Turkey in the 1980s

[Null/Void]

You could try "Modern Turkiye Tarihi" by Finley.
Turkey is not alone in being "in a pickle", lots of other countries are.
Even the world's sole superpower is struggling with finding its identity and inner peace. #BlackLivesMatter
Turkey will be just fine. I for one am not worried.

Well America use to "characterizes" countries as good and bad well karma bites back thanks for the suggestions

 

[Sinan]

Because that might have political undertones, I'm not willing to open up that can of worms at this time my friend. Whole books can be written about that and people who live in Turkey already know what I know. But I can tell you that quality of life HAS RISEN in Turkey since the 80's. No doubt. I assume it's the case in most places around the world.

How would you define "quality of life"?

 

[YourTurkishMaster]

Turkey even produced its own cars the Anadol interesting for a country like that back then

A car which was more than mediocre and which noone buyed back than. Anadol was the reason why Mustafa Koc said before his death that making a turkish brand is "bussiness suicide"

 

[Ryder]

All in all, 90s were better than the 80's. At least there weren't any left wing-right wing massacres. But 90's had their own set of crises. I mean, who can forget Susurluk, for example?

The world was also very different. Soviets had just collapsed. Serbs were massacring muslims in Kosovo. Kids were playing the first PlayStation. US troops were waging the gulf war. Internet was just becoming mainstream. And Bill Clinton was getting his dick sucked by Monica Lewinsky.

1999 belgrade bombings where NATO gave what the serbs deserve.

All of Serbia should have been carpet bombed to hell.

 

[Anmdt]

A car which was more than mediocre and which noone buyed back than. Anadol was the reason why Mustafa Koc said before his death that making a turkish brand is "bussiness suicide"

Its a shame to call Anadol mediocre, it was expensive yes but you could even repair that on your own with some epoxy and fibers, i still got one running but it doesn't pass through biannual checks , so only driving at hometown from year to year, i wont let it go.
If only goats haven't eaten those, it would have been better
the latest prototypes were quite good and modern, also had aliminum body like modern versions, unfortunately those weren't realized.

 

[Null/Void]

A car which was more than mediocre and which noone buyed back than. Anadol was the reason why Mustafa Koc said before his death that making a turkish brand is "bussiness suicide"

Its a shame to call Anadol mediocre, it was expensive yes but you could even repair that on your own with some epoxy and fibers, i still got one running but it doesn't pass through biannual checks , so only driving at hometown from year to year, i wont let it go.
If only goats haven't eaten those, it would have been better
the latest prototypes were quite good and modern, also had aliminum body like modern versions, unfortunately those weren't realized.

Hey at least it was start at least lets hope TOGG has some success, did they ever export them anywhere I know TOFAS built basically FIAT assembled cars for the Mid East and Eastern Europe but Turkey wasn't the only one that made crappy cars I mean the USSR had Lada again FIAT assembled tho I had glimpse once of GAZ Moscovitich at some event years back and the car was gangsta felt like 70s American land boat no wonder it was fit for CPSU party bosses

 

[Null/Void]

 

[Yoyo]

This is more like it...

Türkiye - 1980

HALF A MILLION people in Turkey, mostly innocent, were imprisoned and tortured by the pro-US military junta. All democratic political parties were disbanded. New ones had to be formed conforming to the junta's pro-US constitution before the next election.

How do we know that the Turkish military in the 80's was a complete tool and puppet of the US used for subduing the Turkish people and serving US interests in the wider region? Well, among other things, this famous bit right here:

American support of this coup was acknowledged by the CIA Ankara station chief Paul Henze. After the government was overthrown, Henze cabled Washington, saying, “our boys [in Ankara] did it.”

Turkey's Coup Attempt Had Nothing to Do With Restoring Democracy or Human Rights. Sorry?

