TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[Sanchez]

Selvi writes that the S400s are going to be offloaded to a Gulf country, likely UAE or Qatar. Interesting.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2075474867093201158

 

[Strong AI]

Selvi writes that the S400s are going to be offloaded to a Gulf country, likely UAE or Qatar. Interesting.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2075474867093201158

Don't those countries also want to buy F-35s?
But paying for almost new Eurofighters with S400s is the least bad option i guess.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Don't those countries also want to buy F-35s?
But paying for almost new Eurofighters with S400s is the least bad option i guess.

Is not realistic for any of these countries they can buy any other ad system and they do. Only reason could be they need to replenish their sock fast no matter how but that is a long pitch.

 

[Strong AI]

Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov announced that Russia and Turkey have held talks regarding the possible resale of the S-400 air defense systems currently in Turkey's inventory.

Peskov said:

"Russia and Turkey have discussed the possible resale of the S-400 systems currently in Ankara's inventory. The possibility of selling these systems is a sensitive issue. Discussions with Turkey on this matter will continue."

"Türkiye S-400'leri sattı" iddiası sonrası Rusya'dan flaş açıklama

Haber 7 - Türkiye'nin S-400'leri bir Körfez ülkesine sattığı iddiasının ardından Kremlin'den yapılan açıklamada, "Rusya ve Türkiye, S-400'lerin olası yeniden satışını konuştu." ifadeleri kullanıldı.

m.haber7.com

 

[TheInsider]

What I heard is that S400 to UEA and Qatar is on the table . Russia is bullish on the issue and wants to buy back its own system from the UAE or Qatar. It is likely that we are selling S400 back to Russia in a complex roundabout way, not to hurt relations with Ukraine.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Imagine selling the S400 and the US still not selling the F35, I absolutely could see them doing that... Let's hope for the best.

 

[TheInsider]

Imagine selling the S400 and the US still not selling the F35, I absolutely could see them doing that... Let's hope for the best.

They will likely try to introduce new goalposts, but regardless of that, S400 is not suitable for us, we should get rid of it even if we can't get F-35s.

 

[GoatsMilk]

They will likely try to introduce new goalposts, but regardless of that, S400 is not suitable for us, we should get rid of it even if we can't get F-35s.

When we lost F35 because AK party brought s400, AKtrolls convinced us it was a great idea and F35's were shit and it saved us a massive economic burden. Now years later their selling the S400's most likely at a loss to get back f35's that they will probably pay more for now. This is now sold as a great political success story.

Anyway, i wouldn't sell the s400 until the first F35's are received.

 

[TheInsider]

When we lost F35 because AK party brought s400, AKtrolls convinced us it was a great idea and F35's were shit and it saved us a massive economic burden. Now years later their selling the S400's most likely at a loss to get back f35's that they will probably pay more for now. This is now sold as a great political success story.

Anyway, i wouldn't sell the s400 until the first F35's are received.

This will go down as one of the most foolish moves of the century.

 

[GoatsMilk]

This will go down as one of the most foolish moves of the century.

honestly i think the common people in Turkiye are too numb to care about it. It may go down somewhere but i don't think most of the nation will ever remember it.

But i do think it goes to add weight to my argument that this s400 purchase was about syria, trying to gain favour with russia while at the same time telling the americans to back off or they risk losing Turkiye over their support of the YPG. Obviously we know how that went.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

What an absolutely stupid initiative... The entire west is going through a nationalist reawakening, and you come out with a "decolonization forum". Completely out of touch and horrible PR for Türkiye.

Literally everybody, left and right hates Israel right now, meanwhile support for Türkiye is the highest its it's been in years. Thanks for giving our enemies free ammunition for their propaganda

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2080319599698964513

 

[Lool]

Literally everybody, left and right hates Israel right now, meanwhile support for Türkiye is the highest its it's been in years. Thanks for giving our enemies free ammunition for their propaganda

That is bullshit bro
Do you really think that support for Turkey is at its highest rn just because they are opening some funds and are buying weapons from you? Please wake the hell up

In fact I would say that Europe's hatred, inferiority complex, and paranoia towards Turkey are on the rise. In European/Western media you see nothing other than how the barbarian turks are destroying the Western-based hegemony in Africa and the Middle East.

