TR Turkiye's F-35 Project and Discussions

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China and Europe are too far apart to have a real ''show down'' if anything then it will happen between Europe and Russia at some point again but not right now because Russia is weak and Europe more or less united.
China on the other hand has always been nothing more than a trading partner, Europes well being is for China more important than its alliance with Russia since Europe is the biggest customer of its products and services.
You don't need an old style war to have a show down but if they take over as a technological power, if they take away all the markets, if they manage to spread and impose their political views all over Asia and Africa...we're done for.
 

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Imagine poker with Erdogan. Anyone here could rinse him and walk away with his presidential palace and a bridge over the Bosporus
 

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And the Iranians, and everyone who can make a large VHF radar.
Iraq in 1991 had plenty of VHF radars. Did not help them much.

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Tactics also depends. The Serbs took down an F-117 with the same systems the Iraqi's had. And with modern day electronics and optics, stealth aircraft are easier to detect.
That happened because Americans became overconfident and careless. F-117 was flyng at same route at same time for 3 days in row.
 
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That happened because Americans became overconfident and careless. F-117 was flyng at same route at same time for 3 days in row.
But how was it taken down then? With prayers and wishes?
 

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But how was it taken down then? With prayers and wishes?
Stealth does not make you immune, it just make detection range reaction time and so on much smaller.
 

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Lol, but they already open a embassy in Tel Aviv. 😂
Exactly xD. Some Turks look Israel as a potential friend and blame Erdogan for growing the bad blood but I, as a kemalist and atheist Turk, confidently say that it is more on them that we are hostile towards each other.

They are an extremely paranoid and selfish country. They dont see trouble at putting barriers in front of even friendly nations just to keep all the power to themselves.
 

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Exactly xD. Some Turks look Israel as a potential friend and blame Erdogan for growing the bad blood but I, as a kemalist and atheist Turk, confidently say that it is more on them that we are hostile towards each other.

They are an extremely paranoid and selfish country. They dont see trouble at putting barriers in front of even friendly nations just to keep all the power to themselves.
Im one of those people but let me tell you why, from Israeli perspective an alliance with UAE is not worth the paper its written on, but Turkey is a whole another deal. For decades Turkey was basically Israels lifeline in ME, its a strong country that shares coast to the same sea, Israelis even used Turkish airspace for their training flights in the past and the military / intelligence cooperation was very strong. The enemies and rivals are more or less the same, and economic relations are even today still good.
What is an unstable tiny country across the Arabian peninsula compared to this? Israelis have upper hand over them by any means, they can promise stuff all day and not honor its afterwards with little to no consequences.

Remeber, there are not many countries where Israel issued an apologize to, twice, and even paid money for casualties done by its military, there is a good reason for that.
The ball was in Erdogans court to accept it and repair the realtions but he did not, instead he waited years so Israel could look for other allies and now he wants better relations...
 

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Im one of those people but let me tell you why, from Israeli perspective an alliance with UAE is not worth the paper its written on, but Turkey is a whole another deal. For decades Turkey was basically Israels lifeline in ME, its a strong country that shares coast to the same sea, Israelis even used Turkish airspace for their training flights in the past and the military / intelligence cooperation was very strong. The enemies and rivals are more or less the same, and economic relations are even today still good.
What is an unstable tiny country across the Arabian peninsula compared to this? Israelis have upper hand over them by any means, they can promise stuff all day and not honor its afterwards with little to no consequences.

Remeber, there are not many countries where Israel issued an apologize to, twice, and even paid money for casualties done by its military, there is a good reason for that.
The ball was in Erdogans court to accept it and repair the realtions but he did not, instead he waited years so Israel could look for other allies and now he wants better relations...
I see where you are coming from but they are behind destabilisation of Iraq and Syria and they will also destabilise Iran. Destabilisation of our neighbours destabilises us too. They support a Kurdistan to be founded upon Kurdish corridor.

The thread I opened in Israel subreddit: reddit

Yes, Erdogan supports Hamas and ihvanism which are dangerous groups/ideologies for Israel. Lets say Turkey is guilty in this regard. Why did they destabilise Syria and Iraq?

