Malaysia Scrambles Jets To Intercept Chinese Military Planes

[xizhimen]

China is whatever America was and is. You can't really change mind of rational people about China being peaceful and aiming peace at the region.
Those examples do not really correlate with what China has done.
Fishing vessels are individuals ,not affiliated to the state,
And airforce is an asset of state which is controlled by that.
A group of airplanes doing a fly-by and violating airspace is not an incident but a purposeful message, PLAAF showing off that they can pitch long hauls from mainland to the end of disputed waters telling ' we are capable or reaching here and doing flights with a full wing'
This is not an incident or tiny bit like renaming islands you claim or dispute of fisheries. This is a matter of national security for countries have sanity to interpret these actions.

If it is as you claim, then you should inform me when China apologies for this. If China does not apology then it is as i have said.
And i don't think there is a gray area for bringing a wing of airplanes.

And when China apologies i will fully agree with you, that Malaysia and China has a good relationship respecting each other. Otherwise not.

Every country in this region has their own perception of their sovreignty in this region and that's why they blame each other for violating their perceptions of this issue, this whole region is " disputed" , every country can demand others to "apologize", that's why no countries in this region really demand "apologies" from others but they just "protest" against each other. I hope you know what "disputed" means, there is no internationally recognised border demarcation there.

China is different from US, we are not the same, US wages wars around the world after WW2, China hasn't fired a single shot to another country for almost 4 decades.

 

[xizhimen]

China adopts a peaceful policy in South China Sea region and doesn't really seek to solve the disputes by force and China's presence in this region also keeps all other claimants in check. without China , all those smaller countries with similar naval strength will plunge the region into incessant wars and conflicts.

 

[Gary]

China is different from US, we are not the same, US wages wars around the world after WW2, China hasn't fired a single shot to another country for almost 4 decades.

You forgot Vietnam, or Korea.

 

[xizhimen]

You forgot Vietnam, or Korea.

That's why I said almost 4 decades, not 7 decades. Not many countries haven't fired a single bullet to another foreign country for this long.

 

[Gary]

That's why I said almost 4 decades, not 7 decades.

Doesn't matter, making comparison with the US doesn't help your image either.

You just can't accept that your PLA is doing team Biden a huge hearts and minds boost among many ASEAN states.

 

[xizhimen]

Doesn't matter, making comparison with the US doesn't help your image either.

You just can't accept that your PLA is doing team Biden a huge hearts and minds boost among many ASEAN states.

We are just doing what we have always been doing, and western media pulls all stops to hype them up and demonize China, even we do nothing, this western campaign to demonize China won't just stop and go away. China still has very good relations with ASEAN, this won't change by US propaganda against China.

 

[Gary]

We are just doing what we have always been doing, and western media pulls all stops to hype them up and demonize China, even we do nothing, this western campaign to demonize China won't just stop and go away. China still has very good relations with ASEAN, this won't change by US propaganda against China.

Good economic relationship doesn't always translate on how countries viewed you, for example Japan and China I believe both had a very good and beneficial economic relationship, does it somehow affect Japan to view you as friendly? The answer is off course no.


The world is not that simple, and your PLA is doing a good job on the behalf of USA ,making sure your neighbors view you suspiciously.

Not any amount of US govt attempt to vilify China will actually move ASEAN state to prep up , China has just did what the US had failed to do in years. Which is raising awareness of China's intent. Not surprising consider China had been on some self defeating moves lately, I might want to remind you, that it's China not the USA that finally doomed the CAI with EU.

 

[xizhimen]

Good economic relationship doesn't always translate on how countries viewed you, for example Japan and China I believe both had a very good and beneficial economic relationship, does it somehow affect Japan to view you as friendly? The answer is off course no.


The world is not that simple, and your PLA is doing a good job on the behalf of USA ,making sure your neighbors view you suspiciously.

Not any amount of US govt attempt to vilify China will actually move ASEAN state to prep up , China has just did what the US had failed to do in years. Which is raising awareness of China's intent. Not surprising consider China had been on some self defeating moves lately, I might want to remind you, that it's China not the USA that finally doomed the CAI with EU.

I m not actually only talking about economy and trade, China is the biggest trading partner of US, Japan, Korea, EU, UK, Australia...basically the whole west, but yes, it doesn't stop them from China bashing, I m talking about the overall relations, China and Malaysia enjoys healthy relationship, we have many mega projects going on in Malaysia and Malaysia also buys a lot of defence equipments from China, and China also help Malaysia with vaccines.

And people should know, many countries claim SCS, it's not only China, competing claimants blame each other for "misconducts" all the time in this region, but it doesn't hurt the healthy relations between them.

 

[xizhimen]

I might want to remind you, that it's China not the USA that finally doomed the CAI with EU.

