Malaysia Scrambles Jets To Intercept Chinese Military Planes

[xizhimen]

Malaysia FM Hishamuddin: We (China Malaysia) are one family. You (China) are always my elder brother.

马来西亚外长记者会上秀中文：中马都是一家人

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[Anmdt]

This is your personal perspective formed through western media, the truth is far from that. China maintains very good relations with all of them, we are nowhere close to any military conflicts.

At least western media has a crowd and various voices, and yet i don't believe in them without any questions i do follow variable sources to form my ideas. Unlike Chinese media which has only one head, one source and monitored constantly, manipulating; which you seem to base your opinions on and keep feeding on, western media has freedom of speech.

 

[xizhimen]

Nobody has right to examine ships within the EEZ, EEZ is about sharing natural resources not about examination. Chinese fisheries are known to exploit natural resources without respecting anybody else in the region and drying it up.

Apparently this guy have no information or an actual strategical knoweldge to do the critical thinking about the issue. He appearantly accepts the Chinese dominance in the seas that belongs to them.

So China shouldn't be provoked despite of their provocations and these countries should be silent against all those even if an entire flotilla passes over their homeland and they supposed just sit and watch because it might be some " minor incident"?
Anyway did China posted an official apology for the incident happened yesterday? If it was not intentional or an accident happened during an exercise there should be an official apology right?
Obviously the incident was intentional and was a message.
Those 4 countries are sovereign countries and they have all means of rights to set up anything to defend themselves against anyone, primarily China because it is the only country which constantly disturbs and harasses.

You can believe whatever you want to believe , I just want to tell you that China maintains very good relations with all those countries, there's no way they will form a defence alliance against China, you can forget about it.

 

[Anmdt]

You can believe whatever you want to believe , I just want to tell you that China maintains very good relations with all those countries, there's no way they will form a defence alliance against China, you can forget about it.

Well at least i have freedom of the belief, thanks for granting that.

 

[xizhimen]

At least western media has a crowd and various voices, and yet i don't believe in them without any questions i do follow variable sources to form my ideas. Unlike Chinese media which has only one head, one source and monitored constantly, manipulating; which you seem to base your opinions on and keep feeding on, western media has freedom of speech.

I lived in the west for many years, I know how their " freedom of speech" works, it's a more devious way to brainwash people. That's why all foreigners were shocked when they first visited China, exclaiming that China is just poles apart from what they learned from their media.

 

[Anmdt]

I lived in the west for many years, I know how their " freedom of speech" works, it's a more devious way to brainwash people. That's why all foreigners were shocked when they first visited China, exclaiming that China is just poles apart from what they learned from their media.

No worries i know how media works in west, it is used for manipulation as well but you can still hear different voice and see the colours.
In Chinese media you can only see propaganda, constant manipulation and voices from a single head.
Freedom of speech does not mean a prevention of the manipulation, and the topic goes into the brainwashing i don't really suggest you to swim in dangerous seas which China has been famous of practicing.

 

[Anmdt]

Malaysia FM Hishamuddin: We (China Malaysia) are one family.

Keep posting any kind of posts to distribute your propaganda, i have been telling 10 years ago as well, that those countries need a military allegiance either against China or anybody else may appear to exploit or threaten them.
Just for now It is China which constantly keeps threatening them in the field while smiling politically on the background in meetings.
Posting such things will not suddenly clear the things China has done, specifically the incident which is written in the title of this thread which China has not still apologized for.

 

[xizhimen]

i have been telling 10 years ago as well, that those countries need a military allegiance either against China or anybody else may appear to exploit or threaten them.

LoL, I don't know you've been working on this for 10 years, how much longer do you think they will form an military alliance against China? Now China enjoys very good relations with all of them.

 

[Anmdt]

LoL, I don't know you've been working on this for 10 years, how much longer do you think they will form an military alliance against China? Now China enjoys very good relations with all of them.

I don't work for that but i do keep expressing my ideas whenever the topic comes out, there is nothing laughable here too.
Yes indeed China enjoys it, those countries not.

 

[xizhimen]

I don't work for that but i do keep expressing my ideas whenever the topic comes out, there is nothing laughable here too.
Yes indeed China enjoys it, those countries not.

