Alp Havacıık produces the gearbox of TS-1400. TS-1400 project is perfectly on track.
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First prototype should be ready end of this year from earlier interviews. But it will be on test next 4 yearsIf you don't mind, may I ask you a question?
I heard that the prototype of TF-6000 exists at the Korea Forum yesterday, is it true? I remember only looking at the Mock-up, can someone tell me?
It won't be ready by the end of this year. The CEO had said the first prototype was going to be fired in Q1 2023 but since we had trouble acquiring the necessary accessory gearbox, we won't see it running in the first half of 2023. About the testing campaign, I think it will be tested on the bench for two years and then one or two years on a flying platform. This is only speculation, ofc.First prototype should be ready end of this year from earlier interviews. But it will be on test next 4 years
Ask if before why.is there a reason not to test two or tree motors at the same time for different tests at the same time.
There is a slight misunderstanding in the way it is translated I think. According to the article in Turkish, Dr Aksit is saying that the TF6000 can lend itself to various end uses; Such as if we made a turboshaft version, it could fly Atak-2 and if we turned it in to a marine turbine engine, it could power fast attack boats.Explanations on the TF6000 engine from Mahmut Faruk Akşit
TF10000AB afterburner turbofan engine will be developed
For ATAK 2, the turboshaft engine will be developed over the TF6000 core.
Why even listen to Greek claims?Problem with integration of Korean power pack? The Greeks claim that the process has stalled and is not progressing.
It is being produced/assembled right now. The first ignition will be done next year. If everything goes as expected we might see one of them on an unmanned system as early as 2025. TFX engine will be a scaled-up and modified version of TF-6000. Modifications will include RCS-optimized nozzles and a special cooling system to suppress IR signature. My personal sources quote 2026 for the first ignition and 2029-30 for availability.If you don't mind, may I ask you a question?
I heard that the prototype of TF-6000 exists at the Korea Forum yesterday, is it true? I remember only looking at the Mock-up, can someone tell me?
OK, I'll bite.Single crystal blades and thermal barrier coatings for starters. Technology that took Pratt and Whitney, and GE how many years to develop? Not talking about TS1400. Plus various other small tidbits, Mr. Mahmut Akşit himself said that they faced embargoes on fuel pumps, oil pumps, gearboxes, etc.. and that this has caused delays. I don't know which parts we can manufacture and cannot, but I'm just realistic enough to know that making an engine of that scale without outside help is not realistic.
What did it take for China to come up with WS-15? For India to come up with the failure that is Kaveri? What is the total budget for our TF-X project? Don't dodge this question now.
What did it take for China to come up with WS-15? For India to come up with the failure that is Kaveri? What is the total budget for our TF-X project? Don't dodge this question now.
Where are you pulling 20 years? Pratt and Whitney received a contract in 1970 to make the engines for the F-15 and the F-15 flew like in 1972.But the TF-X engine, has to be built in the near future. Which is why we NEED that involvement. Because otherwise that shorter time window will be about at least 20 years
I agree, somehow I'm totally positive about the great outcomes in this topic. I think we can do it thx to our experiences.OK, I'll bite.
Turkey has successfully cast SCB(single crystal blades) in 2015 for the first time. And TÜBİTAK MAM has been developing the technology ever since. Recently, Mahmut Akşit said that they're using 3rd generation SCB for their turbine blades.
TÜBİTAK MAM has also developed TBC for TS1400 for the first time. @TheInsider has said that the institution is developing double-layer thermal barrier coatings for the TFX engine program. Watch the video below.
The other components you mentioned are trivial. They can be outsourced or subcontracted to a local company to develop and the would certainly not take a decade to
I think the confusion comes from the one to one comparison with the other countries like China or India who had no prior knowledge or experience in the field and took on a major task of developing large turbines and failed at it for decades. TEI is not in the same situation. Go visit the section of capabilities on TEI's website. We are already a significant part of the western turbine engine ecosystem. We're already very good at cold sections of the engine and with T700, TS1400 and TF6000 we gained significant know-how and know-why about hot-sections. We have reached the maturity to develop a big turbine(or will reach with TF6000). I'm not saying it will be a piece of cake but it's within our reach, imo.
