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Rather than care to engage too much with trolly-spammy types here @Bosanski Vojnik (at al.) , there are twitter handles you can follow for news reel from other perspective to help form better scope of reality for yourself.


Then compare how things go over period of months coming up and next year etc.
 

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So nothing wrong with me shooting someone if everyone on my street does it..
Did I say that? It is you who is trying to make the actions of one group amongst many glare. Your analogy does not fit. It is more like everybody on your street is shooting and you start cussing the guy across the road because you don't like him.

Let me make this clear to you. All groups in Afghanistan have engaged in and are capable to inflicting bestiality. I don't have time to referance all of them but I can say with confidence non is a angel here. As regards Islam I am not particularly religious so dont care about that.

Your also trying to baggage Mujihadeen separately probably because they fought the Russians but as I already told you Taliban rose in 1990s from the ranks of Mujihadeen. Talib means religious students. Mujihadeen means jihadis fighting for Allah. There is no differance.

I am a secularist and have no time for Islamists. My views clash on every score with Taliban but I am realist because I know they are a reality. Even the Ameericans failed to make any differance so one has to accept reality. From Pakistan's POV they are best of the nasties.

You know what Zbigniew Brzezinski called Afghanistan in his book the Grand Chessboard? The Balkans of Asia.
 

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Zbigniew Brzezinski was President Carters NSA in late 1970s and was the man behind the Afghan Jihad of 1980s. Mujihadeen were literally his pet project and the chap knows Afghanistan very well.

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs that the American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahiddin in Afghanistan six months before the Soviet intervention. Is this period, you were the national securty advisor to President Carter. You therefore played a key role in this affair. Is this correct?


Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahiddin began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan on December 24, 1979. But the reality, closely guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention [emphasis added throughout].


Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into the war and looked for a way to provoke it?


B: It wasn’t quite like that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.


Q : When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against secret US involvement in Afghanistan , nobody believed them . However, there was an element of truth in this. You don’t regret any of this today?


B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, essentially: “We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war." Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war that was unsustainable for the regime , a conflict that bought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.


Q: And neither do you regret having supported Islamic fundamentalism, which has given arms and advice to future terrorists?


B : What is more important in world history? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some agitated Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?


Q : “Some agitated Moslems”? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today...


B: Nonsense! It is said that the West has a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid: There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner, without demagoguery or emotionalism. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is t h ere in com m on among fundamentalist Saudi Arabia , moderate Morocco, militarist Pakistan, pro-Western Egypt, or secularist Central Asia? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries...
 

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Zbigniew Brzezinski and United States covertly armed and spent billions building up these 'savages' to fight the evil Soviet Russia. Female rights, human rights, press freedom, liberal democracy was not in their lexicon. Strategic interest and realpolitics was. As Zbigniew Brzezinski bluntly states destruction of Soviet Union and freedom of Eastern Europe was the goal and if it took jumping in the bed with savages so be it.

So excuse me if Pakistan also practices realpolitiks particularly given that who rules Kabul has a direct bearing on Pakistan. By the way the Red Russians supported female rights, socialist policies, etc but that cut no ice with Americans. This is when scum from across the Muslim world including Osma Bin Laden were brought to Afghanistan to fight the jihad.
 

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Thanks for listening to the song.

Just stop for a minute and smile
Why is everybody so serious?
Acting so damn mysterious

Is it true?
Taliban will not stop in Afghanistan. They will change the fate of this century...21st century.
1.Can they change the fate of the Afghani people?
2.How the neighbours will treat Taliban govt.
3.Is there any new player(Turkey, China ;not by war)?
4.Who is going to be the first to recognize the Govt?
5.What about Taliban Diiplomacy?
6.what are the chances that Taliban established govt will not be a corrupt one?

Enlighten 'me'

Taliban nowadays are hated by hardcore jihadists for not taking their cause global.

Taliban has made it clear that they will stop in Afghanistan this pissed off a lot of al qaeda and isis types.

Taliban and Al qaeda also have strained relations its a matter of time before they pull their guns on each other. Jihadists accuse the Taliban of betraying their cause of not building a pan islamic empire or Caliphate.

While the Taliban are just acting pragmatic instead of following childish dreams.

Isis wanted to destroy every Muslim country while the Taliban wants to start up relations with every Muslim country even inviting them to rebuild the country.
 

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Thanks for listening to the song.