They themselves say having good relations with China, do you think you can speak for their governments? Are you related to Malaysia?

 

[Anmdt]

They themselves say having good relations with China, do you think you can speak for their governments? Are you related to Malaysia?

I have some friends lets say and i know how people perceives China.
Governments change, state is the permanent one. Current act of China is a threat for the state of Malaysia if not for the government.
Freedom of speech, i can express my ideas freely, you may not acquinted with this term.

 

[xizhimen]

I have some friends lets say and i know how people perceives China.
Governments change, state is the permanent one. Current act of China is a threat for the state of Malaysia if not for the government.
Freedom of speech, i can express my ideas freely, you may not acquinted with this term.

I have no problem with your freedom of speech, I just say you only speak for yourself, you can't speak for Malaysians and so called anti China alliance between those countries will never come.

 

[Anmdt]

you can't speak for Malaysians and so called anti China allian

And who restricts me from doing so?

You as well can't speak on behalf of those countries telling that they have a good relationship with China. While obviously China is not threating them nicely.

By the way, i don't have an anti-china propaganda, and you who is obviously carrying on pro-china propagand in this thread, i state that every soverign nation has rights to form any kind of alliance to defend themselves from any kind of threat.
Since the thread is linked to China's disrespect to Malaysian airspace i am particularly calling them to form an alliance to counter such incidents which China more frequently practices.

If it was US or Japan my reaction would be the same i would call them to form an alliance to defend their soils.
If it was US or Japan who were violating malaysian airspace i can guess what your attitude would be.

 

[xizhimen]

And who restricts me from doing so?

You as well can't speak on behalf of those countries telling that they have a good relationship with China. While obviously China is not threating them nicely.

By the way, i don't have an anti-china propaganda, and you who is obviously carrying on pro-china propagand in this thread, i state that every soverign nation has rights to form any kind of alliance to defend themselves from any kind of threat.
Since the thread is linked to China's disrespect to Malaysian airspace i am particularly calling them to form an alliance to counter such incidents which China more frequently practices.

If it was US or Japan my reaction would be the same i would call them to form an alliance to defend their soils.
If it was US or Japan who were violating malaysian airspace i can guess what your attitude would be.

As I mentioned , it's a minor bickering which happens all the time between several competing claimant states in this region but everything involving China is just being massively exaggerated by the western media. Countris blame each other in this region in order to strengthen their claim and make their point, that's it.
The west and their media blames China for everything, but every country in this region maintains good relations with each other, we are not Americans, bringing guns to every disagreement.

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[Anmdt]

The west and their media blames China for everything, but every country in this region maintains good relations with each other, we are not Americans, bringing guns to every disagreement.

China is whatever America was and is. You can't really change mind of rational people about China being peaceful and aiming peace at the region.
Those examples do not really correlate with what China has done.
Fishing vessels are individuals ,not affiliated to the state,
And airforce is an asset of state which is controlled by that.
A group of airplanes doing a fly-by and violating airspace is not an incident but a purposeful message, PLAAF showing off that they can pitch long hauls from mainland to the end of disputed waters telling ' we are capable or reaching here and doing flights with a full wing'
This is not an incident or tiny bit like renaming islands you claim or dispute of fisheries. This is a matter of national security for countries have sanity to interpret these actions.

If it is as you claim, then you should inform me when China apologies for this. If China does not apology then it is as i have said.
And i don't think there is a gray area for bringing a wing of airplanes.

And when China apologies i will fully agree with you, that Malaysia and China has a good relationship respecting each other. Otherwise not.

 

[guest_07]

Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh to Muslim
& Good day to the rest

Malaysia protests ‘suspicious’ Chinese air force activity over South China Sea​

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The foreign ministry of Malaysia has said it would summon China’s envoy to explain an “intrusion” by 16 air force planes into its airspace,
after the south-east Asian country’s military detected “suspicious” activity over the South China Sea.

Malaysia’s air force said it scrambled jets on Monday after the planes flew within 60 nautical miles off Sarawak state of Malaysian Borneo.

It described the incident as a “serious threat to national sovereignty and flight safety”.

