TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[HKY]

Buying license of 3. Gen Candu reactor would be great, even India's first nuclear bomb material was produced in a canadian supplied reactor.

 

[AlperTunga]

Apart from buying initially some drones from us for cheap surveillance purposes, they want to shorten their development times for more capable drones. I think it is worth sharing with them some technology on that domain in exchange for us gaining certain nuclear capabilities. This initial cooperation with them may open the door for joint projects in other areas. The more integrated we are internationally, the better.

 

[Burberryswine]

I mean forget the part of achieving nuclear weapon capabilities even gaining the upper hand to perhaps build more this time western standart nuclear power plants would be a very beneficial thing for Türkiye especially considering our need for nuclear power plants, without at least becoming fully independent on electricity you cannot imagine to become a very big and powerful factor in the new world order that is ruled by energy.

 

[Burberryswine]

Imo getting closer to Canada at least in the UAV scene could be quite beneficial and perhaps even lead to more exports in the future, who knows Kaans, Kizilelmas, Anka 3s or even just more very long endurance systems like the Akinci and Aksungur could be very useful for both canadian military and for wild fire watches.

 

[Saithan]

I think cooperating on Uav is fine, but not all areas. It's necessary to keep qualitative edge if possible because that is what the west does. We should ensure we get some TOT in the process, just money in itself is not enough. Also we should ensure to get our part first and not later.

 

[Corvus]

Just wondering: in case of a war, how many UAVs could Türkiye realistically operate at the same time with its current infrastructure and command-and-control capabilities? Could we handle dozens or even hundreds simultaneously, or would things like communications capacity and busy air bases due to heavy fighter operations limit the numbers?

 

[Huelague]

Just wondering: in case of a war, how many UAVs could Türkiye realistically operate at the same time with its current infrastructure and command-and-control capabilities? Could we handle dozens or even hundreds simultaneously, or would things like communications capacity and busy air bases due to heavy fighter operations limit the numbers?

We (humans) are not able to operate hundreds simultaneously, maybe. But AI could be able and some human operators.

 

[Corvus]

We (humans) are not able to operate hundreds simultaneously, maybe. But AI could be able and some human operators.

Why not if you have enough human beings?

 

[Zafer]

In civil air mobility applications they want to allow an operator to operate like 8 air vehicles, but it is not fighting, it only fights the air traffic.

 

[Fatman17]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2108492452453646573

 

[Huelague]

Why not if you have enough human beings?

I get that feeling that you missed the whole case of industrialisation and AI.

 

[Corvus]

I get that feeling that you missed the whole case of industrialisation and AI.

Maybe, but that's not an answer to my initial question.

 

[Sanchez]

"The Turkish armed forces ordered 80 Anka 3 UCAVs, with first delivery expected in 2027."

Turkish Aerospace expands Anka 3 production with new line for upgraded drone - Breaking Defense

A company official said the first aircraft to be built on the new line is expected to roll out "soon" and undergo flight testing afterward.

breakingdefense.com

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

"The Turkish armed forces ordered 80 Anka 3 UCAVs, with first delivery expected in 2027."

Turkish Aerospace expands Anka 3 production with new line for upgraded drone - Breaking Defense

A company official said the first aircraft to be built on the new line is expected to roll out "soon" and undergo flight testing afterward.

breakingdefense.com

Fantastic news

Pretty much addresses all our short term concerns. Let's hope they deliver.

 

[boredaf]

Pretty much addresses all our short term concerns.

How exactly? It is a bomber, possibly what we need the least right now. We haven't seen an AESA radar being integrated, nor have we seen it fire an a2a missile. In fact, I highly doubt a Murad radar can be just fitted into its nose at all, since it doesn't have a nose like an F-16 or KE and its air intake is right on top of the nose.

 

[Yasar_TR]

How exactly? It is a bomber, possibly what we need the least right now. We haven't seen an AESA radar being integrated, nor have we seen it fire an a2a missile. In fact, I highly doubt a Murad radar can be just fitted into its nose at all, since it doesn't have a nose like an F-16 or KE and its air intake is right on top of the nose.