Just stop for a minute and smile
Why is everybody so serious?
Acting so damn mysterious

Is it true?
Taliban will not stop in Afghanistan. They will change the fate of this century...21st century.
1.Can they change the fate of the Afghani people?
2.How the neighbours will treat Taliban govt.
3.Is there any new player(Turkey, China ;not by war)?
4.Who is going to be the first to recognize the Govt?
5.What about Taliban Diiplomacy?
6.what are the chances that Taliban established govt will not be a corrupt one?

Enlighten 'me'
The Taliban has make it clear that they would stop in Afghanistan, ensuring Russia, India and China that their territory will not be used for future attacks 9/11 style. and for the neighbors, well let's just say they're being paranoid.

you could sense it from the MoFA statement

here's from China:

"At present, the unilateral withdrawal of US and NATO troops at the critical stage of the peace and reconciliation process in Afghanistan has brought uncertainties to Afghanistan's domestic situation and regional security landscape. As neighbors,"

Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Wang Wenbin's Regular Press Conference on June 2, 2021

also from Hua Chunying:

It needs to be pointed out that the recent abrupt US announcement of complete withdrawal of forces from Afghanistan has led to a succession of explosive attacks throughout the country, worsening the security situation and threatening peace and stability as well as people’s life and safety. China calls on foreign troops in Afghanistan to take into full account the security of people in the country and the region, pull out in a responsible manner and avoid inflicting more turmoil and suffering on the Afghan people.

Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hua Chunying's Remarks on Deadly Serial Attacks in Afghanistan


while Russia has threten to activate CSTO

translate:
Motorized riflemen of the 201st military base of the Russian Federation in Tajikistan repulsed the attack of "terrorists"


it's that kind of paranoia you have when suddenly a state built on ideology different than yours suddenly appeared next to you, in Indonesia's case it resulted in the invasion of East Timor, after the communists Fretilin suddenly came into power.

 

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@AlphaMike bro, I suggest to drop trying having last word with some (on a forum thread of all things)...

They after all are rational low-emotional types that clearly know lot more about the "We" etc than their top guys and policymakers:


The meeting was attended by members of the parliament’s National Security and Defense Standing Committees, parliamentary leaders of all political parties in the Senate and National Assembly, as well as chief ministers of Pakistan’s four provinces.

Lawmakers quoted the two military commanders as admitting that the Afghan Taliban and the Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan (TTP), also known as the Pakistani Taliban, were “two faces of the same coin.”

They said that well-trained Afghan Taliban militants were present across Pakistan, according to the lawmakers interviewed by RFE/RL.

The army could launch an offensive against the group immediately but the country should be “prepared for the reaction,” the military leaders said.
 

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@AlphaMike bro, I suggest to drop trying having last word with some (on a forum thread of all things)...

They after all are rational low-emotional types that clearly know lot more about the "We" etc than their top guys and policymakers:


The meeting was attended by members of the parliament’s National Security and Defense Standing Committees, parliamentary leaders of all political parties in the Senate and National Assembly, as well as chief ministers of Pakistan’s four provinces.

Lawmakers quoted the two military commanders as admitting that the Afghan Taliban and the Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan (TTP), also known as the Pakistani Taliban, were “two faces of the same coin.”

They said that well-trained Afghan Taliban militants were present across Pakistan, according to the lawmakers interviewed by RFE/RL.

The army could launch an offensive against the group immediately but the country should be “prepared for the reaction,” the military leaders said.
yeah you're right.

anyway this is a CSBA report , you might want to read it to understand why the US decide to leave Afghanistan to their fate.

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basically leaving Afghanistan to be ruled by puritanical movements like the Taliban will reach this objective without having to fire a single bullet in the Pacific.
 

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Did I say that? It is you who is trying to make the actions of one group amongst many glare. Your analogy does not fit. It is more like everybody on your street is shooting and you start cussing the guy across the road because you don't like him.

Let me make this clear to you. All groups in Afghanistan have engaged in and are capable to inflicting bestiality. I don't have time to referance all of them but I can say with confidence non is a angel here. As regards Islam I am not particularly religious so dont care about that.

Your also trying to baggage Mujihadeen separately probably because they fought the Russians but as I already told you Taliban rose in 1990s from the ranks of Mujihadeen. Talib means religious students. Mujihadeen means jihadis fighting for Allah. There is no differance.

I am a secularist and have no time for Islamists. My views clash on every score with Taliban but I am realist because I know they are a reality. Even the Ameericans failed to make any differance so one has to accept reality. From Pakistan's POV they are best of the nasties.

