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His statements cause more concern among the Zionists, radical Kurdists, Armenians and Greeks as far as I can see.
They think he is a Turkish asset that is bringing American policies in line with Türkiye.
For example:
He has an unorthodox -yet correct IMO- approach to the Middle East and he doesn't talk diplomatically -he's not a diplomat anyways. That's why his statements can be disturbing for many parties. However, I believe his words and actions have been extremely pro-Türkiye so far. He facilitated the collapse of the so-called SDF and indirectly criticized Israel in many cases.
I personally agree with many of his observations & vision about the Middle East and Türkiye.
He counted some requirements for this to be achieved. Such as acceptance of Palestian statehood by Israel -which is not going to happen. That's giving middle finger in diplomatic language.
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The Trump administration is held by the balls by the Israeli lobby. Do you really think Tom Barrack is an outlier?
Israel doesn't want any strong nation states in the region. Syria is no longer a threat, HTS was literally funded by the CIA and today's Syria is absolutely not a threat to Israeli ambitions. Therefore YPG isnt needed anymore.
Meanwhile PKK has more political power inside Türkiye than ever before despite supposedly being dismantled. Also, I guarantee they're stacking up FPV drones as we speak.
Tom Barrack's embrace of Türkiye is like when the coalition backed the Istanbul government in the early 20th century...
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Syria hasn't been a threat since 80s. The idea that YPG was a vice against Baath Syria is absurd; it never was.
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Which we are from the very first beginning!
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WTF Türkiye still asking to buy F35 and showing itself like US puppy , just say 'we dont want F35' go faxk yourself USA , we dont need u , your aircraft or anything else from u . From president to ordinary citizens ,we should say this ...
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Dont be so emotional,its just politics.
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That's one of the things that confuses me as well. But then how do we explain the hatred coming from Türkiye's enemies towards Barrack? Why do they campaign for his removal from the post?
Then why did Israel attack Syria, blow up much of its heavy equipment and invade strategic locations right after the revolution succeded? Why do pro-Israeli accounts keep calling Sharaa a terrorist, an islamist etc.?
What is your source about HTS being funded by the CIA?
I think you are missing a tiny detail.
Türkiye today is not under occupation of a coalition of super powers. We are on the rise and super powers of the last few centuries are on decline.
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Why did Israel support Hamas against secular Palestinian resistance decades ago?
Why did the CIA back radical Islamist groups, including HTS and even ISIS in the first place?
Their playbook is quite simple, but Muslims fall for it time after time. Islamists, and Jihadists in particular are useful, but ultimately once the plug is pulled they become the ultimate boogeyman. Like you don't even need to justify a war campaign again them, Western politicians and citizens will blindly support it.
Related to this, there is a huge campaign to demonize Muslims in the west, and restore Christianity (which would actually be bad for the west, and LGBT has been a huge factor in this mess as well). This isn't organic, there's been a push to send millions of refugees to Western countries and the ultimately cause a massive rift between two groups that have nearly the same population globally. If huge anti-immigration and anti-Muslim uprisings happened in Europe, this would essentially give Israel free reign to do whatever they want in the Middle East, with even more backing then they have currently.
You need to dig below the surface and see that the US and Israel see Muslims as both a weapon and and excuse to expand influence. Saudi Arabia has been complicit in this for decades.
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A big reason the western elites flooded the west with "Muslims" is because it helped the dehumanisation process. Without saudi backed wahhabi islamist minded people in the west the dehumanisation process would have been much harder. Turks up until recently were a big counter argument against this point, especially those with the Ataturk mindset. But truth be told Turks are being thrown into the same category as how they see the arabs, morrocans, pakistanis etc. Perceiving all Muslims to be ugly looking 3rd world savages.
It also serves as a way to unite white europe who traditionally without an outside threat despise each other. I remember how europeans from the continent in europe were looked down on here by the english. They were all seen as "eastern european" garbage. Especially the europeans from the balkans were all seen as idiots and criminally minded. The romanians and albanians, were seen as the lowest of the low and if not for Muslims probably still would be. Now if you were to travel Europe you will soon discover that most Europeans have serious issues with each other.
