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Super was capable of intercepting missiles at up to 100km right ? But was tests conducted at that range or within 100km. I am asking because to intercept at 100km the radar must be able to identify the threat before the 100 km Mark.

What's the range of the radar, and I remember we talked whether the range could be extended using passive extenders
 

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I am asking because to intercept at 100km the radar must be able to identify the threat before the 100 km Mark.
Alp-310G should have an instrumented max range up to 700-800, effective range against large targets up to 450kms.
 

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Super was capable of intercepting missiles at up to 100km right ? But was tests conducted at that range or within 100km. I am asking because to intercept at 100km the radar must be able to identify the threat before the 100 km Mark.

What's the range of the radar, and I remember we talked whether the range could be extended using passive extenders
ALP 300-G and others like eirs , teis , Eralp , fixed ones , 400G are all Modern radar aesa .
ALP 300-G can detect aibus a320 700+km away . F16 perhaps 200-300km away and steath ones perhaps 40-100km away . Real range depends and are secret .
So the radars are not the problem , Türkiye just need longer range air defence missiles
 

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How many batteries will we have by the end of 2026 4 or 6?

To provide comprehensive protection for Turkey, we need at least 14–16 Siper batteries, plus our 4 S-400 batteries, each stationed in the north, south, east, and west for redundancy. Then no one will be able to threaten us as easily as Israel does. Once Block 2 is commissioned, we will establish a complete A2/AD bubble in the Aegean, Mediterranean, and Black Seas, and generally, 1–2 Siper batteries should be stationed in Northern Cyprus.
 

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How many batteries will we have by the end of 2026 4 or 6?

To provide comprehensive protection for Turkey, we need at least 14–16 Siper batteries, plus our 4 S-400 batteries, each stationed in the north, south, east, and west for redundancy. Then no one will be able to threaten us as easily as Israel does. Once Block 2 is commissioned, we will establish a complete A2/AD bubble in the Aegean, Mediterranean, and Black Seas, and generally, 1–2 Siper batteries should be stationed in Northern Cyprus.
There was 3 serial production deliveries and 1 initial testing delivery which we don't know if it had counted as serial peoduction delivery or not. So we should have at least 4 at most 6 batteries at the end of the month if news of 1/2 delivery is correct. With current pace there should be 2 more deliveries till end of the year as well. So we are looking at something between 6 and 8 by end of the year.

Block 2's biggest advantage is going to be cross compatibility. Once Block 2 enters inventory all of these batteries can be converted into Block 1/2 hybrid batteries massively increasing coverage
 

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Aselsan shared test footage from improved versions of Ejderha, Gökberk and ihtar. Ejderha and Gökberk took down fiber optic fpvs while İhtar took down normal fpv.

Improvements:
Ejderha: new bigger antenna layout with more range and radar integration for standalone use
İHTAR: moved to AESA radar technology
Gökberk: size and tracking optimizations

 

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Aselsan shared test footage from improved versions of Ejderha, Gökberk and ihtar. Ejderha and Gökberk took down fiber optic fpvs while İhtar took down normal fpv.

Improvements:
Ejderha: new bigger antenna layout with more range and radar integration for standalone use
İHTAR: moved to AESA radar technology
Gökberk: size and tracking optimizations

Just as an info they did not use the Ihtar system with the aesa panels but the older one.
 

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There was 3 serial production deliveries and 1 initial testing delivery which we don't know if it had counted as serial peoduction delivery or not. So we should have at least 4 at most 6 batteries at the end of the month if news of 1/2 delivery is correct. With current pace there should be 2 more deliveries till end of the year as well. So we are looking at something between 6 and 8 by end of the year.

Block 2's biggest advantage is going to be cross compatibility. Once Block 2 enters inventory all of these batteries can be converted into Block 1/2 hybrid batteries massively increasing coverage
Not sure what you mean by converted but its just a new missile the system was already capable of firing it.
Siper had 1 prototype battery that was delivered in 2024, 1 battery in September 2025, 1 in January 2026 and 1 in march 2026
total 4 batteries in service if we don't count the prototype than that means on average 1 battery ever 3-4 months so in a year 3 or 4 batteries.
 

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All of these are validating. But we know Turkish AD interceptors can do this with subsonic targets since 2020 with dozens successful of tests.

It's time to test and validate them against Mach 2 target rounds in real scenarios.
 

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What's the total orderbook for Aselsan now, I think you were listing them up?
2023 about 600 million euros.
2024 up to 1 billion euros.
2025 September 1.65 billion euros.
2025 November 1.1 billion euros.
In total 4.35 billion euros for missiles and batteries as well as stand alone radars(Alp300/100).
As far as I can see the only order that has been delivered is the one from 2023 the rest is yet to come.
 

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All of these are validating. But we know Turkish AD interceptors can do this with subsonic targets since 2020 with dozens successful of tests.

It's time to test and validate them against Mach 2 target rounds in real scenarios.
Süper Şimşek is a LO drone and it was maneuvering for these tests. And all the personnell in the video that I can see is from the air force, not from companies.
 

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Probaly a foreign user can be the first user to fire a Siper2 interceptor to a real hostile target. Skies are quieter nowadays, but a prudent user can deploy a system just in case.
 

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And the greatest threat we face is from israel which relies on its airforce for power hence engaging subsonic maneuverable low observable targets makes sense. This is just one of many tests we get to see only a small fraction of it.
 

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I know Simsek series has RCS augmenters, so I wonder if it struck a normal Super Simsek or if a passive/active RCS augmenter was used. If it was just a Super Simsek with its base RCS then that is insanely impressive.
Could be but i think this was a test to see how the missile performs when the enemy targets starts moving to make the missile bleed speed and see if it can hit an evading target.
 
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