You know what Zbigniew Brzezinski called Afghanistan in his book the Grand Chessboard? The Balkans of Asia.

Zbigniew Brzezinski was President Carters NSA in late 1970s and was the man behind the Afghan Jihad of 1980s. Mujihadeen were literally his pet project and the chap knows Afghanistan very well.

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs that the American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahiddin in Afghanistan six months before the Soviet intervention. Is this period, you were the national securty advisor to President Carter. You therefore played a key role in this affair. Is this correct?


Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahiddin began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan on December 24, 1979. But the reality, closely guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention [emphasis added throughout].


Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into the war and looked for a way to provoke it?


B: It wasn’t quite like that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.


Q : When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against secret US involvement in Afghanistan , nobody believed them . However, there was an element of truth in this. You don’t regret any of this today?


B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, essentially: “We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war." Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war that was unsustainable for the regime , a conflict that bought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.


Q: And neither do you regret having supported Islamic fundamentalism, which has given arms and advice to future terrorists?


B : What is more important in world history? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some agitated Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?


Q : “Some agitated Moslems”? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today...


B: Nonsense! It is said that the West has a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid: There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner, without demagoguery or emotionalism. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is t h ere in com m on among fundamentalist Saudi Arabia , moderate Morocco, militarist Pakistan, pro-Western Egypt, or secularist Central Asia? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries...

Zbigniew Brzezinski and United States covertly armed and spent billions building up these 'savages' to fight the evil Soviet Russia. Female rights, human rights, press freedom, liberal democracy was not in their lexicon. Strategic interest and realpolitics was. As Zbigniew Brzezinski bluntly states destruction of Soviet Union and freedom of Eastern Europe was the goal and if it took jumping in the bed with savages so be it.

So excuse me if Pakistan also practices realpolitiks particularly given that who rules Kabul has a direct bearing on Pakistan. By the way the Red Russians supported female rights, socialist policies, etc but that cut no ice with Americans. This is when scum from across the Muslim world including Osma Bin Laden were brought to Afghanistan to fight the jihad.
You rightly deserve that TTA forum title.
People are really naive about geopolitics and as someone that is aware of it, it is frustrating to engage them because they lack critical knowledge of the true working of the world. The world ain't as black-and-white as the (western) media tries to portray but a whole spectrum of 'grey'. Nobody is 100% good or 100% bad. This has always been in the history of mankind no matter the moral and ethical code of said age. Instead of understanding this reality, people on both side of the conflict unnecessarily get all riled up about the warcrimes that have been committed. Yes it is horrific but that is the naked reality of mankind+war.
Even those who have experienced war or fought in it as a soldier/leader aren't guaranteed to shed their naive notions.

Once one understands this and accepts this, one can live life with a realistic and pragmatic approach without losing ones humanity. You don't have to become a war-criminal just because mankind is effed up and you've come to the realization of that. Instead become like 'zen'. But this doesn't mean that there is no moral foundation for good or bad, but when bad things happen totally out of your control, it best to accept it and make the best out of it. And that might just be the most difficult inner and mental challenge a human can deal with without guarantee of succes.
 

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China Criticized the Afghan War. Now It Worries About the Withdrawal.​


An explosion that killed Chinese workers in Pakistan has stirred fears in Beijing of regional instability.

Kabul, Afghanistan, this month. Statements by senior Chinese officials made it clear that they would blame the United States for any insecurity that spreads in the region.

Kabul, Afghanistan, this month. Statements by senior Chinese officials made it clear that they would blame the United States for any insecurity that spreads in the region.Credit...Jim Huylebroek for The New York Times


By Steven Lee Myers
July 15, 2021
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The Chinese government rarely passes up a chance to accuse the United States of military adventurism and hegemony. In the case of Afghanistan, though, it has changed its tone, warning that Washington now bears the responsibility for the hasty end to its two-decade war there.
“The United States, which created the Afghan issue in the first place, should act responsibly to ensure a smooth transition in Afghanistan,” China’s foreign minister, Wang Yi, said this month at a forum in Beijing. “It should not simply shift the burden onto others and withdraw from the country with the mess left behind unattended.
While China has not called on President Biden to reverse the military withdrawal he ordered, statements by senior officials made it clear that they would blame the United States for any insecurity that spreads in the region.
China’s leader, Xi Jinping, and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia — neither of them close friends of the American president — raised concerns about the withdrawal in a call the two leaders had in late June, citing “the increasingly complicated and severe security situation,” according to the state news agency Xinhua.