Muslim migrations brought into europe predominatly by anglo-american/zionist intention helps unite europe by finding common purpose against the other, while also aiding in the dehumanisation process against Muslims. In general my experience of Muslims from north Africa, from the middle east has been quite negative. I've met so many hostile pakistani Muslims that 2 minutes interaction with them makes you think all Muslims are trash. This is what is happening in england and the english are probably some of the least racist people in europe. If the english are starting to hate Muslims, no chance to improve the image with the rest of europe.
I pointed it out before but Ataturk understood the psycology of the european, he presented an image of the Turk which for the european was synomonous with being a Muslim, as being something positive. This isnt about being white or brown skinned, its about presenting a respectable image that doesnt frighten the west. This is important since the west especially back then had all the power. Because remember, in order to destroy you they have to dehumanise you first.
The image Ataturk crafted for the Turks protected the Turks and protected the Islamic world. The image he created was hard to dehumanise because once your dehumanised, the zionist pigs can get away with any crime they commit and their crimes are endless.
Our friend posted the video about the jewish world congress talking to germany about how they "need to hold the Turks back", its also the same reason that the "Turk" identity is relentlessly under attack both within Turkiye and outside it. So Turks have to remember who they historically were and not what the western backed isalmists like feto or the grand orient created freemasonic muslim brotherhood want Turks to be.
The salvation is to reconnect with who we are, then a real solution can be found.
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I agree wholeheartedly with this analysis. Kemalist westernization had one overarching, ultimate aim: to prevent western aggression. Founding cadres of the republic correctly assessed the European xeno-dehumanization process and every step they took was aimed at thwarting it.A big reason the western elites flooded the west with "Muslims" is because it helped the dehumanisation process. Without saudi backed wahhabi islamist minded people in the west the dehumanisation process would have been much harder. Turks up until recently were a big counter argument against this point, especially those with the Ataturk mindset. But truth be told Turks are being thrown into the same category as how they see the arabs, morrocans, pakistanis etc. Perceiving all Muslims to be ugly looking 3rd world savages.
It also serves as a way to unite white europe who traditionally without an outside threat despise each other. I remember how europeans from the continent in europe were looked down on here by the english. They were all seen as "eastern european" garbage. Especially the europeans from the balkans were all seen as idiots and criminally minded. The romanians and albanians, were seen as the lowest of the low and if not for Muslims probably still would be. Now if you were to travel Europe you will soon discover that most Europeans have serious issues with each other.
Muslim migrations brought into europe predominatly by anglo-american/zionist intention helps unite europe by finding common purpose against the other, while also aiding in the dehumanisation process against Muslims. In general my experience of Muslims from north Africa, from the middle east has been quite negative. I've met so many hostile pakistani Muslims that 2 minutes interaction with them makes you think all Muslims are trash. This is what is happening in england and the english are probably some of the least racist people in europe. If the english are starting to hate Muslims, no chance to improve the image with the rest of europe.
I pointed it out before but Ataturk understood the psycology of the european, he presented an image of the Turk which for the european was synomonous with being a Muslim, as being something positive. This isnt about being white or brown skinned, its about presenting a respectable image that doesnt frighten the west. This is important since the west especially back then had all the power. Because remember, in order to destroy you they have to dehumanise you first.
The image Ataturk crafted for the Turks protected the Turks and protected the Islamic world. The image he created was hard to dehumanise because once your dehumanised, the zionist pigs can get away with any crime they commit and their crimes are endless.
Our friend posted the video about the jewish world congress talking to germany about how they "need to hold the Turks back", its also the same reason that the "Turk" identity is relentlessly under attack both within Turkiye and outside it. So Turks have to remember who they historically were and not what the western backed isalmists like feto or the grand orient created freemasonic muslim brotherhood want Turks to be.