How Turkey is an unreliable ally that can betray NATO for Russia and China even though Greece (a so-called western nation), was caught selling NATO's weapons blueprints to China and yet no western media is talking about it. How Turkey is cruelly indirectly aiding in the killing of Ukrainians by not completely closing off its relations with Russia even though Greece uses its veto rights to block EU sanctions against Russia unless its ships gets a waiver for transporting Russian oil that finances Russia's war in Ukraine

I wont get into each nitty-gritty detail but I will tell you this: Europe's/West's current standing and wealth is based on the breakdown of sovereign nations from between 30-100 years ago within the region; primarily Turkey!

The moment Turkey got some strength back, the moment it liberated Syria, liberated Azerbaijan's karabakh, aided Sudan to retake its capital and soon all of its lands, replaced France's control over the Sahel region etc.... and this is with just a fraction of Turkey's strength; just imagine what it could do if it grew even more!

If you think Europe's posion-laced olive branch towards Turkey is a sign of increasing goodwill or acceptance then please tell me the type of weed you are smoking since I want some of it to get high as well

finally, in Europe's based "democracy", the opinion of the average masses is irrelevant; whats relevant is who controls the MONEY! As long as Jews control the money, they control the politicians; thus, they control the West and thats it. How many politicians were arrested after the Epstein files were released? One or two only, period!

Dont forget what Natenyahu said before: Even if the masses are against us, all Western leaders are supporting us in secret and promised us they they wont support sanctions against Israel.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

@Mis_TR_Like
I don’t see that as an attack. Whilst we may have different political views, I have so far seen no reason to hope that the West represents the future of humanity or holds the authority to define it. They reject Turks, Kurds, Syrians, Arabs, Africans, Asians – whatever – regardless of how these ethnic groups are ultimately assessed. They are largely rejected in the US and Europe.
They are accepted as a labour force and as holiday destinations, but nothing more than that.

I work and live in Germany to earn money, but I have to put up with strange looks and endure subtle racism in social situations as well as in everyday matters such as looking for a flat, promotions, pay rises and other issues – and sometimes I’m overlooked as a result. Can I rule out the possibility that this also happens in Turkey? No, but the likelihood is simply lower if you’re qualified and among your peers.

You can see it in American and European TV series set in the future – that is, science fiction such as *Star Trek* and so on – do you see any Turks, Kurds, Arabs and so on in them? In their vision (definition) of an ideal future for humanity, there is no place for us. Why should we seek our future in a vision that offers us no place?
In their future, they explore planets, create new worlds and present themselves as progressive, whilst people like us are likely to be working in mines, in waste management and in industry.

I believe that if we become a centre of culture and technology – whether that’s ultimately in
Istanbul, Cairo or anywhere else – then we’ll be securing that for future generations too; we’ll then have earned our place at the table.

Ultimately, we are not one of them and must take our future into our own hands. One should not seek acceptance, but create it.

 

[Fatman17]

https://share.google/duKZVPDadPNu9Rq2k

EU and Turkiye in defence cooperation.

"As the post-World War II international order fades away, officials in Ankara and other European capitals are realising that great danger lies ahead if they do not work together on security. Threat perceptions differ, but they can still find pragmatic, flexible means of collaboration."

 

[IC3M@N FX]

What do you think will happen if the war in Ukraine stalls or ends with a permanent ceasefire, and we end up with a new Cold War 2.0?

Europe needs energy, and because of Russia, the northern route is off limits or blocked.
They also do not want oil, gas and goods to be routed through Turkey. They are determined that these should be routed via China to India and then through the Middle East via Israel and on to Cyprus – the same applies to oil and gas from the Middle East to Israel and then via Cyprus to Greece.

That is why massive pressure must be exerted in the Mediterranean whilst the conflict with Ukraine continues and they have to supply weapons and ammunition; as soon as Russia cracks down even harder in Ukraine, Turkey must also take tougher action and unsettle them, conduct manoeuvres in the Mediterranean and make it clear to everyone that it is prepared for a conflict if necessary, and that without it, nothing in the Mediterranean will or is allowed to move.