An explosion and vehicle crash that killed nine Chinese workers in Pakistan on Wednesday has punctuated China’s fears of regional instability in the wake of the final American military withdrawal from Afghanistan and the chaos that is now spreading across the country.
China was quick to describe the explosion as an act of terrorism. Pakistan later described it as an accident, but the details remain murky, and China has previously found itself the target of threats from those opposed to its growing economic and diplomatic influence in the region.
Pakistan’s information minister, Fawad Chaudhry, said on Thursday that investigators had found traces of explosives, presumably on the bus carrying the Chinese workers. “Terrorism cannot be ruled out,” he wrote on Twitter.



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China’s leader, Xi Jinping, with Premier Li Keqiang in March at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing. Mr. Xi raised concerns about the U.S. troop withdrawal from Afghanistan in June, citing security concerns.

China’s leader, Xi Jinping, with Premier Li Keqiang in March at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing. Mr. Xi raised concerns about the U.S. troop withdrawal from Afghanistan in June, citing security concerns.Credit...Nicolas Asfouri/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
“They’re certainly feeling nervous,” said Barnett R. Rubin, a former State Department official and United Nations adviser on Afghanistan who is a senior fellow at New York University’s Center on International Cooperation.

With only a residual military contingent left to protect the American Embassy in Kabul, the Taliban have been steadily expanding their political control as Afghan government forces crumble or retreat. This month, Taliban forces seized Badakhshan, the province that reaches the mountainous Chinese border through the Wakhan Corridor. While that narrow territory poses little direct security threat, China fears that the breakdown of order in Afghanistan could spill out of the country to other neighbors, including Tajikistan, Kazakhstan and Pakistan.

Mr. Wang is traveling through Central Asia this week with the Afghan situation high on the agenda.
“We don’t want to see a turbulent country around us that becomes such a soil for terrorist activities,” said Li Wei, an analyst at the China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations, a research organization in Beijing affiliated with the Ministry of State Security.
The Taliban, when they governed Afghanistan before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, gave haven to some Uyghur fighters resisting Chinese rule in Xinjiang, the predominantly Muslim province in western China that the fighters call East Turkestan.
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A bus carrying dozens of construction workers fell into a ravine after a gas leak in the vehicle caused an explosion. The crash killed at least 12 people including nine Chinese, Pakistani officials said.CreditCredit...Rescue 1122, via EPA, via Shutterstock

Twenty-two of those fighters ended up in American custody in the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, only to be released slowly to several other countries, including Albania, Slovakia, Bermuda and Palau. Uyghur militants have also fought in Syria’s civil war, and there are reports that some have returned to Afghanistan.
“If there’s more disorder in Afghanistan, the Uyghurs could get a foothold again, or a bigger one,” Mr. Rubin said.

After the Sept. 11 attacks, the United States designated the East Turkestan Islamic Movement as a terrorist organization, in part to cultivate China’s support for American efforts in the “war on terror.” The Trump administration revoked the designation last year, saying that there was no evidence that the group continued to carry out attacks. China has cited the threat of Uyghur extremism as a reason for its mass detention camps in Xinjiang.
According to the United Nations, the Uyghur group once maintained links to Al Qaeda and organized attacks on targets inside and outside of China, including ones in Xinjiang that killed 140 people in 1998.
Liu Yunfeng, the director of the Counter-Terrorism Bureau of the Ministry of Public Security, said this week at a news conference that while there had been no major terrorist attack in China in the past four years, the East Turkestan Islamic Movement continued to promote terrorism from abroad and train fighters “to sneak into our territory.”
“We still need to maintain a high degree of vigilance,” he said, according to a transcript posted by the ministry.


The Hotan bazaar in Xinjiang, China. The Taliban gave haven to Uyghur fighters resisting Chinese rule in Xinjiang when they were in power in Afghanistan.

The Hotan bazaar in Xinjiang, China. The Taliban gave haven to Uyghur fighters resisting Chinese rule in Xinjiang when they were in power in Afghanistan.Credit...Gilles Sabrié for The New York Times

With the American withdrawal on the horizon, China has sought to keep channels open to both the Taliban and Afghan forces, appealing for a peaceful resolution to decades of conflict that predated the American intervention. It has been a delicate diplomatic balance.
China has praised the current Afghan government, including what it says are efforts to fight the East Turkestan militants. It also played host to a delegation of Taliban leaders in 2019. While China has said little about the nature of its discussions with the group, it has muted its criticism as the American-led military presence winds down.