Despite the shocked reactions of your worldly Facebook friends, there was nothing particularly surprising about the recent coup attempt in Turkey. Foreig...

www.huffpost.com

By "our boys", the CIA Ankara station chief of course means this asshole and his goons:

 

[Deliorman]

For me, it was never shitty in Turkey as claimed by that member but situation in Kuala Lumpur was better in 90's (in comparison to Ankara) or perhaps, better globalised.

Kuala Lumpur is probably better than Ankara nowadays too... Especially when it comes to economic opportunities, development and global status. It’s a shame that Turkey’s capital city is so isolated from world trade and affairs... so much wasted potential not only there but in other big cities in Turkey too.

 

[Yoyo]

Kuala Lumpur is probably better than Ankara nowadays too... Especially when it comes to economic opportunities, development and global status. It’s a shame that Turkey’s capital city is so isolated from world trade and affairs... so much wasted potential not only there but in other big cities in Turkey too.

Maybe that's because of the fact that Kuala Lumpur is a port city and sits in the middle of a major southeast asian trade route?

,.. whereas Ankara sits between Cankiri and Eskisehir.

 

[bsruzm]

Kuala Lumpur is probably better than Ankara nowadays too... Especially when it comes to economic opportunities, development and global status. It’s a shame that Turkey’s capital city is so isolated from world trade and affairs... so much wasted potential not only there but in other big cities in Turkey too.

There weren't any Petronas Towers back then. I can't disagree with @Yoyo

 

[Kaptaan]

Kuala Lumpur is probably better than Ankara nowadays too... Especially when it comes to economic opportunities, development and global status. It’s a shame that Turkey’s capital city is so isolated from world trade and affairs... so much wasted potential not only there but in other big cities in Turkey too.

KL is a dump. A tropical dump. I have been there and would NEVER go back. You guys have Istanbul which is on the cusp of being a global city. A global fulcrum. Bang in the centre of west, east, north and south. The problem with Ankara is Istanbul will always lead and "suck the oxygen" out of Ankara. New York and Washington is a good analogy.

I am surprised by some Turks having a negative outlook on their country. You guys should be celebrating. You have broken into the First World club. Whether you support Erdo or not the future is bright. Don't get taken in too much by the trough you might find yourself in now. The long term outlook is up, up and up.

 

[Null/Void]

This is more like it...

Türkiye - 1980

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HALF A MILLION people in Turkey, mostly innocent, were imprisoned and tortured by the pro-US military junta. All democratic political parties were disbanded. New ones had to be formed conforming to the junta's pro-US constitution before the next election.

How do we know that the Turkish military in the 80's was a complete tool and puppet of the US used for subduing the Turkish people and serving US interests in the wider region? Well, among other things, this famous bit right here:

American support of this coup was acknowledged by the CIA Ankara station chief Paul Henze. After the government was overthrown, Henze cabled Washington, saying, “our boys [in Ankara] did it.”

Turkey's Coup Attempt Had Nothing to Do With Restoring Democracy or Human Rights. Sorry?

Despite the shocked reactions of your worldly Facebook friends, there was nothing particularly surprising about the recent coup attempt in Turkey. Foreig...

www.huffpost.com

By "our boys", the CIA Ankara station chief of course means this asshole and his goons:

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The way the Media in the West and America covers Turkey is very big injustice they do its too linear Turkey pre Erdogan and Post Erdogan cause Turkey lets be frank prior to the AKP/Erdogan usually kept to itself it was not really in the news as much lets say like its Arab neighbors or Isreal if it was then 1974 Cyprus operation but that fell out of the way usually those highlighting Turkey or Turks in general were the large Greek-American lobby groups and diaspora mainly in the North East but it did seem in the 1970s that Turkey was shifting away from US/NATO especially improving ties with the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc under Premiership of Bulent Ecevit who was more left wing 1979 was the focal point Iran turned its direction away from America completely and so the coup happen and contrary to low brained western and American "think tanks" and observers Turkish generals encouraged "Islamism" to counter left wing anti American voices

Kuala Lumpur is probably better than Ankara nowadays too... Especially when it comes to economic opportunities, development and global status. It’s a shame that Turkey’s capital city is so isolated from world trade and affairs... so much wasted potential not only there but in other big cities in Turkey too.