If one relies on cooperation here, as soon as the situation calms down, pressure will be brought to bear on Turkey – across the whole of Europe.

That bitch (von de Leyen) said – either by mistake or deliberately – that Turkey, like Russia and China, is an enemy of the system in Europe.

The EU Equivocating on Turkey Is Bad Geopolitics

Following Ursula von der Leyen’s gaffe equating Turkey to Russia and China, relations with Ankara risk deteriorating even further. Without better, more consistent diplomatic messaging, how can the EU pretend to be a geopolitical power?

carnegieendowment.org

So don’t go thinking they’re our friends or partners. They’re customers, and customers are replaceable.

 

[Barry]

Literally every time they say something about cooperation, there's an immediate response in their parliament pushing some anti-turkey initiatives.

Don't forgot how fucking hard they make it for any turk to get a visa, whether it's tourist, work or study.

When Greeks push the invasion propaganda regarding Cyprus, they pass off images of our dead as their own and the rest of their parliament nods rabidly.

And the endless special meetings and envoys for a "solution" in Cyprus that neither engages any turkish Cypriots or accepts their rights to self-determination or historic truths of the last 60 years

 

[Ryder]

Europeans or the white race in general will never accept Turkiye as apart of Europe.

Enough with the appeasement its always been about race, religion, culture and ethnicity.

Not to mention Asia Minor or Anatolia has always been seen as apart of Europe rather than Asia until this all changed when the Turks conquered the region in 1071 and the settlement and mass migration of Turks did not occur until the Mongol Invasions.

Turks, Mongols and the Huns threatening the entire of state of Europe has left a trauma on the continent.

They tried to wipe us out numerous times they tried to do what they did in Al Andalus in Anatolia. But the Turks fought and kept their independance. That burns them the Turks are still in Anatolia and not completely wiped away so they have to live next to them as neighbours.

Cypriot Turks and the Azerbaijanis getting killed did not flinch because they supported it despite knowing the atrocities are going on.

I always support Turkiye fullfilling its own destiny. Afterall we are Asians whether we like it or not.

 

[TurkWolf]

Europeans or the white race in general will never accept Turkiye as apart of Europe.

Enough with the appeasement its always been about race, religion, culture and ethnicity.

Not to mention Asia Minor or Anatolia has always been seen as apart of Europe rather than Asia until this all changed when the Turks conquered the region in 1071 and the settlement and mass migration of Turks did not occur until the Mongol Invasions.

Turks, Mongols and the Huns threatening the entire of state of Europe has left a trauma on the continent.

They tried to wipe us out numerous times they tried to do what they did in Al Andalus in Anatolia. But the Turks fought and kept their independance. That burns them the Turks are still in Anatolia and not completely wiped away so they have to live next to them as neighbours.

Cypriot Turks and the Azerbaijanis getting killed did not flinch because they supported it despite knowing the atrocities are going on.

I always support Turkiye fullfilling its own destiny. Afterall we are Asians whether we like it or not.

But we're not really European are we? Anatolia was considered Asia too for centuries.

So why do you care so much if Europe accept us as white/European or whatever?

I feel more connection to Spain/Italy/and some Northern Europe region than say Saudi Arabia that see us Turks as their slaves.

The very same thing you accuse the Europeans of feeling towards Turks the East Asians and Arab nations feel the same too. Like it or not we have no "friends" in Asia.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

That is bullshit bro
Do you really think that support for Turkey is at its highest rn just because they are opening some funds and are buying weapons from you? Please wake the hell up

In fact I would say that Europe's hatred, inferiority complex, and paranoia towards Turkey are on the rise. In European/Western media you see nothing other than how the barbarian turks are destroying the Western-based hegemony in Africa and the Middle East.

How Turkey is an unreliable ally that can betray NATO for Russia and China even though Greece (a so-called western nation), was caught selling NATO's weapons blueprints to China and yet no western media is talking about it. How Turkey is cruelly indirectly aiding in the killing of Ukrainians by not completely closing off its relations with Russia even though Greece uses its veto rights to block EU sanctions against Russia unless its ships gets a waiver for transporting Russian oil that finances Russia's war in Ukraine

I wont get into each nitty-gritty detail but I will tell you this: Europe's/West's current standing and wealth is based on the breakdown of sovereign nations from between 30-100 years ago within the region; primarily Turkey!