The salvation is to reconnect with who we are, then a real solution can be found.
I will also add one caveat: some of our own also fell for this optical transformation. Some people re-created an image of him as a socially liberal, civic nationalist, human rights hero who has the moral worldview of someone like İmamoğlu. This is false.
We know for certain that Atatürk:
- Has personally ordered dismissal of a black (zenci) official (in Denizli Türk Ocağı) for the sole reason of him being black
- Forbid the women in his family from dancing with men
- Ordered the razing of an entire town (menemen) and opted out of this because his subordinates insisted
Halaskar Mareşal Gazi Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, by today's standards, was a chauvanist, socially conservative, ethnic nationalist. His "liberalism", for the most part, was the result of practical neccesities. He was aware that Europeans and Russians were itching for another war of extermination and took all these steps to prevent that.
It would be immensely helpful if islamists recognized this fact and celebrated the salvation of Türkiye from a genocide at the hands of christians, and seek to emulate Kemalist strategy (because it's still valid). It would also be very beneficial for all parties if the secularists stop trying to project their -dare I say- retarded social democrat values to the founder of our nation.
Atatürk, even after 88 years of his passing, is still our north star and best hope. Sooner we recognize this and give up this childish polarization, the better. I have little hope though.
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The problem is not Muslims, but the way the West views Muslims and seeks to shape them.
As backward, antisocial, unintelligent, and isolated.
You cannot “civilize” a religious ethnic group—whether Turks, Arabs, or North Africans—according to U.S. or European standards if they are constantly under Political, Military stress from conflicts imported by Israel and the U.S./EU. This is a deliberate strategy to repeatedly destabilize this region.
I’m talking about development in terms of sociality, integrity, behavior, progress, and the intelligence of the masses—that leads to success and opportunities.
Look at China and its people: It has developed through a program since the late 1940s, 1950s and 1960s and 1970s has transformed from a resource-based nation into an industrial nation = a superpower—success breeds success; this has nothing to do with Religion or Ethics or Politics. Rather, it is about developing without external influence and stress.
Just look at Turkey’s progress—they simply can’t stand the fact that an Islamic country, whether moderate or conservative, can achieve technological, athletic, and social success. This shakes their worldview and shows that there is an alternative. When countries succeed, they become self-reliant, and their people become self-reliant—self-confidence: success breeds success.
Haven't you ever noticed that the West has hardly any natural resources and has to import everything for its industry? What do you think will happen if resource-rich countries start processing their own raw materials? The West's prosperity will collapse—this has nothing to do with religion or other nonsense, but rather with putting pressure on these nations to prevent them from developing further.
When a nation is self-sufficient technologically, economically, and socially, it inevitably develops its own strategic agenda. It transforms from the object of foreign policy into a subject that sets its own terms. This emancipation provokes extreme unease in the West, for two reasons:
1 Loss of leverage: In the past, technology blackouts, embargoes, wars, and conflicts were sufficient to steer a country’s development and foreign policy. However, when the critical components—the software and the engineering expertise—are developed domestically, these traditional tools of Western pressure lose their effectiveness.
2 Geopolitical competition: A self-assured country at the crossroads of Europe, Asia, and the Middle East—one that forges its own alliances and no longer automatically fits into existing hierarchies—forces the West to negotiate on equal terms—a role that many Western actors find difficult.
For examplw It’s quite simple: When Turkey qualified for the 2026 World Cup, the first comments on German sports forums were: “Hopefully they’ll be eliminated right away.” It doesn’t bother them that a Muslim country is participating, but rather that a Muslim country like Turkey is achieving success in the fields of technology, sports, and self-realization and is making this visible; this visibility breeds success and self-confidence—for them, this is a threat; it’s a mix of envy, a sense of threat, and a worldview.
As backward, antisocial, unintelligent, and isolated.
You cannot “civilize” a religious ethnic group—whether Turks, Arabs, or North Africans—according to U.S. or European standards if they are constantly under Political, Military stress from conflicts imported by Israel and the U.S./EU. This is a deliberate strategy to repeatedly destabilize this region.