The Chinese planes did not contact regional air traffic control despite being instructed to do so several times, the air force said.

Hishammuddin Hussein, Malaysia’s foreign minister, said he would issue a note of diplomatic protest and ask China’s ambassador to explain the “breach of airspace and sovereignty”.

“Malaysia’s stand is clear – having friendly diplomatic relations with any countries does not mean that we will compromise on our national security,” Hishammuddin said in a statement.

 

[Gary]

Time to set-up a joint force, not something like NATO to great extends, not like QUAD which is based on political reasons but pure self-defense reasons to show teeth against the China upon such incursions.
I don't see any reason why Malaysia-Indonesia-Philippines-Singapore to not set a joint rapid response force.

The thing about power is that it is relative, what I mean is , you become more powerful when people around you are weaker, while you become weaker (in relative terms) when people's around you are stronger, what ASEAN countries can do best now is to muscle up, so that they in relative aggregate terms avoid China becoming too powerful.

 

[BordoEnes]

The thing about power is that it is relative, what I mean is , you become more powerful when people around you are weaker, while you become weaker (in relative terms) when people's around you are stronger, what ASEAN countries can do best now is to muscle up, so that they in relative aggregate terms avoid China becoming too powerful.

This. If each individual country beefs up their military enough then it would collectively be able to challenge Chinese ambitions. Nobody is going to beat China in the South China Sea, but if the countries push back then it would make China think twice before pulling this type of crap and would effectively force them into atleast a standstill, maybe even push them out.

 

[Gary]

This. If each individual country beefs up their military enough then it would collectively be able to challenge Chinese ambitions. Nobody is going to beat China in the South China Sea, but if the countries push back then it would make China think twice before pulling this type of crap and would effectively force them into atleast a standstill, maybe even push them out.

10/10…that is the very principle of a deterrence, is not trying to win over your enemy, it's trying to complicate, yes complicate your enemy's calculations, Indonesian's in particular should stop seeing this from merely our POV, and start seeing this from China POV (PLA Navy POV to be exact), now imagine you're the PLAN South Sea Fleet, you know you're the largest in the hood, but wouldn't it be more complicated if down south everybody is ramping up their military? the calculations to start war will be higher because ASEAN being stronger will increase your risk for a successful military op, and automatically reduce your appetite to start a war.

 

[Nilgiri]

It is futile to deal (past a point) with the OCD of totalitarian regime supporters.

There are basically 5 agenda items, and line 6 says "see point 1 and repeat". It is stuck on the keyboard and following of it is monitored to its faithfulness....in same little red book way as before.

The OCD is exacerbated by the commensurate time being put in seemingly not changing/swaying what non-totalitarians are used to in their relative diversity of opinion approach they take for granted.

i.e If the promise of X amount of input returning Y amount of result (like has been trumpeted as reference in the totalitarian state propaganda sciences) is not fulfilled ..... it predictably triggers a quicker spontaneous churn of agenda items in response.

Simply there is significant time elapsed with no development of dismount latitude and perspective in this level of complex to develop this level of OCD. It is all evident in the volume/type of threads started, specifically the skewed narrative they all share in glory to the totalitarian regime. We are numba wan, so we shall have numba wan number of threads.

Hence also the inability to just say "it is your opinion, and I disagree"...... rather the predictable "you are result of western media, you cannot speak for this collective as you are part of THAT collective" etc etc (2 of the 5 major agenda items on list)..... i.e the typical ingrained erosion of the individual existence and perspective (and hypocritically too if you dig deeper into selective use of western media when it suits narrative seemingly).

When you know collectivist extremism and its psychological effects like the back of one's hand, this is all same deja vu.

Extreme collectivism is an ideology that leaves little to no latitude, thus you will see OCD at the monolith-regime level too (but it is seen as perfectly normal and even encouraged for the regime, the face/facade is paramount)....so its no surprise it makes it in a default and in minutiae way to every ardent supporter, apologist, lackey and less civil terms which I will not mention.

So you get both this incident by the regime and the gaslighting and strawmanning by typical quarters.

It is evident that non-totalitarian entities (both big and small) must always seek common ground and strength to unite against such whichever time and place we are talking about.