Maybe that's because of the fact that Kuala Lumpur is a port city and sits in the middle of a major southeast asian trade route?

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,.. whereas Ankara sits between Cankiri and Eskisehir.

Ankara is Turkey's Washington DC big deal its meant for legislation and enactment of laws tho Turkey is very Istanbul centric no doubt but this is not a Turkish problem but a global problem bigger urban areas take too much representation

KL is a dump. A tropical dump. I have been there and would NEVER go back. You guys have Istanbul which is on the cusp of being a global city. A global fulcrum. Bang in the centre of west, east, north and south. The problem with Ankara is Istanbul will always lead and "suck the oxygen" out of Ankara. New York and Washington is a good analogy.

I am surprised by some Turks having a negative outlook on their country. You guys should be celebrating. You have broken into the First World club. Whether you support Erdo or not the future is bright. Don't get taken in too much by the trough you might find yourself in now. The long term outlook is up, up and up.

Over the decades I have been to most of the major cities of the world. I was in Dubai with my son last week for 3 days. Because of the Covid there are some incredible savings to be made. As a life time petrol head I got chance to drive various super cars along with my son who shares the same passion. I got some great videos which I will upload when I get the time. But Dubai nice as it is can't compare to Istanbul. Somewhat sterile. Too artificial. Too trying to be trhen being something original. Istanbul is on another league.

We did some drives at 140 miles on the desert highways. It was fun but I was in Istanbul earlier in August. That was something else. And I will be going to Istanbul again to see some apartments. I have telling everbody buy, buy in Istanbul now before it's too late. Lira is down.

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Dubai is a artificial dump Gulf Arabs struck Black Gold and then hired cheap South Asian cheap labor to build these skyscraper monstrosity and got help from daddy America for protection

 

[Deliorman]

Maybe that's because of the fact that Kuala Lumpur is a port city and sits in the middle of a major southeast asian trade route?

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,.. whereas Ankara sits between Cankiri and Eskisehir.

Well, you are right that KL has a pretty good location close to probably the busiest sea route in the world and Ankara is an inland city yet it is a shame that Ankara as a city with a population of 5-6 million people and a capital of a country of 85 million people is mostly disconnected from the world. Many big cities are far away from the sea but at least they have flight connections to the world. At the same time Ankara is connected to what? A few flights to Tehran/Baghdad/Jeddah/Amman/Baku, to Moscow’s third wheel airport, a few flights to some places in Germany, and the furthest destination of all is... Kabul.

A city like this should try to be connected to all bigger cities in Europe and the Middle East, to the Capitals of Central Asia and maybe a few longer flights like somewhere in East Asia or New York and Toronto. Turkey is not just Istanbul, Istanbul and Istanbul.

 

[Null/Void]

Well, you are right that KL has a pretty good location close to probably the busiest sea route in the world and Ankara is an inland city yet it is a shame that Ankara as a city with a population of 5-6 million people and a capital of a country of 85 million people is mostly disconnected from the world. Many big cities are far away from the sea but at least they have flight connections to the world. At the same time Ankara is connected to what? A few flights to Tehran/Baghdad/Jeddah/Amman/Baku, to Moscow’s third wheel airport, a few flights to some places in Germany, and the furthest destination of all is... Kabul.

A city like this should try to be connected to all bigger cities in Europe and the Middle East, to the Capitals of Central Asia and maybe a few longer flights like somewhere in East Asia or New York and Toronto. Turkey is not just Istanbul, Istanbul and Istanbul.