EU is always part of the west and western alliance, we never have unrealistic wish that EU can be on China's side when US applies more pressure.
But EU sometimes says one thing and does the opposite, in 2020, for the first time in the whole history, China overtook US and became the biggest trading partner of EU.

 

[Gary]

I m not actually only talking about economy and trade, China is the biggest trading partner of US, Japan, Korea, EU, UK, Australia...basically the whole west, but yes, it doesn't stop them from China bashing, I m talking about the overall relations, China and Malaysia enjoys healthy relationship, we have many mega projects going on in Malaysia and Malaysia also buys a lot of defence equipments from China, and China also help Malaysia with vaccines.

And people should know, many countries claim SCS, it's not only China, competing claimants blame each other for "misconducts" all the time in this region, but it doesn't hurt the healthy relations between them.

Wrong, while I have to agree that the S.China Sea is a mess, you really can't hide the facts that China above anyone else, are identified as the main culprit of destabilization in the region. Basically the sole reason why ASEAN countries like Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines are spending so much on defense these days is to mitigate threats from China.

Because while disputes between Asean states are largerly controllable and peaceful, the same couldn't be said about China who continue to harass to the point of ramming and sinking other nationals fishing vessels in the area.

What I can say is, continue doing this, ASEAN states just don't back down, and the US (your main geopolitical rival) had all the geopolitical gains it could achieve by the PLA continuing to do so.

 

[xizhimen]

Wrong, while I have to agree that the S.China Sea is a mess, you really can't hide the facts that China above anyone else, are identified as the main culprit of destabilization in the region. Basically the sole reason why ASEAN countries like Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines are spending so much on defense these days is to mitigate threats from China.

Because while disputes between Asean states are largerly controllable and peaceful, the same couldn't be said about China who continue to harass to the point of ramming and sinking other nationals fishing vessels in the area.

What I can say is, continue doing this, ASEAN states just don't back down, and the US (your main geopolitical rival) had all the geopolitical gains it could achieve by the PLA continuing to do so.

S. China's Seas disputes among countries in the proximity are always there, it was not made by China in the first place. and how China destabilizes the region? every country now is spending big money in defence, not only ASEAN countries, many ASEAN countries main weapon supplier is China, they build up their defence against each other, no one in their right mind will believe they can build up their defence to match China.
China and ASEAN can only grow closer in the future, I don't have to convince you on this point, let both of us wait and see.

 

[Gary]

S. China's Seas disputes among countries in the proximity are always there, it was not made by China in the first place. and how China destabilizes the region? every country now is spending big money in defence, not only ASEAN countries, many ASEAN countries main weapon supplier is China, they build up their defence against each other, no one in their right mind will believe they can build up their defence to match China.
China and ASEAN can only grow closer in the future, I don't have to convince you on this point, let both of us wait and see.

Many here maybe include Myanmar, Cambodia and Laos, which is not that central to ASEAN, the main player are not that fond of Chinese weapons.

Indonesia stopped using Chinese missiles and electronics for it's batch 3 and 4 FAC, replacing it with Terma and MBDA solutions. Malaysia only buys 4 small Sundang class patrol boats, not a big deal. Philippines had some assault rifles and small tiny boats donated by China and that's it. The only big ticket purchase from China is Thai Navy submarine which they only order one after budget issues.

Your statement is ovehyped.

While it's true that no one had the illusion of facing China alone, that doesn't mean we've stopped trying, Indonesia for it's part will spend up to $125B in arms procurement in the next 4 years , arming with one specific country in mind (not Malaysia, Philippines or East Timor for sure).

And yes, we will watch and see.

 

[xizhimen]

While it's true that no one had the illusion of facing China alone, that doesn't mean we've stopped trying, Indonesia for it's part will spend up to $125B in arms procurement in the next 4 years , arming with one specific country in mind (not Malaysia, Philippines or East Timor for sure).

And yes, we will watch and see.

The so called anti China alliance in ASEAN will never happen, we have constructive relations with all and every single of ASEAN nation, China and ASEAN can only grow closer, US will only pull out faster, we'll wait and see.

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China and Indonesia have conducted joint naval exercises near Jakarta, Beijing said on Sunday, amidst tension over fishing rights in the South China Sea.

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[Anmdt]

Every country in this region has their own perception of their sovreignty in this region and that's why they blame each other for violating their perceptions of this issue, this whole region is " disputed" , every country can demand others to "apologize", that's why no countries in this region really demand "apologies" from others but they just "protest" against each other. I hope you know what "disputed" means, there is no internationally recognised border demarcation there.

China is different from US, we are not the same, US wages wars around the world after WW2, China hasn't fired a single shot to another country for almost 4 decades.

