TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[I_Love_F16]

How over 1100 tr modulr in akinci and hurjet ?? Tejas mk1a with currrnt israeli radar has less than 800 and with uttam gan it will be around 900.

How turkish people able to fit so many or utd wrong info ?? As even rafale has less than 1k tr module

Murad F16 AESA

• 1152 TRM GaN module
• 20W each modules with 30W(?)peak power (defenceturkey)
• Liquid cooling

APG-83 (open source info)

• 1020 TRM GaAs modules
• 10W each modules with 10kW peak power
• Liquid cooling

RBE2 AESA (open source info)

• 830 TRM GaAs modules
• 10W each modules with 8kW peak power
• Liquid cooling

According to Hepdert and Cabatli_TR posts #1421, it was the CEO of Aselsan who mentioned the number of modules back in 2023.

 

[Spitfire9]

Any chance to get the number?

I believe that Eurofighter has 1400+ TRM's. If KAAN has a wider nosecone, I guess it could hold more.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Any chance to get the number?

All sources quote “unconfirmed” figures.
Unless a person is working at Aselsan on BURFIS or he is the GM of Tusas or President of SSB, no one can truly tell you the exact number.

All unconfirmed sources state “thousands” of modules for BURFIS.
Also almost 2000 modules for MURAD-600A and around 4000 modules including Murad-600A, cheek plates, wings and rear facing modules.

This is a sensitive information that will probably never come out until plane is sold abroad. Even then, export and domestic versions may be different.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Wasn't there talk of installing the radar modules on both wings and the tail as well?

 

[Yasar_TR]

How over 1100 tr modulr in akinci and hurjet ?? Tejas mk1a with currrnt israeli radar has less than 800 and with uttam gan it will be around 900.

The Uttam AESA radar utilizes roughly 900–992 Gallium Nitride modules. This is a number optimised specifically for the limited nose cone space and power availability of the Tejas MK1A. That is still a very good number of modules.
Module count alone is not the defining factor. It is how the electronics are designed that also affect the performance.
Both Hurjet,KE, f16 and Akinci have nose cones to accommodate 1152 modules of the Murad100 radar.

How turkish people able to fit so many or utd wrong info ?? As even rafale has less than 1k tr module

The info is not wrong. The nose cones are big enough for the numbers in question. Rafale has a small nose cone. Hence the smaller number of modules (838 modules).
KAAN is a big plane and has a large nose cone to accommodate approximately 2000 modules for the MURAD-600A Aesa radar of the BURFIS System. Whether it will really have this many is yet to be seen. But the cone size would allow it. Hence the unconfirmed count we have in hand.

1152 modules for the MURAD-100A were apparently confirmed. Also it was confirmed that the MURAD-600A would have “more” modules.

To add to @Spitfire9 ’s comments about Typhoon’s radar; I remember reading that the 1400module count is for ECRSMK0 and the module count for ECRSMK2 is approximately 1626.
With it’s moving plate and advanced design it is claimed to be currently the most advanced Aesa radar in the West.

 

[uçuyorum]

The Uttam AESA radar utilizes roughly 900–992 Gallium Nitride modules. This is a number optimised specifically for the limited nose cone space and power availability of the Tejas MK1A. That is still a very good number of modules.
Module count alone is not the defining factor. It is how the electronics are designed that also affect the performance.
Both Hurjet,KE, f16 and Akinci have nose cones to accommodate 1152 modules of the Murad100 radar.


The info is not wrong. The nose cones are big enough for the numbers in question. Rafale has a small nose cone. Hence the smaller number of modules (838 modules).
KAAN is a big plane and has a large nose cone to accommodate approximately 2000 modules for the MURAD-600A Aesa radar of the BURFIS System. Whether it will really have this many is yet to be seen. But the cone size would allow it. Hence the unconfirmed count we have in hand.

1152 modules for the MURAD-100A were apparently confirmed. Also it was confirmed that the MURAD-600A would have “more” modules.

To add to @Spitfire9 ’s comments about Typhoon’s radar; I remember reading that the 1400module count is for ECRSMK0 and the module count for ECRSMK2 is approximately 1626.
With it’s moving plate and advanced design it is claimed to be currently the most advanced Aesa radar in the West.

I mean the recent rafale engagements showed that, at least for 4th gen, big radar + big missile sees and shoots first. So whether a small radar is technologically advanced or good on its own doesn't matter, if the adversary has significant edge in raw numbers in terms of specs (or maybe qualitative edge too) you can't just say this is enough. That said a smaller radar for a drone is different; it won't win a 1 on 1 engagement against a high end air superiority fighter but that's not the benchmark it is going for. Also before nose cone size and power delivery, cooling is a bigger problem. F18 and such are cooling limited, despite strong power generation capacity.