Well, according to below article an Aesa radar is to be fitted on to Anka3.

ASELSAN to Integrate MURAD 100-A Radar on ANKA-III UCAV | TURDEF

ASELSAN stated that MURAD 100-A AESA radar will be integrated on TUSAŞ’s ANKA-III stealth UCAV following F-16, AKINCI UCAV, and KIZILELMA unmanned fighter.

turdef.com

As per your above points made ;
ASELSAN did not provide details on the integration timeline or modifications, but judging from MURAD 100-A’s size and the possible available space in ANKA-III’s current form, some changes to ANKA-III are sure to come.

Türkiye's ANKA III Stealth Drone Set to Gain Air-to-Air Strike Role With MURAD AESA Radar Integration

Türkiye is preparing to integrate ASELSAN’s MURAD AESA radar on the ANKA III stealth UCAV, opening the door to air-to-air combat roles.

www.armyrecognition.com

 

[boredaf]

Well, according to below article an Aesa radar is to be fitted on to Anka3.

ASELSAN to Integrate MURAD 100-A Radar on ANKA-III UCAV | TURDEF

ASELSAN stated that MURAD 100-A AESA radar will be integrated on TUSAŞ’s ANKA-III stealth UCAV following F-16, AKINCI UCAV, and KIZILELMA unmanned fighter.

turdef.com

As per your above points made ;
ASELSAN did not provide details on the integration timeline or modifications, but judging from MURAD 100-A’s size and the possible available space in ANKA-III’s current form, some changes to ANKA-III are sure to come.

Türkiye's ANKA III Stealth Drone Set to Gain Air-to-Air Strike Role With MURAD AESA Radar Integration

Türkiye is preparing to integrate ASELSAN’s MURAD AESA radar on the ANKA III stealth UCAV, opening the door to air-to-air combat roles.

www.armyrecognition.com

I know they said they will but either they have to increase the size of the drone considerably (I mean right now it basically don't have a nose to put Murad in and you can't just increase the nose size after all), or, they have to put the radars on the cheeks at an angle or something like that. And bigger drone would mean restarting tests all over again since we haven't seen one fly at all and it would also cause its engine to be underpowered until TF10K is ready.

 

[Yasar_TR]

According to Aselsan they are working on an Aesa radar for Anka 3.

Within this framework, MURAD 100-A AESA Nose Radar provides electronic beam steering and simultaneous air-to-air and air-to-ground engagement capabilities, including Beyond Visual Range missile guidance. The radar has successfully demonstrated its performance through flight tests on platforms such as F-16 Özgür, AKINCI UAV, and Bayraktar KIZILELMA, with integration activities ongoing for ANKA-III and additional platforms.

https://www.aselsan.com/en/medias/blog/aesa-radar-technologies-advancing-air-combat-capabilities

 

[boredaf]

According to Aselsan they are working on an Aesa radar for Anka 3.

Within this framework, MURAD 100-A AESA Nose Radar provides electronic beam steering and simultaneous air-to-air and air-to-ground engagement capabilities, including Beyond Visual Range missile guidance. The radar has successfully demonstrated its performance through flight tests on platforms such as F-16 Özgür, AKINCI UAV, and Bayraktar KIZILELMA, with integration activities ongoing for ANKA-III and additional platforms.

https://www.aselsan.com/en/medias/blog/aesa-radar-technologies-advancing-air-combat-capabilities

Again, I'm sure they are working on it but the nose has to be something like 70 or 80 cm in diameter (I think F-16 radome is about that size) to be able to fit Murad, if it was first designed to fit into an F-16 radome. Take a look at the nose of Anka-3, does that look like it can fit in there at all?

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I doubt that Ivchenko Progress can conjure up 80+ engines (plus spares) while the war rages in Ukraine.

Apparently, TAI and TEI have progressed so far with the TEI TF-6000/10000 turbofan engine that they are close to beginning flight tests with several prototypes maybe?

Ivchenko Progress could never handle that many engines, at least not right now… nor by 2030 or beyond.