I’m talking about development in terms of sociality, integrity, behavior, progress, and the intelligence of the masses—that leads to success and opportunities.
Look at China and its people: It has developed through a program since the late 1940s, 1950s and 1960s and 1970s has transformed from a resource-based nation into an industrial nation = a superpower—success breeds success; this has nothing to do with Religion or Ethics or Politics. Rather, it is about developing without external influence and stress.
Just look at Turkey’s progress—they simply can’t stand the fact that an Islamic country, whether moderate or conservative, can achieve technological, athletic, and social success. This shakes their worldview and shows that there is an alternative. When countries succeed, they become self-reliant, and their people become self-reliant—self-confidence: success breeds success.
Haven't you ever noticed that the West has hardly any natural resources and has to import everything for its industry? What do you think will happen if resource-rich countries start processing their own raw materials? The West's prosperity will collapse—this has nothing to do with religion or other nonsense, but rather with putting pressure on these nations to prevent them from developing further.
When a nation is self-sufficient technologically, economically, and socially, it inevitably develops its own strategic agenda. It transforms from the object of foreign policy into a subject that sets its own terms. This emancipation provokes extreme unease in the West, for two reasons:
1 Loss of leverage: In the past, technology blackouts, embargoes, wars, and conflicts were sufficient to steer a country’s development and foreign policy. However, when the critical components—the software and the engineering expertise—are developed domestically, these traditional tools of Western pressure lose their effectiveness.
2 Geopolitical competition: A self-assured country at the crossroads of Europe, Asia, and the Middle East—one that forges its own alliances and no longer automatically fits into existing hierarchies—forces the West to negotiate on equal terms—a role that many Western actors find difficult.
For examplw It’s quite simple: When Turkey qualified for the 2026 World Cup, the first comments on German sports forums were: “Hopefully they’ll be eliminated right away.” It doesn’t bother them that a Muslim country is participating, but rather that a Muslim country like Turkey is achieving success in the fields of technology, sports, and self-realization and is making this visible; this visibility breeds success and self-confidence—for them, this is a threat; it’s a mix of envy, a sense of threat, and a worldview.
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You are responding to my questions with questions that has nothing to do with our case.
Israel supported Hamas against Fatah to cause divison and rift between the resistance. Do you see any divison in Syria at the moment? A unified Syrian government with popular support and Turkish backing is a nightmare for them and they repatedly voiced their concerns. Do you want me to provide dozens of statements from Israelis themselves on this issue?
Could you provide evidence about CIA backing HTS? I think HTS was backed more by Türkiye, Qatar and the UK. Not the USA. Any claim we make on this issue can't be proven as they are matters of top secret intelligence. I wonder how can you talk so sure of yourself.
The USA kidnapped the president of a soverign nation a few months ago. Nobody said a word about it. Is it because Venezuela was Islamist?
If you are a weak player sitting on some strategic assets without obeying the super power, they will create the legitimization without giving a f.
The issue with the "Islamists" is that they refuse to obey, they are not afraid of death and they are not blinded by the comforts of this world. That makes them dangerous for neo-liberal world order that individuals are reduced to consumer animals. You can control most politicians with their drug problems, with their love for women, gold or even kids. You can't do the same with the "Islamists".
Yes, especailly by Israel and Israel aligned groups&individuals. On the other hand, many people on the right started to think that migration and demographic collapse is also caused by the Jews. I have many such friends like this. A croatian right wing christian friend of mine recently joked about he would join Turkish military if we fight against Israel.
Finally, I'm asking my previous questions again:
1) How do we explain the hatred coming from Türkiye's enemies towards Barrack? Why do they campaign for his removal from the post?
2) Why did Israel attack Syria, blow up much of its heavy equipment and invade strategic locations right after the revolution succeded? Why do pro-Israeli accounts keep calling Sharaa a terrorist, an islamist etc.?
