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[BalkanTurk90]

An unlimited number of Kızılelma and Anka3 can shift the balance of air power to our side in 3 years before any new foreign jet can be inducted.

Heavy Electronic attack by enemy and can you still use kizilelma or other drones ! While manned jets are another matter , they still can fly under electronic attack and at least bring jet back home not into the sea or at enemy airbase

 

[Zafer]

Heavy Electronic attack by enemy and can you still use kizilelma or other drones ! While manned jets are another matter , they still can fly under electronic attack and at least bring jet back home not into the sea or at enemy airbase

Even TB2 comes back

 

[Sanchez]

Even TB2 comes back

Debatable, there have been cases of Baykar drones dropping without missile/gun damage over unfriendly territory; it's not a guarantee, probably 60 to 40. EW and counter EW is hard.

30 Used UK T1

There are no 30 RAF T1s. That number is like 18 at most, including the birds to be cannibalized.

 

[boredaf]

An unlimited number of Kızılelma and Anka3 can shift the balance of air power to our side in 3 years before any new foreign jet can be inducted.

In what world do we get "unlimited" number of KE and Anka-3 in 3 years, exactly? Because it is quite literally impossible in this one that we occupy right now.

We don't know how many Ukrainian engines we have now, nor do we know how many we can get over the course of next 3 years. However, we do know that their factory has been bombed multiple times over the course of the war, one being very recently.

We know that TF6000 is still going through ground testing, which is far from over, and then it'll have to go through another set of tests in the air. We also know that TF10000 hasn't been built or at the very least fired yet. After that, it'll have to go through ground tests first, then, it'll have to go through aerial testing.

Erdoğan himself said it probably wouldn't be ready before 2028 for TF6000 a couple of years ago, TEI engineers has said they expected it to start qualification tests by 2028 as well, some time last year. TEI CEO said TF10000 would be started in a few years, just this year.

So, please explain to me, how are we getting "unlimited number of KE and Anka 3" in 3 years, in a logical manner that is based on facts and basic understanding of physical reality.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Debatable, there have been cases of Baykar drones dropping without missile/gun damage over unfriendly territory; it's not a guarantee, probably 60 to 40. EW and counter EW is hard.


There are no 30 RAF T1s. That number is like 18 at most, including the birds to be cannibalized.

UK had 52 T1 and 26 / 30 have been retired only 4 are active and will be retired in 2027 , T2 in 2030 but we can go aslo for T2 which we can buy very cheap use them for training , spare parts even modernise with our modern systems and UKA HAVE 60+ t2

 

[Sanchez]

UK had 52 T1 and 26 / 30 have been retired only 4 are active and will be retired in 2027

Of those retired, most are not in a flyable condition as far as we are aware; maybe like 15, not including the 4 jets in the Falklands, because they are not letting those go before 2027. They are still yet to order new aircraft.

If this buy finally happens, there's also the training. I had talked about the joint Qatari-RAF 12SQN in the past. We'll probably see a similar arrangement with RAF. But, do they have the birds to allocate?

HvKK chief visited the 12 joint RAF/Qatari squadron as RAF chief's guest. (aircraft shown here however is from the 11 Squadron from the same base). I think they are actively studying creating a joint Turkish/RAF squadron for training. as we previously discussed.

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