TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[IC3M@N FX]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2041809891581415649

Is this true that Turkiye wants SAMP-T?
Why not more Siper / Hisar ?

France would use its veto

 

[Zafer]

Siper-3 is anti-ballistic capable and has 3-4 years to go into production while Siper-2 is air breathing target capable and is close to going into mass production. the 3-4 year gap to anti-ballistic capability is what makes SAMP-T and option to go after.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Siper-3 is anti-ballistic capable and has 3-4 years to go into production while Siper-2 is air breathing target capable and is close to going into mass production. the 3-4 year gap to anti-ballistic capability is what makes SAMP-T and option to go after.

Depends on delivery Speed and technology transfer

 

[Zafer]

Depends on delivery Speed and technology transfer

Probably both homegrown and Europe cooperation can give results in roughly the same timeframe but it will be a surebet to go for both. Product development is not guarantied to result in usable finished products in time when you need them.

 

[Corvus]

France would use its veto

I'm not sure. Things have changed.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Samp-t new gen uses pif paf to hit ballistic missiles.
This is a technology we need to master yet.
For exo atmospheric precision targeting it is important.
If we can manufacture it under license, we would learn a great deal about the technology.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Yes, we need that really, but what good is it to us if we don’t have access? Look at it from their perspective: we’re their rivals (France) in the oil and gas sector and in the Mediterranean and Middle East networks; they want access via Greece and the Israel/UAE, and we’re standing in their way. Why on earth would they want to strengthen their rivals…

I keep hearing that things are going to change – excuse my language, and I really don’t want to offend anyone – but not a shit changed. This isn’t some strategy paper drafted by an intern Schoolboy; it’s a decades-long plan that we’re standing in their way.

There is a possibility, but the question is whether you really want to go down that route... You could source the HQ16FE or HQ19 from Pakistan as a grey market product (China) – it also features High G Fin or PIF/PAF, which are referred to there as DACS (Divert and Attitude Control System) or as a ‘blended control system’ as part of a technology transfer.

Feature	SAMP/T NG (Aster 30 B1 NT)	HQ-16FE (China / Export)	HQ-19 (China)
Max. Range	~150 km	~160 km	1,000 – 3,000 km
Max. Altitude	~25 km (Endo-atmospheric)	~27 km (Endo-atmospheric)	> 200 km (Exo-atmospheric)
Primary Targets	Jets, Cruise Missiles, SRBMs	Jets, Drones, Cruise Missiles, SRBMs	SRBMs, MRBMs, Hypersonic, Satellites
Radar Range	~400 km (Ground Fire AESA)	~250 km (L-Band AESA)	~4,000 km (Type 610A P-Band)
Agility Tech	PIF-PAF (Lateral Thrust)	Active Radar / High-G Fin	DACS (Kinetic Kill / PIF)

 

[boredaf]

Yes, we need that really, but what good is it to us if we don’t have access? Look at it from their perspective: we’re their rivals (France) in the oil and gas sector and in the Mediterranean and Middle East networks; they want access via Greece and the Israel/UAE, and we’re standing in their way. Why on earth would they want to strengthen their rivals…

I keep hearing that things are going to change – excuse my language, and I really don’t want to offend anyone – but not a shit changed. This isn’t some strategy paper drafted by an intern Schoolboy; it’s a decades-long plan that we’re standing in their way.

Is there any proof that France has a veto right on who Italy can export the system to with their own radar?

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Is there any proof that France has a veto right on who Italy can export the system to with their own radar?

As far as I know, SAMP/T and SAMP/T NG are an Italian-French project, but the effectors – that is, the missiles – were developed and manufactured by MBDA; the UK, France and Italy are involved, and perhaps Germany and Spain too, but only indirectly.

I don’t think the Italians will go to the trouble of replacing the subsystems just for us and then validating, certifying and testing them all over again... by then, we’ll already have Siper Block 4 in production.