TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Pokemonte13]

Priority are the engines the F35 are the dessert. There are two realistic options for us firstly joint US Turkish control of s400 in incirlic or we sell it back to the Russians. Out of these options the second one would be the best for us considering we get money. But that would only resolve caatsa and we would need congress to approve the export of 20-40(except 6) F35 to us.

 

[Saithan]

I bet Trump is going to repeat what has been said in the past and because he is so delusional he'll think it's a great deal. I'm more curious to see if RTE is going to agree to the deal now that it's Trump who comes with the proposal.

 

[boredaf]

We should simply "sell" our S-400 to Syria, they need air defences, we have one we neither need nor use. And Russians can pound for all I care. In fact, they might even see it as a way to try and influence Syria by holding the keys to missile supply and maintenance, which would fail inevitably as we hold the keys to pretty much their survival.

 

[Tornadoss]

We should simply "sell" our S-400 to Syria, they need air defences, we have one we neither need nor use. And Russians can pound for all I care. In fact, they might even see it as a way to try and influence Syria by holding the keys to missile supply and maintenance, which would fail inevitably as we hold the keys to pretty much their survival.

Can be but I am pretty sure. time we sell them they will get bombed.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Sell them to literally any Turkic State, they already have a lot of Russian/Soviet equipment.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

The best solution would be to lend the four S-400 batteries to Azerbaijan (officially classified as a sale) and station them there permanently; should new developments arise in the Middle East or the Aegean that require a reassessment, the four batteries could be transferred back (repurchase).

The transport route is also considerably shorter; it would be operational again on Turkish soil within a day.

 

[mehmed beg]

Oh how charming. Considering that, usually only 25% if the planes are available for combat, then I guess whichever number of the frames are originally asked for , will be at least doubled.
Get the engines and tell them to f off.
This truly has become very childish.

 

[Saithan]

My sentiment exactly, or rather just get the engines and think long and hard about the S400. F... F35

 

[dBSPL]

The best solution would be to lend the four S-400 batteries to Azerbaijan (officially classified as a sale) and station them there permanently; should new developments arise in the Middle East or the Aegean that require a reassessment, the four batteries could be transferred back (repurchase).

The transport route is also considerably shorter; it would be operational again on Turkish soil within a day.

The idea of selling the S-400s to Azerbaijan with an option to buy them back later just does not work under US sanctions. The US Congress explicitly demands that Türkiye get rid of the ownership entirely and "irreversibly." On top of that, Russia’s "End-User Certificate" legally blocks transferring these batteries to any third country without Moscow's official green light. From a logistical standpoint, dismantling, moving, and setting up these massive systems takes weeks, making it technically impossible to bring them back to Türkiye within a single day during a crisis. So, this scenario neither provides the legal fix Washington is looking for nor aligns with military realities.

Besides, there is no need for such convoluted workarounds because it looks like both sides have already agreed on a technical solution behind the scenes. US Vice President JD Vance’s recent statement confirms this, noting that Türkiye has met certain technical requirements to comply with US laws, and the White House is now in the review and verification phase. This shows that Ankara and Washington have finalized a legally sound middle ground, which likely involves keeping the batteries locked away under NATO supervision or at Incirlik, and the administration is just doing a final check before presenting the deal to Congress.

As a final piece of speculation, Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan’s recent meeting with Vladimir Putin raises the question of whether a direct return of the systems to Moscow could be a remote possibility. While this remains entirely unconfirmed, a total buy-back by Russia would serve as the ultimate way to resolve the ownership issue if the current technical tracks with Washington ever hit a dead end.

 

[Pete Mitchell Maverick]

BREAKING NEWS

The US State Department has formally notified Congress regarding the sale of engines for the KAAN.

Reuters

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2070267931435368821

 

[Sanchez]

BREAKING NEWS

The US State Department has formally notified Congress regarding the sale of engines for the KAAN.

Reuters

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2070267931435368821

Well shit, it's happening. Probably will pass, as reactions have been far and between, only from usual suspects from lobbies.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

ABD'den KAAN İçin Resmî F110 Bildirimi | SavunmaSanayiST

ABD, KAAN programında kullanılacak General Electric üretimi F110-GE-129 turbofan motorlarının satışını ABD Kongresi'ne resmen bildirdi.

www.savunmasanayist.com

MPs’ objections persist
Gregory Meeks, the most senior Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, reiterated his objection, stating that the government had not provided sufficient information regarding the sale process.