These are the parts that are produced by TEI for GEnx engine.
And these are for the LEAP engine, again, manufactured by TEI
We're not starting from scratch like the Chinese or Indians were.
That said, there are people who are much more knowledgeable about the subject than I am. We should hear what they have to say. Their opinions would carry much more weight.
@Nilgiri @Yasar
I'm not claiming that it's going to be a smooth run. There's always a chance of failure. And since I'm not in the industry, I cannot truly appreciate the difficulty of developing a large turbine engine. But we are not naive. We've been developing the necessary technologies and have been building the infrastructure. We have reasons to be optimistic.I agree, somehow I'm totally positive about the great outcomes in this topic. I think we can do it thx to our experiences.
OK, I'll bite.
Turkey has successfully cast SCB(single crystal blades) in 2015 for the first time. And TÜBİTAK MAM has been developing the technology ever since. Recently, Mahmut Akşit said that they're using 3rd generation SCB for their turbine blades.
TÜBİTAK MAM has also developed TBC for TS1400 for the first time. @TheInsider has said that the institution is developing double-layer thermal barrier coatings for the TFX engine program. Watch the video below.
The other components you mentioned are trivial. They can be outsourced or subcontracted to a local company to develop and the would certainly not take a decade to
I think the confusion comes from the one to one comparison with the other countries like China or India who had no prior knowledge or experience in the field and took on a major task of developing large turbines and failed at it for decades. TEI is not in the same situation. Go visit the section of capabilities on TEI's website. We are already a significant part of the western turbine engine ecosystem. We're already very good at cold sections of the engine and with T700, TS1400 and TF6000 we gained significant know-how and know-why about hot-sections. We have reached the maturity to develop a big turbine(or will reach with TF6000). I'm not saying it will be a piece of cake but it's within our reach, imo.
These are the parts that are produced by TEI for GEnx engine.
And these are for the LEAP engine, again, manufactured by TEI
We're not starting from scratch like the Chinese or Indians were.
That said, there are people who are much more knowledgeable about the subject than I am. We should hear what they have to say. Their opinions would carry much more weight.
@Nilgiri @Yasar
We are able to produce an equivalent to F-119 engine (2D trust vectoring+ Supercruise) with 35.000 ibf (dry thrust) ?Turkey will produce the so called 5th generation turbofan engine for the TFX sooner or later. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
Being able to produce Single Crystal Turbine blades for a small diameter engine like TS1400 does not automatically mean that TEI will be able to produce Single Crystal blades for a large 35000lbf class engine. But we are now being told/given the hint that Tubitak Sage and TEI are now in a position and confident to produce these difficult hot parts in house. And TEI‘s MD has outright declared that they are in a position to be able to produce an engine comparable to F119.
Being able to produce both low pressure and high pressure compressor sections of a large engine with blisk fans and with 3D additive manufacturing techniques is a big feat of achievement in it’s own right. The engines that GE has been developing using these techniques lend themselves to being fuel efficient and having longer operational lives as well as having lower turbine inlet temperatures. Hence not being very demanding on hot parts. TEI utilising the same manufacturing methods is in a position to attain same with their engines.
One thing that needs to be remembered though, is the fact that due to patent laws, TEI has to design and develop these engines from scratch. It can’t just copy a current GE engine. It has to go through the vigorous tests like all major engine manufacturers would. And this takes time. Time is a commodity that we don’t have. Any mishaps, embargoes or unforeseen delays would add years to the planned integration of an engine to TFX. There has got to be a “B” plan for engines.
That is where RR/Kale comes in. That is where Typhoon planes should come in too.