In recent statements, Taliban representatives have also sought to assuage China’s concerns about its past support for enemies of Chinese rule, saying a restored Taliban government would pose no threat to the country. In fact, it would welcome Chinese investments.
As the Taliban have steadily gained ground, China has left its diplomatic options open. The Global Times, a Communist Party newspaper that generally reflects the government’s hawkish side, suggested this week that fears about the collapse of the current Afghan government were overstated.
“With the evolving Afghanistan situation, the Taliban is quietly transforming itself to improve its international image, easing the concerns of and befriending neighboring countries,” the newspaper wrote on Tuesday.
Such views also reflect China’s close relationship with Pakistan, which provided support for the Taliban leadership during the long American involvement in Afghanistan.


Bagram Air Field in 2019 in Kabul. With the withdrawal of the American military, the Taliban have been steadily expanding their control, which China fears could bring chaos to neighboring countries.


Bagram Air Field in 2019 in Kabul. With the withdrawal of the American military, the Taliban have been steadily expanding their control, which China fears could bring chaos to neighboring countries.Credit...Erin Schaff/The New York Times

After Chinese officials initially denounced Wednesday’s deaths in Pakistan as a terrorist attack, they tempered their remarks when the Pakistani Foreign Ministry released a statement saying that the explosion that sent a truck tumbling into a ravine was caused by a mechanical malfunction. Exactly what happened remains unclear, however. At least two Pakistani paramilitary soldiers and two other civilians died, while more than 40 people were injured. It was not clear if the soldiers were guarding the workers as they traveled to a Chinese-built hydroelectric project at Dasu, a city in the country’s rural northwest, about 100 miles from the capital, Islamabad.


China has faced terrorist threats in Pakistan before. In 2018, three suicide attackers stormed the Chinese Consulate in Karachi, killing two police officers and two civilians before being killed themselves. The group that claimed responsibility for that attack, the Baluchistan Liberation Army, attacked a luxury hotel in Gwadar a year later, saying they were targeting Chinese guests.
In April, a different group attacked a hotel in Quetta, the provincial capital of Baluchistan, only moments before China’s ambassador was scheduled to arrive. Although it was not clear if the attackers knew of the ambassador’s arrival, the group that claimed responsibility, the Pakistani Taliban, or Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan, said its intended targets were “locals and foreigners” staying at the hotel.
After speaking with Pakistan’s foreign minister about the explosion on Wednesday, Mr. Wang, the foreign minister, called for greater security measures for Chinese construction projects in Pakistan, many of them being built under China’s “belt and road” initiative.
Chinese officials have offered to extend those projects to Afghanistan, but have made little progress. Previous Chinese projects there failed to live up to expectations, most prominently a copper mine concession that Chinese companies acquired in 2007.
“If it is a terrorist attack,” Mr. Wang said of the episode on Wednesday, “the perpetrators must be arrested immediately, and the perpetrators must be severely punished.”




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@Nilgiri , as I said b4, retreat from Afghanistan is a geopolitical master stroke by Biden
 

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According to tweet, Ankara. Refugees are coming en mass.

The refugee deal is a bigger problem than ever. Scrap it and whatever will happen will

Reintroduce death sentence, even if it means the end of EU membership it will make it harder for EU to send people back to Turkey. And traitors can seek assylun in Western countries. We can make them and their kids person non grata like the Ottomans were for 100 years.
 

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10/10. The funny thing is lot of the crazies who volunteered to fight the Serbs [who else would go off into Bosnia when the Serbs were going wild but be crazy] were actually Pashtuns with combat experiance fighting the Russkes during 1979-89
Do not want to derail topic with going to much aside of topic, for me things are simple and i will be hypocrite to tell so,but i do not care, well i support west as much as i can in our regional matters as long as they support bosniac position and interest, in the their matters with the islamic world i want them them to piss of and be marginilized as much is possible and their point of view is irrelevant for me. Your red arrows canceled all the need to be critical at all towards Pakistan, do what you want in Afganistan, no matter what, you are right without blink of the eye as far as i am concerned.
 

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I think it will be temporary I guess, most of them will want to move somewhere else, in particular the US especially among the Afghan educated and professionals.
I don’t have much faith in that mate. I think it’s necessary to implement stroct measures and any refugee caught outside camps need to be relocated to Syrian safe zone and their permit to enter Turkey eliminated and their id etc be registered so we can avoid all that free passing etc.

