Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[trishna_amrta]

That was in our territory, you can see SKK Migas logo on the oil platform

Which territory I don't see any intrusion. Doesn't matter if there is Merah-Putih flying on the rig, or floating on the water. its still doesn't count as our territory or anyone else territory for that matter

 

[morningstar]

That was in our territory, you can see SKK Migas logo on the oil platform

Oops... You wrong. If you tried to raising hell, try again next time.

Viral Pesawat Tempur AS Terbang di Atas Kilang RI, TNI AU: Di Luar Teritori

Video menunjukkan satu unit pesawat tempur terbang rendah di perairan Natuna, Kepri. Disebut-sebut pesawat tempur tersebut milik militer AS.

news.detik.com

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Oops... You wrong. If you tried to raising hell, try again next time.

Its still weird tho, even its on our ZEE, why such AF didnt deploy fighter to intercept that plane or perhaps monitoring such behaviour?
I doubt AF and Navy didnt have any adequate radar to smell that plane.

Furthermore, theres F16 sq stationed at natuna.

 

[R4duga]

Its still weird tho, even its on our ZEE, why such AF didnt deploy fighter to intercept that plane or perhaps monitoring such behaviour?
I doubt AF and Navy didnt have any adequate radar to smell that plane.

Furthermore, theres F16 sq stationed at natuna.

there are ground master 200 in yon komposit 1 gardapati, perhaps they're not active at the moment .

 

[Aghost132483]

Oops... You wrong. If you tried to raising hell, try again next time.

hahaha... Natuna and oil platform is my work place dude, I can understand what TNI AU said about this, and it's not the first time we experience this kind of situation, some are not leaked into public. what you read is not the same with what actual. I don't want to extend this discussion, just to remind us to keep aware of South China Sea situation.

 

[Van Kravchenko]

hahaha... Natuna and oil platform is my work place dude, I can understand what TNI AU said about this, and it's not the first time we experience this kind of situation, some are not leaked into public. what you read is not the same with what actual. I don't want to extend this discussion, just to remind us to keep aware of South China Sea situation.

From the video above, how could you describe the ownership of the plane. If its straight to what you speak, then its could be clear that was TUDM plane, again try to harrash.

there are ground master 200 in yon komposit 1 gardapati, perhaps they're not active at the moment .

Could be, but looking at SCS heat up perhaps its active duty state but, all i get here the spokesman only give away what media need not the truth.

This make me got some worrysome.

 

[Aghost132483]

From the video above, how could you describe the ownership of the plane. If its straight to what you speak, then its could be clear that was TUDM plane, again try to harrash.



Could be, but looking at SCS heat up perhaps its active duty state but, all i get here the spokesman only give away what media need not the truth.

This make me got some worrysome.

I didn't said it was TUDM, someone else did, and I am not agree it was TUDM, because from the previous incident we experienced it with US Navy, my opinion is they try to "fishing" in South China Sea, nothing to do with us, that's why TNI AU not worried with them.

 

[morningstar]

I can understand what TNI AU said about this

Can understand what? More specific please

 

[JATOSINT]

Its still weird tho, even its on our ZEE, why such AF didnt deploy fighter to intercept that plane or perhaps monitoring such behaviour?
I doubt AF and Navy didnt have any adequate radar to smell that plane.

Furthermore, theres F16 sq stationed at natuna.

Keyword: UNCLOS and Peacetime

 

[morningstar]

I don't want to extend this discussion

More like you said "stop asking me more" for me. Idk

Can understand what? More specific please

Answer it please.

It's kind of like you spreading a hoax by said that bee (colloquial term) was buzzed in our territory, just like asbun (asal bunyi) while not give any prove that aircraft was violated our territory.

 

[Aghost132483]

More like you said "stop asking me more" for me. Idk

Answer it please.

It's kind of like you spreading a hoax by said that bee (colloquial term) was buzzed in our territory, just like asbun (asal bunyi) while not give any prove that aircraft was violated our territory.

Ok frankly, they are stronger, super power, we know our position on this. when there's a US Navy F-18, there's a CVN nearby. And you are not going to fly an F-16 to intercept it, remember the Bawean incident in 2003. As a super power they can bully a country whose power is below it and that's a fact, right now they are playing with China, they are not trying to disturb us.

 

[Anmdt]

don't be too harsh on them wkkwkw





If it is located in our ZEE, then:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1379478902368731139

The country which has right on the EEZ can regulate those aircrafts: requesting them to have transponder on for safety. Just the way ships are obliged apart from SOLAS, by EEZ sovereign state to have navigation safety equipment are present and running.

 

[morningstar]

Ok frankly, they are stronger, super power, we know our position on this. when there's a US Navy F-18, there's a CVN nearby. And you are not going to fly an F-16 to intercept it, remember the Bawean incident in 2003. As a super power they can bully a country whose power is below it and that's a fact, right now they are playing with China, they are not trying to disturb us.

Whatever you said on the comment above not answer my question.