Ottawa barley has any flights besides destinations in the US/Carribeanen big deal

 

[bsruzm]

Well, you are right that KL has a pretty good location close to probably the busiest sea route in the world and Ankara is an inland city yet it is a shame that Ankara as a city with a population of 5-6 million people and a capital of a country of 85 million people is mostly disconnected from the world. Many big cities are far away from the sea but at least they have flight connections to the world. At the same time Ankara is connected to what? A few flights to Tehran/Baghdad/Jeddah/Amman/Baku, to Moscow’s third wheel airport, a few flights to some places in Germany, and the furthest destination of all is... Kabul.

A city like this should try to be connected to all bigger cities in Europe and the Middle East, to the Capitals of Central Asia and maybe a few longer flights like somewhere in East Asia or New York and Toronto. Turkey is not just Istanbul, Istanbul and Istanbul.

I would like to have direct flights to Ankara.

 

[Osprey]

But it seems it's gotten worse as Turkey drags itself into unnecessary conflicts

Syria was unnecessary at the start, yes -but Libya and Azerbaijan- I don't think so. Syria was unnecessAr because Erdogan and Davutoglu could've prevented the civil war or at least make the job harder for the US; I agree on that. But one way or another we had to join the war after the immigrant crisis. I think we should've invaded Iraq back in 03' together with the US.

 

[Deliorman]

Ottawa barley has any flights besides destinations in the US/Carribeanen big deal

Well bro, Ottawa is probably not even in Canada’s top 5 in importance. It’s a smaller city than Sofia, Bulgaria so you can’t really compare it to Ankara. A city of Ankara’s size which is constantly growing should strive for building up a bigger name and brand on the international state.
In Canada you have Toronto but you also have Montreal and even Vancouver. Instead of putting all the eggs in one basket (named Istanbul) Turkey should try to turn Ankara and even Izmir and Antalya into cities that are recognizable around the world. Connecting them to the world is a good first step.

 

[Yoyo]

Well, you are right that KL has a pretty good location close to probably the busiest sea route in the world and Ankara is an inland city yet it is a shame that Ankara as a city with a population of 5-6 million people and a capital of a country of 85 million people is mostly disconnected from the world. Many big cities are far away from the sea but at least they have flight connections to the world. At the same time Ankara is connected to what? A few flights to Tehran/Baghdad/Jeddah/Amman/Baku, to Moscow’s third wheel airport, a few flights to some places in Germany, and the furthest destination of all is... Kabul.

A city like this should try to be connected to all bigger cities in Europe and the Middle East, to the Capitals of Central Asia and maybe a few longer flights like somewhere in East Asia or New York and Toronto. Turkey is not just Istanbul, Istanbul and Istanbul.

That has to do with flight demand my brother. No airliner will set up flights to Ankara when no one wants to fly there. Istanbul is a natural center of human habitation, culture and trade. It has served as the capital of 3 distinct world empires and countless smaller states for a reason. It lies in an easily accessible flat basin (Marmara Region) which makes industrial and economic activity easier and cheaper. On top of that it has a ton of historic touristic hotspots. Ankara on the other hand is in the high Anatolian plateau. The only way to send/receive industrial goods to/from it is by road and/or rail. And compared to Isranbul, it offers little for tourism. To be frank, if it wasn't turned into our capitol, today it would probably have no more population than Konya.

 

[Null/Void]

That has to do with flight demand my brother. No airliner will set up flights to Ankara when no one wants to fly there. Istanbul is a natural center of human habitation, culture and trade. It has served as the capital of 3 distinct world empires and countless smaller states for a reason. It lies in an easily accessible flat basin (Marmara Region) which makes industrial and economic activity easier and cheaper. On top of that it has a ton of historic touristic hotspots. Ankara on the other hand is in the high Anatolian plateau. The only way to send/receive industrial goods to/from it is by road and/or rail. And compared to Isranbul, it offers little for tourism. To be frank, if it wasn't turned into our capitol, today it would probably have no more population than Konya.

Wasnt Ankara picked by Kemal Ataturk because its actually represented the peasant class of Turks whereas Istanbul was where the Ottoman Bouguoise was based