I should add that Turkey after the strict measures should stop financing any cost of these camps and start relocating when refugees start leaving camps, that way they’ll either end up in Syria or Run with all their might for EU.
 

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Just to clarify before 9/11 Afghanistan was not India friendly. It was the US invasion with Pakistan providing the logistical and launching pad that changed everything. This would be akin to say Turkey helping America to invade Iraq who then hand over Baghdad to pro Russian Kurdish group who despise Turkey. Pakistan literaly helped to get it's own enemy gain the upper hand. After 20 years thank god the whole thing is being undone.

Just two months ago on that Spin Boldak border that Taliban took over ANA opened fire on our FC border troops. Now we have Taliban roaming and shaking hands with out FC troopers at the gate.

Regularly we lost FC troopers in exchange of fire. Pakistan had helped to bring these cnuts into power. Pakistan also has sizeable Mongol Hazara population who often join the military. In 2016 we lost a Hazara army officer - Major Ali Jawad Changezi thanks to cross border firing.

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Of course. The Americans along with her NATO gang came in to play their geopolitical games. Prop up India to counter China and Pakistan. Silly guys thought that the regional countries were just going to sit idle and watch how US/NATO and India were going to plot and take out Iran, Pakistan, Russia and China.
 

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Some good news out of Tashkent, Uzbekistan. USA, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan have agreed to partnership to build regional trade linkages and infra to help create stability in the region. This has serious potential for change.


Be very careful with the Americans. Smile, nod and shake hands, but never trust their words. History tells us that whenever Americans are involved they are only in it for their personal reasons or as spoilers. Let's hope I am proven wrong this time.
 
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Both of you guys need to get a grip. There is no indication of any ethnic cleansing. Taliban are primaril;y driven by Islam and ethnicity is secondary to them. That is why they took in riff raff from across the Muslim world in the past. Many members of East Turkistan movement armed to the teeth who would never have got refuge in Bosnia or Turkey unless they calmed down were taken in with open arms by Taliban. The only group I feel is in danger are not the Turkic Uzbeks or Turkmens but the Hazara and even then that is not because they are of Mongol origin - it is because they are mostly Shia and are backed by Iran.

Rest of the punching going on here is just plain infantile and you guys need to stop it. The solution lies in all the neighbours coming together and Turkey also playing a vital role in this. I think the Uzbek President and PM Imran Khan have hit off and will try to resolve the issue as a team. I am sure Turks will play a part in this. Earlier I saw Uzbek President, Turkish FM and PM Imran Khan at the conferance in Tashkent having a close discussion. So until we see some genocide kicking off can we drop this crap.

@Dalit what did I ask as a favour? And the next time I see you use "LOL" my hand is gonna come through that screen and strangle you.

@Bosanski Vojnik you seem to have this genocide paranoia. Now I can understand what happened to you guys in heart of civilized Europe but you need to perhaps begin to heal by now. By the way the greatest killing of Turkic people has been done by Russians. In fact in Central Asia they indulged in genocide and mass cultural suppression, population transfers etc.

The bold part is exactly what I have been proposing and this is exactly what irks our enemies. We have to understand one thing very clearly. Our enemies fear one thing most than others. Unity among regional nations. Pakistan, Iran, China, Russia and Turkey is a formidable bloc. Imagine that these powerful nations came together to do trade and defence projects. Imagine the impact on the wider region. Our enemies work in unison themselves, but don't want a regional bloc to exist. Did you notice that the US and all Western nations have some sort of beef with aforementioned nations? Is it a surprise that all of these nations are within the same region? Is it a surprise that we are seeing a big rapprochement between these regional nations? It is not. The truth is that the US/West wants to control and dominate this region for political, geostrategical and economic reasons. Their idea is to have an Israel in this region. India represents Israel.

US/NATO goals have been changing for years in Afghanistan. Initially it was supposed to be a clean up project to get rid of AQ blah blah. Still, there were other goals such as denuclearising Pakistan and balkanizing it along ethnic and religious lines. The US/NATO has been severely frustrated with this goal. This was supposed to be the first step in China and Russia containment. Since the US/NATO couldn't achieve this goal they also failed to pressure Russia and China.

US/NATO has managed to unify regional countries. There used to be a time when we wouldn't get along with each other also due to Western meddling and support for one side or the other. That era has changed and we are witnessing a tectonic shift.
 
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