 

[Pokemonte13]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051911036001767640

That’s a disappointment

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051911036001767640

That’s a disappointment

Wait, it can't carry even Atmaca internally? Wtf? So, it cannot fit anything bigger than 4m within its internal bay? So, UAV-300ER is also out of the picture.

 

[Khagan1923]

Wait, it can't carry even Atmaca internally? Wtf? So, it cannot fit anything bigger than 4m within its internal bay? So, UAV-300ER is also out of the picture.

You guys expected it to carry Atmaca internally? That thing is huge as hell.

 

[HKY]

Som-j could be used internally for anti-ship missions.
My biggest complain is that it can't carry antiradar missile (Akbaba?) internally. Thus sead/dead missions are dangerous when you carry missiles externally.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Wait, it can't carry even Atmaca internally? Wtf? So, it cannot fit anything bigger than 4m within its internal bay? So, UAV-300ER is also out of the picture.

Bro, I don’t think there is even an air launched version of Atmaca missile.
If however it were air launched without a booster it can have a good deal more range than the surface launched version. But as it is going to travel Hi-Low-Low due to Sea skimming flight envelope, it’s range advantage may not be as great as a say UAV-300ER.

KAAN can carry both missiles under its belly and launch them from stand off distances.
UAV-300ER has a range of 500+ km when air launched from an unmanned slow UAV. From KAAN it can have a bit more range. So it wouldn‘t need to be carried in IWB of KAAN.
Same can be said for an air launched Atmaca. It should have a range well in excess of 300km. So KAAN it self will not be in danger of being targeted by ground AD assets.

As per @HKY has mentioned SOM-J is the right missile for anti ship.

 

[Zafer]

Kaan APU starter engine, while this is made for fighter jets you can possibly repurpose it to power a flying car for two.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051876144475934941

 

[boredaf]

Bro, I don’t think there is even an air launched version of Atmaca missile.

Atmaca can be launched from Kaan, it is specifically mentioned in its brochure:

https://www.roketsan.com.tr/uploads/docs/kataloglar/ENG/2024/1726595873_atmaca.pdf

Sure, it can fire off from stand-off ranges but I expected bigger internal space for bigger loads and having that clean profile would've allowed it to target even targets further away.

You guys expected it to carry Atmaca internally? That thing is huge as hell.

Kaan is 5 meters longer than F-35 and almost 2 meters longer than F-22 (iirc), of course I expected it to have more internal space?

 

[Pokemonte13]

Whats the point of having such a large aircraft and it can't even carry Mk84.

Atmaca can be launched from Kaan, it is specifically mentioned in its brochure:

https://www.roketsan.com.tr/uploads/docs/kataloglar/ENG/2024/1726595873_atmaca.pdf

Sure, it can fire off from stand-off ranges but I expected bigger internal space for bigger loads and having that clean profile would've allowed it to target even targets further away.


Kaan is 5 meters longer than F-35 and almost 2 meters longer than F-22 (iirc), of course I expected it to have more internal space?

i think airforce turned away from atmaca and choose SOM for ashw.

 

[Sanchez]

Som-j could be used internally for anti-ship missions.
My biggest complain is that it can't carry antiradar missile (Akbaba?) internally. Thus sead/dead missions are dangerous when you carry missiles externally.

American F-16CJs hunted down Iranian SAMs inside Iran for over 2 weeks, zero losses.

i think airforce turned away from atmaca and choose SOM for ashw.

That was always the idea. SOM-J was touted with ASM role a decade ago.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Atmaca can be launched from Kaan, it is specifically mentioned in its brochure:

https://www.roketsan.com.tr/uploads/docs/kataloglar/ENG/2024/1726595873_atmaca.pdf

For a missile to be usable from a jet fighter, first of all the missile’s aerodynamics and overall design has to be suitable for use in a jet fighter. In short it needs to be integrated.
Atmaca is built for surface to surface use. But Roketsan is still in the process of integrating it to F16. It was first mentioned in 2023. But to date they are still working on it as far as I know.
Once it is integrated then it can be used from KAAN too.

Yes you are right. In Roketsan’s site it is mentioned to be launched from 5th gen jet fighter. But they are still in the process of integrating it to f16.

 

[Strong AI]

The National Combat Aircraft KAAN supply contract has been signed between SSB and TUSAŞ.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051987721413869720