TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Yasar_TR]

İ can't imagine how 200 kg gliding bomb with 90kg explosive would waste a MBT. Big drones could be loaded for antitank and anti ship roles. Great ammunition.

There was a picture taken in Iraq, of an M1Abrams tank turned upside down, sitting on it‘s turret after a 155mm round exploded right next to it. A 155mm round weighs ~43.2kg and contains 6.6 kg of explosives. Do not underestimate the power of HE rounds. 90 kg of explosives is HUGE!
Look what has happened to a centurian tank hit by a 155mm shell;

155mm M107 HE High Explosive Artillery Cartridge

The 155mm M107 High Explosive (HE) Artillery Cartridge is a conventional standard High Explosive projectile for all current 155mm Howitzers.

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[Yasar_TR]

ROKETSAN - Stand-Off Ammunition 'SOM'

Low radar coverage, big impact: SOM!
Stand-off Ammunition SOM used from air to ground against land and mobile naval targets, outside the range of air defense missile systems:
Particle-effect warhead,
Earth referenced navigation system,
with automatic target detection and low visibility features
In all circumstances, at the disposal of our country!

Most important properties of SOM missile is it’s constructional geometry, materials and paint. They impart a “stealth” property to the missile. With a very low RCS , this makes the missile deadly. I can’t wait to see the C and J versions of this missile which will allow it to hit moving sea targets.
The current active A & B versions can not hit moving sea targets!

 

[Timur]

There was a picture taken in Iraq, of an M1Abrams tank turned upside down, sitting on it‘s turret after a 155mm round exploded right next to it. A 155mm round weighs ~43.2kg and contains 6.6 kg of explosives. Do not underestimate the power of HE rounds. 90 kg of explosives is HUGE!
Look what has happened to a centurian tank hit by a 155mm shell;
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155mm M107 HE High Explosive Artillery Cartridge

The 155mm M107 High Explosive (HE) Artillery Cartridge is a conventional standard High Explosive projectile for all current 155mm Howitzers.

www.gd-ots.com

the thing is will the crew survive a 155mm round or not wouldnt the shockwave the direct /close impact be enough to kill them and make the tank at least inable to move?

 

[Yasar_TR]

the thing is will the crew survive a 155mm round or not wouldnt the shockwave the direct /close impact be enough to kill them and make the tank at least inable to move?

Crew may survive. But the tank is close to destroyed with a 155mm round. But with a Teber or Lacin (moving target version of Teber) delivering 89 kg of explosives no tank would stand a chance. It would totally demolish the tank. There won’t be much left of the crew either as the whole armoury of the tank would also blow up.
quote:
The Mk-82/83/84 can all kill tanks - 82 you need to hit directly, 83 needs to hit within a couple of feet, 84 has a slightly higher margin it can miss with and still kill.
unquote.
As Teber or especially Lacin will hit the tank spot on and most likely from its most vulnerable point, the top; the tank is a gonner!!!

 

[Philip the Arab]

Crew may survive. But the tank is close to destroyed.with a 155mm round. But with a Teber or Lacin (moving target version of Teber) delivering 89 kg of explosives no tank would stand a chance. It would totally demolish the tank. There won’t be much left of the crew either as the whole armoury of the tank would also blow up.
quote:
The Mk-82/83/84 can all kill tanks - 82 you need to hit directly, 83 needs to hit within a couple of feet, 84 has a slightly higher margin it can miss with and still kill.
unquote.
As Teber or especially Lacin will hit the tank spot on and most likely from its most vulnerable point, the top; the tank is a gonner!!!

What about decoys like in the war this year?

 

[Yasar_TR]

What about decoys like in the war this year?

What about it? I don’t quite understand your question. What has it got anything to do with hitting a tank with a missile and it’s survival? Can you explain what you mean pls?

 

[Philip the Arab]

What about it? I don’t quite understand your question. What has it got anything to do with hitting a tank with a missile and it’s survival? Can you explain what you mean pls?

