Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[satria]

Pindad does not produce 122 mm MLR, that's another problem.

Roket Rhan-122B Buatan Pindad Kantongi Sertifikat​

Rhan 122 mm test on Vampire

other prototipe by pindad

NDL-40/A

 

[Gary]

Roket Rhan-122B Buatan Pindad Kantongi Sertifikat​

Rhan 122 mm test on Vampire

other prototipe by pindad

NDL-40/A

A naval variant of this to replace the manual bofors imo is a better idea.

Useful for beach softening.

 

[Madokafc]

A naval variant of this to replace the manual bofors imo is a better idea.

Useful for beach softening.

South Korea Chamsuri 211 (Yoon Youngha) patrol boats had two 130 mm MLRS pod launcher attached, they are guided rocket.

Put those kind of pod launcher on Teluk Bintuni class Landing Ship Tank would be a great fire support for landing units.

 

[Van Kravchenko]

we did fire Marine's MLRS on LST

This one ?

View attachment 26072

It was a creative move, but from mr. @trishna_amrta , the stuff that pounded to shoreline must be big and have sustain firing capability for long time (despite he seems didnt much care about precise attack)

in some case I agree that we need stuff to pound shoreline while conducting amphibious assault, but back again nowadays, almost no one in the world make 6 inch caliber gun any more for naval gun, they favoured missile.

The only possible stuff only rocket launcher to do shore bombardment roscket saturating.

 

[NEKO]

Does Installing MLRS with auto reload in front of the bridge is a good idea? Naval gun may able to deliver more explosive per minute compared to MLRS but the rocket salvo can deliver large explosive over quite large area in a short span of time.
RBU6000 rocket warhead weigh : around 20 kg, with 12 tubes and reload is not that fast (not sure how many sec or min but I think its more than a min). 20 * 12 = 240 kg. (Rough calc. At least in 1 min the system can launch 240 kg of explosive, although the actual time to fire all the rocket around 6 sec).
Otmel 76mm super rapid HE ammunition weigh: around 6.3 kg, rate of fire : 120 rounds/min. 120 * 6.3 = 756 kg.
Rocket and gun is good in their own way.

Can we make something like RBU 6000 but for shore bombardment, we can use the technology from RHAN for the rocket, we can learn the launcher and reloading system from our parchim.

We can add extra upper structure in front of the bridge and remove the crane.

 

[Ravager]

In all honesty ... I think we ought to start upgunning then standarize all our naval gun into 127 mm for all of our frigattes and corvettes . And 76 mm only for the OPVs . It provides more flexibility and ease logistical footprint in the long run ....
While 127 mm were sound good on paper for the LPDs and LSTs . Their speed and manouveribility are left much to a desire .....

 

[Lordimperator]

gun into 127 mm

Vulcano gun, hehe.

 

[Madokafc]

Does Installing MLRS with auto reload in front of the bridge is a good idea? Naval gun may able to deliver more explosive per minute compared to MLRS but the rocket salvo can deliver large explosive over quite large area in a short span of time.
RBU6000 rocket warhead weigh : around 20 kg, with 12 tubes and reload is not that fast (not sure how many sec or min but I think its more than a min). 20 * 12 = 240 kg. (Rough calc. At least in 1 min the system can launch 240 kg of explosive, although the actual time to fire all the rocket around 6 sec).
Otmel 76mm super rapid HE ammunition weigh: around 6.3 kg, rate of fire : 120 rounds/min. 120 * 6.3 = 756 kg.
Rocket and gun is good in their own way.

Can we make something like RBU 6000 but for shore bombardment, we can use the technology from RHAN for the rocket, we can learn the launcher and reloading system from our parchim.

We can add extra upper structure in front of the bridge and remove the crane.

India should be the alternative, they are still building RBU and we are imported the munition from them

 

[Var Dracon]

Roket Rhan-122B Buatan Pindad Kantongi Sertifikat​

Rhan 122 mm test on Vampire

other prototipe by pindad

NDL-40/A

I have already aware of the launcher used in SBS and NDL, but getting it to naval system is a different matter. Did you expect to reload those barrels manually? RBU series reload the rockets from under the ships hull. Just looking at the number of SBS and NDL produced (using your word: Prototype) made it very dubious Pindad could make proper land-based MLR, let alone the ship-based ones.

The first and second picture/answer is a bit off, I said MLR (which is the system) not the rocket itself.

 

[RajaSultanKing]

In all honesty ... I think we ought to start upgunning then standarize all our naval gun into 127 mm for all of our frigattes and corvettes . And 76 mm only for the OPVs . It provides more flexibility and ease logistical footprint in the long run ....
While 127 mm were sound good on paper for the LPDs and LSTs . Their speed and manouveribility are left much to a desire .....

