TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[Ryder]

Creating a unnecessary threat where it's not needed.

Iran is literally creating a internal problem by unloading them on our border. No Jandarma no Police no border guards this is done on purpose. Nobody ever should say something else, they want to destroy the demographics and weaken the Turkish Republic from within, like parasites.

In the past they said demographics will be used as a weapon of war.

Honestly I dismissed that sort of thinking until you realise its actually true as time goes by.

 

[Deliorman]

Is it a coincidence that Afghans started entering Turkey in droves just after Erdogan's meeting with Biden? Is Turkey now a safe haven for America's puppets in Afghanistan who now run away like rats from a sinking ship feeling that Talibans will get their asses?

If AKP sold Turkey's interests again it wouldn't surprise me because this what they have been doing for 20 years... Yet MHP's silence on this whole issue is not only pathetic but sad.

 

[Vaggos]

Just open the border to europe and tomorrow Turkey will have no refugee issue and it wont cost a penny either to do.

It didn't work well the first time, didn't it?

 

[Lool]

Is it a coincidence that Afghans started entering Turkey in droves just after Erdogan's meeting with Biden? Is Turkey now a safe haven for America's puppets in Afghanistan who now run away like rats from a sinking ship feeling that Talibans will get their asses?

If AKP sold Turkey's interests again it wouldn't surprise me because this what they have been doing for 20 years... Yet MHP's silence on this whole issue is not only pathetic but sad.

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I dont think it is about that tbh
If the AKP was selling turkey's interest from a long time ago, the US administration wouldnt be soo keen on kicking Erdo out. Even with the recent progression, iam 100% sure that Biden wants Erdo out as Biden doesnt have time to lead a broken NATO, fighting against China and Russia and domestic policies! In fact, recently Biden passive policies are starting to grab the erie from all across the political spectrum in USA

I believe that the current migration wave is related to Iran. They are probably trying to pressure Erdo by showing him they can screw him if they want to and Erdo can do nothing since he cant even build some sort of barrier due to the unfavourable terrain in turkey-iran border.
From how I see it, they wanna some concessions from Erdo like toning down his anti-pkk operations as the PKK lost several lands recently and may lose all significant strongholds in iraq which are of a geostrategic value or maybe force turkey to not seek excess influence in iraq after the US pulls out

 

[Deliorman]

I dont think it is about that tbh
If the AKP was selling turkey's interest from a long time ago, the US administration wouldnt be soo keen on kicking Erdo out. Even with the recent progression, iam 100% sure that Biden wants Erdo out as Biden doesnt have time to lead a broken NATO, fighting against China and Russia and domestic policies! In fact, recently Biden passive policies are starting to grab the erie from all across the political spectrum in USA

I believe that the current migration wave is related to Iran. They are probably trying to pressure Erdo by showing him they can screw him if they want to and Erdo can do nothing since he cant even build some sort of barrier due to the unfavourable terrain in turkey-iran border.
From how I see it, they wanna some concessions from Erdo like toning down his anti-pkk operations as the PKK lost several lands recently and may lose all significant strongholds in iraq which are of a geostrategic value or maybe force turkey to not seek excess influence in iraq after the US pulls out

Dude... according to Turkish medias like 80% (if I am not mistaken) of the border with Iran is walled. Even if it wasn't Turkey still has hundreds of thousands of soldiers, border guards, policemen, gendarmerie members to protect it.

Afghans, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Iraqis, have been entering Turkey illegally for years en masse and absolutely nobody in the Government does a thing to stop it. If Iran wants they can send 5 million people but as long as you protect your border not even a bird can fly above you. What I ask is why the border just IS NOT GUARDED?

ps Someone being against you doesn't mean that what you do is right or fruitful. Believe me, I know much better than you all of the stuff that AKP did or did not do in the last 20 years... The same way I can't argue with you about the problems of Albanians, you can't argue with me about Turkish problems.

 

[Anastasius]

Real question is do Refugees hold the same mentality like Erdogan. How many would be loyal to tayyip? Refugees just want money and a place to stay i doubt many will be loyal to Tayyip. Tayyip is doing a big mistake.

I can safely say majority of Muslims dont hold Ummah views unless you pray together stick in politics and its a different story where everybody would eat each other up.