I mean how can this missile differentiate between a decoy, and a real target that have similar signatures. Wont that be a waste of money to use this on a target.

 

[Kartal1]

I mean how can this missile differentiate between a decoy, and a real target that have similar signatures. Wont that be a waste of money to use this on a target.

Then better not bomb anything because it can be a decoy. Also no need for cruise missiles...

 

[Philip the Arab]

Then better not bomb anything because it can be a decoy. Also no need for cruise missiles...

How can you counter decoys though?

 

[Agha Sher]

How can you counter decoys though?

Decoys can easily be identified when checking for a heat signature.

 

[AzeriTank]

Decoys can easily be identified when checking for a heat signature.

thats why som use Thermal imagining head, its almost impossible to hack it, but its speed cannot pass mach speed as the thermal head might heat up and not find the right target.. thats why normally it goes with 0.8 or 0.9 mach speed/

 

[Yasar_TR]

I mean how can this missile differentiate between a decoy, and a real target that have similar signatures. Wont that be a waste of money to use this on a target.

Missiles can not differentiate between decoys and real targets themselves apart from infrared heat signatures. But;
Turkish company Meteksan makes a SAR (Synthetic Aperture Radar) millimetre radar called MILSAR especially produced for use on UAV’s. This radar can work as a FLIR from a range of 27km. It can differentiate between decoys and real targets. It can categorise if people on the ground are civilian or military. It can differentiate between civilian vehicles and military vehicles. It also puts them in order of importance. Once the UAV operator is furnished with the right information it can decide what to hit. Alternatively MILSAR electronics and AI on board can take it on itself and guides the missile to the correct target.

 

[Philip the Arab]

thats why som use Thermal imagining head, its almost impossible to hack it, but its speed cannot pass mach speed as the thermal head might heat up and not find the right target.. thats why normally it goes with 0.8 or 0.9 mach speed/

Even than some decoys fake exact thermal signature to copy the target. I'm just thinking of concrete solutions and I dont think there is any 100% effective.

Copying rcs, thermal, and tv signatures seems very effective.

 

[Kartal1]

How can you counter decoys though?

If you have a chance for detailed observation or the needed intelligence network. As you stated above copying RCS, thermal signatures isn't something complicated. Even the TSK used a tank decoy against the YPG ATGM teams. I don't think the solution is within the capability of a missile or munition. If one wants he can copy exactly the look of a system and imitate a heat, RCS signature. A possible solution for within visual range operation is integrated an AI based target categorization, prioritizing adviser system which is purposing to the commander a target with the information that the sensors obtain. I am not sure how accurate it will be tho. Such a system would require very high resolution sensors in order to be able to receive detailed information on which the AI system could work and analyze in order to be accurate. I don't think for now we have such capability. Comparable AI system aiding the operators in categorizing and recognition of different types of vehicles is being developed by a French company. They demonstrated some capabilities in a video in the France Defence Forum here in the website and the poster was @Vergennes .

We got a little bit off topic but just to conclude I would say the following: There is no certain way of recognizing decoys (especially land based) in such complicated environment where there are no lab conditions. Our systems have their limitations for today which are making it hard. I would say the most effective way of recognizing such decoys are as I said above means of detailed observation, good intelligence work and good trained and experienced crews/operators which are capable to take hard decisions fast enough in uncertain and heavy environment.

 

[Brave Janissary]

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[Cabatli_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1344962607648821248

 

[Hexciter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1345422885419102208

 

[adenl]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1345422885419102208

Obvious development but still no official confirmation.

 

[Hexciter]

Supply phase started in Miniature Bomb
To be used by F-16 and AUAV platforms

Minyatür Bomba’da tedarik aşaması başlatıldı | SavunmaSanayiST

Minyatür Bomba (MB) Projesi kapsamında, tedarik aşaması başlatıldı. ASELSAN tarafından geliştirilen Minyatür Bomba, savaş uçakları ve SİHA'larca kullanılacak.

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