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Bayramda çalışınca ben de unuttum, herkesin geçmiş kurban bayramı mübarek olsun.
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Todays mentality disgusts me man. You have a lot of liberals and leftists praising refugees and saying being a refugee is a good thing.
Honestly there is nothing good about losing your homeland, family, friends and belongings while going to another land only to be treated like dirt. So many refugees have ended up with their organs taken out or ended up as slaves to be trafficked by criminals while many are languishing in camps, slums and detention centres.
I have sympathy for them but at the same time being a refugee should never be seen as a good thing. Majority of refugees know they want to return back because nobody can leave their home that they left behind you will always come back.
Refugee crisis could have easily been solved if countries worked together signed deals where every country takes in a certaim amount rather than having one country take them all in. Gulf Arabs are a disgrace as they refused to take 1 in the refugee crisis also showcased the racism between Levant Arabs and Gulf Arabs. Arabs regardless from Morocco to Iraq all hate each other this bs of Arab unity and Pan Arabism died off.
Erdogan really costed Turkey by accepting the EU deal. Most refugees are trying to reach Europe rather than staying in Turkey. Erodgan gladly accepted being the border guard of Europe by accepting EU money which EU did not fulfill while EU countries were reinforcing their borders.
Turkey, Pakistan, Colombia have all become dumping grounds for refugees. Look at the top 10 countries that have the most refugees none are from Europe or the West.
The West loves to speak about tolerance and acceptance until a brown or black guy appears then they change their tune.
Crazy how Israel gets away with it by not taking any refugees, sterilising ethiopian refugee women, building walls even sending troops to fight off refugees. While at the same time Israel preaches other countries to take refugees
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Best unintentional comedian of this century.
Half the time I'm not even sure he believes what he's saying or if he's just doing it for attention.
We got some great memes out of Buck Breaking though.
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Turkish naval programs are going too slowly and this is not ok given the geopolitical situation and our financial capabilities. Building a lots of ships in a small amount of time cost less than building fewer ships.
The Fremm programm is a very good example. If the French built the 17 Fremms originally intended it would have costed them 5,5 billions (315M per ship). Instead they cut the programs and built 8 ships for 7,5 billions (900M per ship). Building 17 ship would have cost less than building 8. Turkish decision makers should be careful..
here is an article in French https://www.ifrap.org/etat-et-collectivites/limmense-gachis-des-fregates-francaises
I google translated this part:
"Reduction of series and explosion of costs
The largest cooperative naval military program ever launched at European level, the FREMM program aimed for a very significant reduction in costs compared to a more traditional program thanks to four particular factors:
A large quantity of frigates of the same type: the joint order of 27 frigates by France and Italy was to allow a major reduction in the development costs of the ships. We are talking about a unit cost almost 30% lower than that of other European frigates, such as the German F125 [3], ie some 250 million euros before tax in 2003 for 27 units [4];
Very high productivity: the delivery rate initially planned for the 17 French frigates was one ship every 7 months, or 1.5 per year. The increased standardization of production techniques should make it possible to take advantage of a large beneficial series effect on unit costs and the total cost of the program;
Optimized maintenance in operational condition: ordering 17 FREMMs to replace three different types of ships (F67 ASM, F70 ASM and Avisos A69) should allow a real homogenization of the fleet, with obvious benefits in terms of crew training, maintenance and spare parts management [5];
Further automation: reducing the size of the crews, even if it raises questions of resilience in the face of serious damage, logically allows a reduction in the operating costs of vessels during their service life. It would thus only take 1,800 personnel to arm 17 FREMMs, instead of the 3,100 arming the 18 buildings to be replaced [6].
At the outset, we are in the presence of a program that has immense potential to renew a large part of the fleet, with homogeneous buildings, with great military qualities, and relatively controlled costs.
In October 2003, there was talk of 5.3 billion euros for all 17 frigates in the FREMM program, ie a unit cost of 311 million euros [7].
In 2005, when the program was officially launched, the program was reassessed at 6.5 billion euros for 17 ships, or 382 million euros per frigate [8].
In 2008, the mission to evaluate and control the financing of military naval projects evaluated the FREMM project at 8.5 billion euros, or 500 million euros in unit cost [9] again for 17 ships."
The Fremm programm is a very good example. If the French built the 17 Fremms originally intended it would have costed them 5,5 billions (315M per ship). Instead they cut the programs and built 8 ships for 7,5 billions (900M per ship). Building 17 ship would have cost less than building 8. Turkish decision makers should be careful..
here is an article in French https://www.ifrap.org/etat-et-collectivites/limmense-gachis-des-fregates-francaises
I google translated this part:
"Reduction of series and explosion of costs
The largest cooperative naval military program ever launched at European level, the FREMM program aimed for a very significant reduction in costs compared to a more traditional program thanks to four particular factors:
A large quantity of frigates of the same type: the joint order of 27 frigates by France and Italy was to allow a major reduction in the development costs of the ships. We are talking about a unit cost almost 30% lower than that of other European frigates, such as the German F125 [3], ie some 250 million euros before tax in 2003 for 27 units [4];
Very high productivity: the delivery rate initially planned for the 17 French frigates was one ship every 7 months, or 1.5 per year. The increased standardization of production techniques should make it possible to take advantage of a large beneficial series effect on unit costs and the total cost of the program;
Optimized maintenance in operational condition: ordering 17 FREMMs to replace three different types of ships (F67 ASM, F70 ASM and Avisos A69) should allow a real homogenization of the fleet, with obvious benefits in terms of crew training, maintenance and spare parts management [5];
Further automation: reducing the size of the crews, even if it raises questions of resilience in the face of serious damage, logically allows a reduction in the operating costs of vessels during their service life. It would thus only take 1,800 personnel to arm 17 FREMMs, instead of the 3,100 arming the 18 buildings to be replaced [6].
At the outset, we are in the presence of a program that has immense potential to renew a large part of the fleet, with homogeneous buildings, with great military qualities, and relatively controlled costs.
In October 2003, there was talk of 5.3 billion euros for all 17 frigates in the FREMM program, ie a unit cost of 311 million euros [7].
In 2005, when the program was officially launched, the program was reassessed at 6.5 billion euros for 17 ships, or 382 million euros per frigate [8].
In 2008, the mission to evaluate and control the financing of military naval projects evaluated the FREMM project at 8.5 billion euros, or 500 million euros in unit cost [9] again for 17 ships."
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They play Italie tomorrow,should be a win.
After that the US(top favorite).
The rest of the opponents(in the group) shouldnt be a problem.
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Bizim Sultanlar vs Bizim Esekler.
Interesting seeing the Turkish womens volleyball team having the attention they deserve. I hope this leads to football losing its spotlight.
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That will never happen,football will always be nr 1.
We just need to get rid of the old-school trainers/managers who keep letting names instead of talent play.
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insightfull clip for anyone f who diminish and consider your culture/state/civilisation backward, first world country my ass.
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It's on purpose. Not cleaning up and repairing damage is the way they want to let people know that climate change is real so that it'll seep into the psyche of people. The more people hurt by weather disasters the more support for climate change regulations.
It also fits into the wider de-industrialization efforts to reach the climate goals of 2030 and beyond. The more damage the environment does on population and industrial areas, the less the state needs to enforce climate regulations on the industry.
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