I question how many of the refugees themselves hold any loyalty?? Is Tayyip naive here or is he just playing 4d chess

The opposition has made it clear on numerous occasions that if they get into power, refugees and migrants are leaving - one way or another.

Unsurprisingly, a lot of these migrants and refugees don't want to leave and AKP is letting them flood in with no restrictions. So they will vote for whoever lets them stay and in this case, that's Erdogan.

 

[Ryder]

The opposition has made it clear on numerous occasions that if they get into power, refugees and migrants are leaving - one way or another.

Unsurprisingly, a lot of these migrants and refugees don't want to leave and AKP is letting them flood in with no restrictions. So they will vote for whoever lets them stay and in this case, that's Erdogan.

What happens if the opposition backtracks??

Only Iyi party is serious not having refugees while Chp is just riding the waves of populism. Social democrats have never been against mass migration.

 

[Ryder]

All about BS globalisation and globalism. Remember Turkish nationalism is dying off they want Turkey to be diverse and cosmopolitian. This cosmopolitan bs works in hand with liberalism.

You know why Rich people dont oppose mass migration or mass refugees coming because to them its a source of cheap labour.

They can be worked liked slaves while the average Turkish person would never accept peanuts and slave like conditions.

None will interact anyway because they live in gated communities or places where us the peasants barely live.

 

[Ryder]

Islamists like seeing nation states dying off because of their deluded beliefs that Muslims regardless of race and ethnic groups can live together.

They think it brings back the old Islamic Empires when its that same diversity that led to a lot of Islamic Empires collapsing.

People can easily play the race card for my comments this changes nothing.

Humans by nature are tribal no matter what.

 

[Akhtar]

Some Pakistani are very angry with Erdogan, Erdogan is trending in Pakistani twitter over his comments calling the Taliban an occupation


Check #Erdogan

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1417201693360525316

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1417208963792261133

 

[what]

And no value was lost. The only thing these Islamists-Pakistanis are good for is ruining the comment section of every platform on the internet, especially Youtube.

 

[Anastasius]

Ertugrul is the single worst thing ever produced by Turkish television.

I am also encouraged to see that other Pakistanis quickly took these idiots to task in the replies.

 

[Ryder]

Ertugrul is the single worst thing ever produced by Turkish television.

I am also encouraged to see that other Pakistanis quickly took these idiots to task in the replies.

Honestly its worst the thing ever. But who cares

All Turkish sitcoms are trash that deserve to be burnt. But i support them because they generate money and soft power.

 

[Anastasius]

It's times like these that I'm convinced that Russia crushing Jadid reformists in the 19th and 20th centuries was the greatest tragedy of modern Islam.

Turkic people could have reformed the religion and shook off the vestiges of such inane superstitions but no, instead we are stuck with morons like above and stinking mullahs who couldn't tell their backside from their nose.

 

[Akhtar]

And no value was lost. The only thing these Islamists-Pakistanis are good for is ruining the comment section of every platform on the internet, especially Youtube.

Ertugrul is the single worst thing ever produced by Turkish television.

I am also encouraged to see that other Pakistanis quickly took these idiots to task in the replies.

Fahrettin does a lot to make these Pakistanis like us, as part of a geopolitical vision. This is something I noticed a while ago with his social media strategy. It's quite effective.

https://twitter.com/ElifAhmetTurkey?s=09

This twitter account is run by Fahrettin's people I'm sure to appeal to Islamist Pakistanis.

'Elif Ahmet' isn't a real person, this was the picture the account used a long time ago, a GAN computer generated woman:

Elif Ahmet doesn't appear as a person anywhere outside twitter. The YouTube account looks like it's state owned too.

Something Fahrettin has done before:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1357431626066722825

Also reminds me of AKP MP 'Yeliz'...I still remember this incident making me laugh so much.

AKP MP revealed as holder of fake Twitter account with female name streaming charter talks on Periscope - Türkiye News

A ruling AKP lawmaker has been revealed as the holder of a fake Twitter account, which had been streaming charter talks live on Periscope using a female name.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

Honestly its worst the thing ever. But who cares

All Turkish sitcoms are trash that deserve to be burnt. But i support them because they generate money and soft power.