Upgunning naval ordnance is a surefire and cheapest way to do that to be honest, but i suppose we also do need new ships to at least either mount those RBUs or maybe modifying our LPDs/LSTs or KCRs to mount 122mm MRLs to provide saturation fire for beach landing

Russia have that system at the moment in their Buyan Corvettes

 

[Madokafc]

Upgunning naval ordnance is a surefire and cheapest way to do that to be honest, but i suppose we also do need new ships to at least either mount those RBUs or maybe modifying our LPDs/LSTs or KCRs to mount 122mm MRLs to provide saturation fire for beach landing

Russia have that system at the moment in their Buyan Corvettes
View attachment 26110

Unless Russian solved their own Crimea issue we are avoiding major Russian system for now

 

[trishna_amrta]

Back to the topic, well the era of big caliber naval gun is over isn't it ?

Big gun naval gun only over because the USMC no longer fighting parity opponent since the first Iraq War of which the Iowa class was rush in back into service once again as they did during Vietnam War.

I do agree for coastal artilerry barrage. Even not causing human casualties, its effect enough to cause moral disorder.

Most of those who defend Iwo Jiwa and Normandy suffer no moral disorder, which mostly due to preparedness and not enough sustained fire support barrage.
The defender of Iwo Jima had fully braced for being pondered by fire support barrage & airstrike

Perhaps its still reasonable to mount some MLRS on LST. just like what murica do on Iwo Jima

Different tool for different job. Which is why there are still both howitzer gun & MLRS in operation

Well, we did fire Marine's MLRS on LST (or was it an LPD?) a while back

Well, due to the lack of suitable tool (read : budget), we just have to make do with what we have.

Roket Rhan-122B Buatan Pindad Kantongi Sertifikat​

Rhan 122 mm test on Vampire

other prototipe by pindad

NDL-40/A

Masih baru prototype dan sertifikat kok wes diomong toh mas. Kalau sudah botol-pulpen baru lach boleh gembar-gembor bin pencitraan.

Guiding system & flight control nya gimana tuch ada ga Jangan2x pakai GPS Consumer grade Made in China juga guiding system nya tuch (kalau ada guiding systemnya)

Tapi yag penting label sticker nya Karya Anak Bangsa khan yach

It was a creative move, but from mr. @trishna_amrta , the stuff that pounded to shoreline must be big and have sustain firing capability for long time (despite he seems didnt much care about precise attack)

in some case I agree that we need stuff to pound shoreline while conducting amphibious assault, but back again nowadays, almost no one in the world make 6 inch caliber gun any more for naval gun, they favoured missile.

The only possible stuff only rocket launcher to do shore bombardment roscket saturating.

Neither MLRS, air strike, missile, or UCAV can fill in the niche of the naval big gun or field howitzer (if on land)

Here is precision

It's hack, EMP, and alien resistant. It works just fine.

 

[Ravager]

Upgunning naval ordnance is a surefire and cheapest way to do that to be honest, but i suppose we also do need new ships to at least either mount those RBUs or maybe modifying our LPDs/LSTs or KCRs to mount 122mm MRLs to provide saturation fire for beach landing

Russia have that system at the moment in their Buyan Corvettes
View attachment 26110

Let's take a baby step first bruh .... Baby step ...

Unless Russian solved their own Crimea issue we are avoiding major Russian system for now

The idea are still sound tho'

Well, due to the lack of suitable tool (read : budget), we just have to make do with what we have

Here is precision

It's hack, EMP, and alien resistant. It works just fine.

This what's sold me on Gun idea ...
After all we all have to be prepared for a whatever eventuality should may come ...

 

[Umigami]

https://www.facebook.com/181276675314017/posts/3826940420747606

PAL still pushing for Nagapasa Class ?

 

[Madokafc]

https://www.facebook.com/181276675314017/posts/3826940420747606

PAL still pushing for Nagapasa Class ?

As i said before, better to follow on the contract. This all about credibility. After the order completed this up to you about what you want next

 

[NEKO]

As i said before, better to follow on the contract. This all about credibility. After the order completed this up to you about what you want next

That means we need to wait until 2029 to build new type of submarine, we are really gonna miss our 2024 target without interim submarine.

Lets just go with another nagapasa class for the last time.

 

[Madokafc]

That's mean we need to wait until 2029 to build new type of submarine, we are really gonna miss our 2024 target without interim submarine.

That's second MEF programme btw, so for MEF III the plan is to order all of them from foreign shipyard to fulfill the target on time

 

[NEKO]

That's second MEF programme btw, so for MEF III the plan is to order all of them from foreign shipyard to fulfill the target on time

A bit of shame to build it overseas, if only we can just keep PAL busy all the time building submarine, just look at them right now (their submarine division) it would be better for them to build a submarine and also doing maintenance etc.

 

[Madokafc]

A bit of shame to build it overseas, if only we can just keep PAL busy all the time building submarine, just look at them right now (their submarine division) it would be better for them to build a submarine and also doing maintenance etc.

Their docking is for under 2000 tonnes displacement, how about above that?

 

[NEKO]

Their docking is for under 2000 tonnes displacement, how about above that?

Ck ck ck what a poor planning for that submarine facility.
I guess we need to strengthen the floor.