So, you said that plane was pass through our territory is just your "dugaan" or what? And I have to believe your crazy zero evidence theory or Kadispenau? easy question

 

[BBOn]

Chapter 4: Military Activities in an EEZ – Law of the Sea

Military Activities in an Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) In May 2016, following a “dangerous” intercept by two Chinese J-11 fighter jets that approached within 50 feet of an U.S. EP-3 Aries reconnaissance aircraft, China’s Foreign Ministry demanded that the U.S.

sites.tufts.edu

Legality of Military Activities in an EEZ​

Most of the States that participated in the LOSC negotiations supported the view that military operations, exercises, and activities have always been regarded as internationally lawful uses of the sea and that the right to conduct such activities would continue for all States within the EEZs of other States.

Keep calm and stay SR

 

[Aghost132483]

Whatever you said on the comment above not answer my question.

So, you said that plane was pass through our territory is just your "dugaan" or what? And I have to believe your crazy zero evidence theory or Kadispenau? easy question

Evidence... If you're going to Natuna there are several oil platform there, and all of it painted with SKK Migas logo, like one you see on the video.

 

[JATOSINT]

The country which has right on the EEZ can regulate those aircrafts: requesting them to have transponder on for safety. Just the way ships are obliged apart from SOLAS, by EEZ sovereign state to have navigation safety equipment are present and running.

Maybe (which part/article of UNCLOS are you citing?)

Unwise to restrict foreign vessels in Malaysia's EEZ | New Straits Times

THE focus of National Defence University Malaysia Department of Strategic Studies lecturer Dr B.A. Hamzah’s commentary on “Foreign military exercises in straits harm sovereignty” (NST, May 16) and “Uncharted manoeuvres in waters” (RSIS Commentary, May 9) is the unilateral declaration submitted...

www.nst.com.my

 

[JATOSINT]

Ok frankly, they are stronger, super power, we know our position on this. when there's a US Navy F-18, there's a CVN nearby. And you are not going to fly an F-16 to intercept it, remember the Bawean incident in 2003. As a super power they can bully a country whose power is below it and that's a fact, right now they are playing with China, they are not trying to disturb us.

Evidence... If you're going to Natuna there are several oil platform there, and all of it painted with SKK Migas logo, like one you see on the video.

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Bawean Incident and the latest Natuna case are completely different cases. You need to learn about the difference between territorial waters and EEZ

 

[Parry Brima]

Ok frankly, they are stronger, super power, we know our position on this. when there's a US Navy F-18, there's a CVN nearby. And you are not going to fly an F-16 to intercept it, remember the Bawean incident in 2003. As a super power they can bully a country whose power is below it and that's a fact, right now they are playing with China, they are not trying to disturb us.

If that F-18 in our EEZ belongs to US Navy I don't really mind tbh.

BUT

if it belongs to TUDM then I'm really annoyed

 

[morningstar]

Evidence... If you're going to Natuna there are several oil platform there, and all of it painted with SKK Migas logo, like one you see on the video.

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That still not proving that video was taken in Indonesian territory. How you know that video was taken in Indonesian territory?

You need Eliot Higgins's brain, expertise, and resources to prove that video was taken in Indonesian territory and prove that Kadispenau was lied.

 

[Anmdt]

Maybe (which part/article of UNCLOS are you citing?)

Unwise to restrict foreign vessels in Malaysia's EEZ | New Straits Times

THE focus of National Defence University Malaysia Department of Strategic Studies lecturer Dr B.A. Hamzah’s commentary on “Foreign military exercises in straits harm sovereignty” (NST, May 16) and “Uncharted manoeuvres in waters” (RSIS Commentary, May 9) is the unilateral declaration submitted...

www.nst.com.my

Article 58:

1.In the exclusive economic zone, all States, whether coastal or land-locked, enjoy, subject to the relevant provisions of this Convention, the freedoms referred to in article 87 of navigation and overflight and of the laying of submarine cables and pipelines, and other internationally lawful uses of the sea related to these freedoms, such as those associated with the operation of ships, aircraft and submarine cables and pipelines, and compatible with the other provisions of this Convention.​

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2.Articles 88 to 115 and other pertinent rules of international law apply to the exclusive economic zone in so far as they are not incompatible with this Part.​

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3.In exercising their rights and performing their duties under this Convention in the exclusive economic zone, States shall have due regard to the rights and duties of the coastal State and shall comply with the laws and regulations adopted by the coastal State in accordance with the provisions of this Convention and other rules of international law in so far as they are not incompatible with this Part.​

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Article 87:

1.The high seas are open to all States, whether coastal or land-locked.Freedom of the high seas is exercised under the conditions laid down by this Convention and by other rules of international law. It comprises, inter alia,both for coastal and land-locked States:​

(a) freedom of navigation;​

(b) freedom of overflight;​

(c) freedom to lay submarine cables and pipelines, subject to Part VI;​

(d) freedom to construct artificial islands and other installations permitted under international law, subject to Part VI;​

(e) freedom of fishing, subject to the conditions laid down in section 2;​

(f) freedom of scientific research, subject to Parts VI and XIII.​

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2.These freedoms shall be exercised by all States with due regard for the interests of other States in their exercise of the freedom of the high seas,and also with due regard for the rights under this Convention with respect to activities in the Area​

Article 88-115 is about safety, rights, exclusions, exceptions etc and high seas.