Soft power yes, there are tons of YouTube videos of Pakistanis on the visa to go to Turkey, like hundreds:

Also quite a strange thing for a self styled religious "woman" to share, isn't faith central? Seems to just target Indians for the benefit of Pakistanis. It's a very strange account.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1416658433097576449

And also lots of this...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1410418889142452226

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1407878066161041408

https://twitter.com/ElifAhmetTurkey/status/1381973814989496323?s=20

It's an interesting look at how social media can be used effectively for soft power. AKP does it really well sometimes.

 

[Ryder]

Fahrettin does a lot to make these Pakistanis like us, as part of a geopolitical vision. This is something I noticed a while ago with his social media strategy. It's quite effective.

https://twitter.com/ElifAhmetTurkey?s=09

This twitter account is run by Fahrettin's people I'm sure to appeal to Islamist Pakistanis.

'Elif Ahmet' isn't a real person, this was the picture the account used a long time ago, a GAN computer generated woman:

Elif Ahmet doesn't appear as a person anywhere outside twitter. The YouTube account looks like it's state owned too.

Something Fahrettin has done before:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1357431626066722825

Also reminds me of AKP MP 'Yeliz'...I still remember this incident making me laugh so much.

AKP MP revealed as holder of fake Twitter account with female name streaming charter talks on Periscope - Türkiye News

A ruling AKP lawmaker has been revealed as the holder of a fake Twitter account, which had been streaming charter talks live on Periscope using a female name.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

Soft power yes, there are tons of YouTube videos of Pakistanis on the visa to go to Turkey, like hundreds:

Also quite a strange thing for a self styled religious "woman" to share, isn't faith central? Seems to just target Indians for the benefit of Pakistanis. It's a very strange account.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1416658433097576449

And also lots of this...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1410418889142452226

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1407878066161041408

https://twitter.com/ElifAhmetTurkey/status/1381973814989496323?s=20

It's an interesting look at how social media can be used effectively for soft power. AKP does it really well sometimes.

They are all troll farms.

Social Media is just another avenue of making propaganda.

There is also rumours that the a lot of troll farms come from the Balkans itself regardless if its true or not. Many are doing it for a paycheck.

A lot of countries are engaging in it also Turkey. Serbia also have troll farms dedicated to Vucic which twitter closed down.

As much many of them close down they pop up. Turkey wont do anything about it as it helps them.

Propaganda is just another form of warfare. Who cares if its filled with lies its all about sending the message.

 

[Akhtar]

They are all troll farms.

Social Media is just another avenue of making propaganda.

There is also rumours that the a lot of troll farms come from the Balkans itself regardless if its true or not. Many are doing it for a paycheck.

A lot of countries are engaging in it also Turkey. Serbia also have troll farms dedicated to Vucic which twitter closed down.

As much many of them close down they pop up. Turkey wont do anything about it as it helps them.

Propaganda is just another form of warfare. Who cares if its filled with lies its all about sending the message.

Yes, exactly

 

[Akhtar]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1417423720445091841

Is Erdogan worried about Pakistani Islamist backlash or the Taliban getting angry?

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1417423720445091841

Is Erdogan worried about Pakistani Islamist backlash or the Taliban getting angry?

It could be both.

Turkey and Pakistan usually been the opposite when it came to Afghanistan for decades it was usually kept behind close doors and now its become more public.

Who has Erdogan not pissed off lately

 

[Anastasius]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1417423720445091841

Is Erdogan worried about Pakistani Islamist backlash or the Taliban getting angry?

Turkey and Pakistan have always had their differences which were swept under the rug. For example, in Syria, there are some Pakistanis who fight in jihadist groups and even for Assad/pro-Iran/pro-Russia/anti-Turkey groups as soldiers for hire. And Pakistan directly co-operates with China to screw over Uyghurs, including deporting those who escaped back into the CCP's "loving" hands. These don't get reported much, for obvious reasons. In Afghanistan, it's gonna be interesting because if Erdogan really is gonna position himself as the anti-Taliban savior of Afghans, he'll be directly butting heads with Pakistan in the area. And this time, it's not gonna be possible to ignore Turkey and Pakistan being on opposing sides.