Democratic MPs Chris Pappas and Dina Titus also reiterated their opposition to the sale of the F-35 to Turkey, with Titus announcing that she would table a joint motion to block the sale of the engines.

In contrast, according to information from Reuters, the Trump administration has decided to press ahead with the sale process despite the objections in Congress.

That won’t achieve anything if the Senate blocks it. Trump would have to threaten the Senate and the Democrates & Republicans People, and make it clear to them that this is solely about the US and American interests, and not about Greece or Israel. I doubt he has enough power to do that.

 

[boredaf]

ABD'den KAAN İçin Resmî F110 Bildirimi | SavunmaSanayiST

ABD, KAAN programında kullanılacak General Electric üretimi F110-GE-129 turbofan motorlarının satışını ABD Kongresi'ne resmen bildirdi.

www.savunmasanayist.com

That won’t achieve anything if the Senate blocks it. Trump would have to threaten the Senate and the Democrates & Republicans People, and make it clear to them that this is solely about the US and American interests, and not about Greece or Israel. I doubt he has enough power to do that.

Republicans have the majority at least until the mid terms in November and they will do whatever Trump tells them to do, the worst Democrats can do is to delay things for one voting session or two through filibuster, nothing more.

 

[mTT]

​

KAAN's Heart: F110 Engine Procurement Timeline and the Critical 15 Days​

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Timeline​

June 24: Official Start
The formal review process begins as the State Department notifies Congress under the Arms Export Control Act (AECA).


15 CRITICAL DAYS FOR TURKEY
Since Turkey is a NATO member, the review period is 15 days; for non-NATO countries, this can extend up to 30 days.


July 9: End of Review
At close of business, Congress's legal right to intervene in the sale expires and the decision becomes final.

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June 24 – July 9: Possible Scenarios​

Scenario A: Congressional Silence
The most likely outcome; if Congress does not object within 15 days, the deal officially enters into force on July 10.


Scenario B: Congressional Objection & Veto Wall
Even if a "Joint Resolution of Disapproval" is introduced, overriding President Trump's veto requires a 2/3 majority — currently seen as unlikely given the current Congressional composition.


Scenario C: Emergency Authority
If a deadlock risk arises in Congress, the President can invoke AECA Section 36 to immediately cancel the 15-day period and approve the sale by executive signature alone.

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Why Are 15 Days So Critical?​

Lobbying Activity Restricted
The narrow timeframe does not leave enough time for anti-sale lobbies to generate public pressure or stall the process in committees.


$705 Million Package
Once approved, the massive procurement and production timeline between TAI and General Electric officially launches.

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Strategic Advantage of NATO Membership​

	TURKEY (NATO Member)	Non-NATO Countries
Legal Review Period	15 Days	30 Days
Deadline	July 9, 2026	July 24, 2026
Lobbying Risk Level	Low (Limited Time)	High (Ample Time)
Political Bargaining Space	Very Narrow	Wide

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2070324701495193667

 

[HKY]

So Güçhan "engine" completed its job.

 

[boredaf]

So Güçhan "engine" completed its job.

That is absolutely hilarious, thank you for the laugh.

 

[HKY]

What’s so funny? We told the Americans, "Either you give us the F110, or we’ll copy it under the name 'Güçhan'." And they gave in .

 

[boredaf]

What’s so funny? We told the Americans, "Either you give us the F110, or we’ll copy it under the name 'Güçhan'." And they gave in .

The fact that you, or anyone really, believe that shite was real and those people could actually copy and build it. It is bloody hilarious. Also, I've got a bridge to sell in Istanbul, are you interested?

 

[HKY]

You should try to sell your bridge to americans. They seem to have swallowed the bait.

 

[Pokemonte13]

You should try to sell your bridge to americans. They seem to have swallowed the bait.

They dont care about some frankenstein F110 engine that doesn't even have any credibility. They would just sanction us. Also if the engine were true the overall timeframe would probably be just as long as Tf35000 if its not complete clone of F110 engine.