Last incident is not about the EEZ it is about violation of the airspace, it is not something up to discussion regarding to the EEZ but it is a threat to the sovereignty of Malaysia.
So please stop manipulating the topic and focus the title,
Chinese military airplanes have violated Malaysian airspace, not EEZ. Threatened sovereignty of Malaysia, not their EEZ.

 

[Anmdt]

We are just doing what we have always been doing, and western media pulls all stops to hype them up and demonize China, even we do nothing, this western campaign to demonize China won't just stop and go away. China still has very good relations with ASEAN, this won't change by US propaganda against China.

It is also Malaysia media this time also the official declarations. See the posts from @guest_07 , or see the messages from Malaysian government.

These countries with or without interference of west has all rights to defend themselves against any agressor, you shouldn't be disturbed by some countries coming together to protect their sovereignty just because it might danger ultimate Chinese dreams in the region.
All your desire is those countries being silent and digested by China. You, the party, don't want those country's to be independent, you don't even respect them at the first place.

It will happen sooner or later as China keeps acting like a bully, just like USSR has been doing in cold war and causing some countries to hop into the NATO. Like it or not, those countries will come together to defend their sovereignty which you hate to see or hear, will be independent on their own unlike what China keeps wetly dreaming.

I suggest you to be geniune with your replies it is too obvious you follow a text and algorithm and keep returning to the same point without any progress in the discussion. @Nilgiri you did really crack their algorithm

 

[xizhimen]

Last incident is not about the EEZ it is about violation of the airspace, it is not something up to discussion regarding to the EEZ but it is a threat to the sovereignty of Malaysia.
So please stop manipulating the topic and focus the title,
Chinese military airplanes have violated Malaysian airspace, not EEZ. Threatened sovereignty of Malaysia, not their EEZ.

China also has air bases in South China Sea, this whole region is disputed, setting up some air bases in that region won't change the general situation there.

 

[xizhimen]

It is also Malaysia media this time also the official declarations. See the posts from @guest_07 , or see the messages from Malaysian government.

Malaysia government also issues warnings and protest to other claimants in SCS, I m talking about is the general government foreign policies, China and Malaysia in general have very good relations, Malaysian foreign minister even calls China an elder brother and we are of one family. the so called counter China alliance is your personal fantasy which will never happen.

 

[Anmdt]

China also has air bases in South China Sea, this whole region is disputed, setting up some air bases in that region won't change the general situation there.

Malaysia government also issues warnings and protest to other claimants in SCS, I m talking about is the general government foreign policies, China and Malaysia in general have very good relations, Malaysian foreign minister even calls China an elder brother and we are of one family. the so called counter China alliance is your personal fantasy which will never happen.

Back to the point which we have started, end of the text?

 

[Gary]

The so called anti China alliance in ASEAN will never happen, we have constructive relations with all and every single of ASEAN nation, China and ASEAN can only grow closer, US will only pull out faster, we'll wait and see.

China, Indonesia Hold Joint Naval Exercises Near Jakarta​

The drills took place on Saturday morning and were part of the Chinese Navy’s annual training program.​

TONG ONG MAY 10, 2021

China, Indonesia Hold Joint Naval Exercises Near Jakarta

China and Indonesia have conducted joint naval exercises near Jakarta, Beijing said on Sunday, amidst tension over fishing rights in the South China Sea.

www.thedefensepost.com

China and Indonesia hold war games exercises one Australia's doorstep

Guided-missile frigates from China and Indonesia practiced attack formation maneuvers, search and rescue operations and communication drills on Australia's doorstep over the weekend.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Do you think this is something to be proud of??

do you know that we have more PASSEX with Australia and India in a span of a year than that with China in a span of 8 year??

 

[Gary]

man @beijingwalker you're late to the party.


ID Navy and RAN PASSEX 2021

https://403.tnial.mil.id/berita/8590/KRI-RADEN-EDDY-MARTADINATA-331-LAKSANAKAN-PASSAGE-EXERCISE-DENGAN-KAPAL-PERANG-AUSTRALIA/

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1390549631126282242

ID Navy and Marine Nationale PASSEX 2021

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ID Navy and JMSDF PASSEX 2021

https://koarmada1.tnial.mil.id/artikel/detail/346-kri-bung-tomo-357-melaksanakan-latihan-dengan-kapal-perang-jepang

ID Navy and IN Navy PASSEX 2021

India, Indonesia Joint Naval Exercise IND-INDO ​​Coordinated Patrol - MilitaryLeak.COM

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In fact Indonesian Navy had their most routine patrol with Australian Navy , hehe. We've been doing this routine since the 2000s, while the last time we do exercise with China is 2013 iirc.

Australia Defence Force even had an Twitter page dedicated for the friendship of the two neighbors, written in Bahasa, sorry to say but China has a lot of catching up. not just with Indonesia but with many important ASEAN countries as a whole

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1336181461037150208

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1395738067441389568