused if Turkish fighter weren't twin engined and didn't long combat range, Europeans wouldnt piss off and they could supply with engines?
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As I said before, make KE Manned!!! until indigenous engines for Kaan are ready.

You can easily make a manned fighter unmanned; but to make an unmanned fighter manned is not realistic at all.

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1986377144222527663

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1986377144222527663

Since Eurofighter agreement has been signed, we will have a stronger hand this time, let's see if it'll work.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Since Eurofighter agreement has been signed, we will have a stronger hand this time, let's see if it'll work.

why is that? The americans aren't that desperate to sell aircraft as the british

 

[Numberone]

why is that? The americans aren't that desperate to sell aircraft as the british

Because they will lose Turkey forever. Cooperation with the europeans is growing, EF is our first non american jet in decades.

 

[Sanchez]

EF is our first non american jet in decades

In forever, if you do not count license built American jets.

 

[Ripley]

why is that? The americans aren't that desperate to sell aircraft as the british

Not desperate but as it scares, leave its allies alone and sometimes dump them in favor of another, one by one its irritated allies will stay away from US weapon systems.

 

[Yasar_TR]

F16 Viper düğümü çözülüyor mu? ABD yerine yerli ve milli sistemler takılacak... Uzman isim: Türkiye 2035'te 350-400 uçağa sahip olacak!

Türk Hava Kuvvetlerindeki F16'ların modernizasyonu ve hava kuvvetlerine ek 40 adet F16 Block-70 alınması yönünde yeni bir dönemece girildi. Dış basın,...

bigpara.hurriyet.com.tr

Well according to this news, the real stumbling block between Türkiye and US is :
1. Our insistence in getting hold of source codes.
2. Our intention of adding not just our munitions but, adding our Aesa radar together with our avionics to the new planes.

This is due to exorbitant prices LM has been requesting to allow us to do it.

I don't know how this will pan out. But if any of our munitions or electronics, including our Aesa radar is to be fitted on to new F16 planes, then the construction of those planes will have to be done in Türkiye. We don't want our electronics being handled by foreign sources. Even if they are supposed to be our "allies".

 

[Sanchez]

2. Our intention of adding not just our munitions but, adding our Aesa radar together with our avionics to the new planes.

How does that really work with IVEWS with which we supposedly funded?

 

[Pokemonte13]

Well according to this news, the real stumbling block between Türkiye and US is :
1. Our insistence in getting hold of source codes.
2. Our intention of adding not just our munitions but, adding our Aesa radar together with our avionics to the new planes.

If want to add our own electronics right away wouldn't it make more sense to buy some older block 50/52 from USAF as they want to get rid of them anyway. Preferably one with low flight hours and then put them through özgür mod. Would be cheaper for us and worthwhile for the americans getting money for something they wouldn't. LM would still want money for the rights but overall price tag would be lower