A very shocking fact(at least it was for me :D): the company that took out the mines of our Syrian border was Israeli. Why? They wanted Northern Syria, Kurdish corridor to be emptied of Arabs/Turkmens. They demographically shifted the region in favor of YPG. ISIS was the boogeyman, Turkey was the gate for Europe and when the border was cleaned of mines 5 million people flooded Turkey, reviving dead sicknesses, chaos, many militants got in etc. Well Erdogan was also alligned with west at the time so he probably did what US told him to do. An Israeli company getting the bid actually shows they in fact made sure it was done properly. Because Turkey, a country with so much experience against PKK, cant take out mines that it itself set?

They also for years lobbied against us by preventing us getting patriots. Now, too they are the reason we dont get f-35 it is not because of s400. There was no said concern when we were buying. They just used it as an excuse. See, their relationships improve even with UAE but they still prevent them getting F-35s. This completely exposes they were behind our ban on F35 project.
They didnt like us getting S400 neither btw. Noone is concerned because S400 will act like a spyware and learn about F35 thats horse shit. Turkey has already presented a report showing places where both systems are already close around the globe. Even suggested a team to spectate.

They simply dont want Turkey to be strong in air. Modern warfare=air force as Nagorno Karabakh and as 6 days war has shown.
They neither want us to have proper air defense systems nor good fighter jets.
When you lack a good air force neither ground force nor naval force matter. If you lack jets and air defense systems drones also dont matter. So I hope these S400s are as good as they are advertised because clearly S300s are junk.
 

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Im one of those people but let me tell you why, from Israeli perspective an alliance with UAE is not worth the paper its written on, but Turkey is a whole another deal. For decades Turkey was basically Israels lifeline in ME, its a strong country that shares coast to the same sea, Israelis even used Turkish airspace for their training flights in the past and the military / intelligence cooperation was very strong. The enemies and rivals are more or less the same, and economic relations are even today still good.
What is an unstable tiny country across the Arabian peninsula compared to this? Israelis have upper hand over them by any means, they can promise stuff all day and not honor its afterwards with little to no consequences.

Remeber, there are not many countries where Israel issued an apologize to, twice, and even paid money for casualties done by its military, there is a good reason for that.
The ball was in Erdogans court to accept it and repair the realtions but he did not, instead he waited years so Israel could look for other allies and now he wants better relations...

My 50kurus/cents about Israel real face from my real live experience and to those ppl which think that logical approach of putting own nation path aside and accept israel path as right (is a dream).
So little back in the pass in 2010 when Gaza flotilla raid happened and it was on world news. I remember that I did't expect that this incidence will make me to understand/feel what is jew hate against Turks.
It was not past 1-2 years from that Gaza flotilla raid incidence and here in Bulgaria there was Israel officials start and keep coming to talk shits on they visit on local news channels about how Israelis love Bulgarians etc.??!?

Later it happened that we understand that Israel F16 group of fighter will arrive in Bulgaria and stay here for more then month for exercise. It was exercise not with Bulgarian fleet it was only Israel group exercise on Bulgarian soil!

So how this affected me and change my view about those ppl and also changed opinion of ppl living in my City about jews .
This Israel F16 group of fighter made exercise every single day and continue to do the same thing and more then a month simulating attack on direction Turkey.
They keep passed over and over on my city on purpose because this is the only city in Bulgaria where which majority of ppl are Turks (~ 80%). Those noises from fighters does not stop and ppl start to hate them.

Even when we/ppl of city did complain about nonstop terror to the officials. It does not change anything at end.
My point is that we were not related to this incidence, but idea and possibility which was presented to Isreal pilots to simulate attack or terrorize Turks as opportunity was used without second thought.
 
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Im one of those people but let me tell you why, from Israeli perspective an alliance with UAE is not worth the paper its written on, but Turkey is a whole another deal. For decades Turkey was basically Israels lifeline in ME, its a strong country that shares coast to the same sea, Israelis even used Turkish airspace for their training flights in the past and the military / intelligence cooperation was very strong. The enemies and rivals are more or less the same, and economic relations are even today still good.
What is an unstable tiny country across the Arabian peninsula compared to this? Israelis have upper hand over them by any means, they can promise stuff all day and not honor its afterwards with little to no consequences.

Remeber, there are not many countries where Israel issued an apologize to, twice, and even paid money for casualties done by its military, there is a good reason for that.
The ball was in Erdogans court to accept it and repair the realtions but he did not, instead he waited years so Israel could look for other allies and now he wants better relations...

Israel has always been hostile to Turkey.

Remember this is the middle east we are talking about. Nobody has loyalty to anybody apart from their tribe.

If Turkey and Israel clashed. Turkish jews would always back Israel against us.
 

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