The moment Turkey got some strength back, the moment it liberated Syria, liberated Azerbaijan's karabakh, aided Sudan to retake its capital and soon all of its lands, replaced France's control over the Sahel region etc.... and this is with just a fraction of Turkey's strength; just imagine what it could do if it grew even more!

If you think Europe's posion-laced olive branch towards Turkey is a sign of increasing goodwill or acceptance then please tell me the type of weed you are smoking since I want some of it to get high as well

finally, in Europe's based "democracy", the opinion of the average masses is irrelevant; whats relevant is who controls the MONEY! As long as Jews control the money, they control the politicians; thus, they control the West and thats it. How many politicians were arrested after the Epstein files were released? One or two only, period!

Dont forget what Natenyahu said before: Even if the masses are against us, all Western leaders are supporting us in secret and promised us they they wont support sanctions against Israel.

@Mis_TR_Like
I don’t see that as an attack. Whilst we may have different political views, I have so far seen no reason to hope that the West represents the future of humanity or holds the authority to define it. They reject Turks, Kurds, Syrians, Arabs, Africans, Asians – whatever – regardless of how these ethnic groups are ultimately assessed. They are largely rejected in the US and Europe.
They are accepted as a labour force and as holiday destinations, but nothing more than that.

I work and live in Germany to earn money, but I have to put up with strange looks and endure subtle racism in social situations as well as in everyday matters such as looking for a flat, promotions, pay rises and other issues – and sometimes I’m overlooked as a result. Can I rule out the possibility that this also happens in Turkey? No, but the likelihood is simply lower if you’re qualified and among your peers.

You can see it in American and European TV series set in the future – that is, science fiction such as *Star Trek* and so on – do you see any Turks, Kurds, Arabs and so on in them? In their vision of an ideal future for humanity, there is no place for us. Why should we seek our future in a vision that offers us no place?
In their future, they explore planets, create new worlds and present themselves as progressive, whilst people like us are likely to be working in mines, in waste management and in industry.

I believe that if we become a centre of culture and technology – whether that’s ultimately in
Istanbul, Cairo or anywhere else – then we’ll be securing that for future generations too; we’ll then have earned our place at the table.

Ultimately, we are not one of them and must take our future into our own hands. One should not seek acceptance, but create it.

You guys need to calm down...

Firstly I don't trust the Europeans or Americans. They've backed terrorists and subversive religious organizations in Türkiye for decades.

With that said, the west as a whole is in decline. The good times are over, and whilst quality of life in the west will be superior to most of the world for decades to come, they've reached the limits of their power.

For years NGOs, bought out politicians and lobby groups have been accelerating the decline of the west. They've been pushing LGBT, mass immigration and a number of other malevolent agendas. Now the west is slowly transforming into what the Muslim world has been for the past 50 or so years. You'll see reactionary movements accross the west, and no this won't revive their power, if anything it'll sow the seeds of chaos.

Europe is weak, the US is incapable and hated by most of the world, meanwhile the youth in the west are as a whole sick of Israeli influence in their own countries. They're looking for new partners and Türkiye stands out as the best option. Does this mean we must accommodate them? No. But this "Decolonization Forum" is just stupid and bad PR. It's no different than the people in the US demanding that Türkiye return to the treaty of Sevres.

By the way, if you're saying "Cairo, Riyad, etc. are going to be new centers of technology and culture" I truly question your intelligence. The second oil money is gone a mass exodus will happen, why do you think Saudis and Qataris are snapping up property in Türkiye? Also this obsession with combining Turks, Arabs and Kurds as one is another agenda I'm not fond of, these people are as a whole a burden, they hate Turks, and Arabs in particular see us as "Mawali". I can see deepening cooperation with Syria and Iraq, but they'll back stab as as they've done before.

Türkiye should neither be striving to fit into the west, nor should it be choked by Arabic influence. We have our own unique culture, history and linguistic family, and ultimately we need to carve our own path instead of being foot soliders for Westerners or Arabs.