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Somali territorial waters will be protected by the Turkish navy for 10 years. During this period, the construction, personnel training, doctrination and equiping of the Somali navy will be carried out with the Turkish naval forces. Presumably, the scope of the TURKSOM mission will also be expanded, and a new naval base will be built outside the existing infrastructure. In addition to the Turkish navy's support in building the Somali naval force and protecting Somali territorial waters, Somalia will also become a far-end supply base for Turkish naval forces.

I expect that some of the platforms in reserve or soon to be removed from active inventory could be used in the construction of the Somali navy. With the heavy arms embargo on Somalia would be eased, the ongoing train-and-equip missions in Somalia would be deepened.

Somalia will increase its importance in Turkish geopolitics and therefore in the plans of the Turkish navy in the coming period. In a more general framework, it would not be a wrong prediction that our navy will enter a period of overseas expansion. Apart from Somalia, the construction of the base area in the Cyprus is waiting to start, and two other points in Africa have strong possibilities, and perhaps another supply base in the seas connected to the Indian Ocean may be on the agenda in the coming period.

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Somali territorial waters will be protected by the Turkish navy for 10 years. During this period, the construction, personnel training, doctrination and equiping of the Somali navy will be carried out with the Turkish naval forces. Presumably, the scope of the TURKSOM mission will also be expanded, and a new naval base will be built outside the existing infrastructure. In addition to the Turkish navy's support in building the Somali naval force and protecting Somali territorial waters, Somalia will also become a far-end supply base for Turkish naval forces.

I expect that some of the platforms in reserve or soon to be removed from active inventory could be used in the construction of the Somali navy. With the heavy arms embargo on Somalia would be eased, the ongoing train-and-equip missions in Somalia would be deepened.

Somalia will increase its importance in Turkish geopolitics and therefore in the plans of the Turkish navy in the coming period. In a more general framework, it would not be a wrong prediction that our navy will enter a period of overseas expansion. Apart from Somalia, the construction of the base area in the Cyprus is waiting to start, and two other points in Africa have strong possibilities, and perhaps another supply base in the seas connected to the Indian Ocean may be on the agenda in the coming period.

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Let the airborne guys enjoy their day we can discuss this in a week or so .

dBSPL said:

I expect that some of the platforms in reserve or soon to be removed from active inventory could be used in the construction of the Somali navy.

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Thinking about it, any platforms we may retire, would not be a great pick for operating costs. Burak Class avisos maybe? I'm thinking lots of Yonca and Ares boats and even 1 or 2 lightly armed Hisar Class OPVs in the future. Maybe we can send the first two Hisars after opearting them for a few years. Add 2-4 Aksungurs and you get yourself a nice fleet.

For our own use, this calls for updating the Hisar Class size from 8 to 10 asap...

dBSPL said:

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Somali territorial waters will be protected by the Turkish navy for 10 years. During this period, the construction, personnel training, doctrination and equiping of the Somali navy will be carried out with the Turkish naval forces. Presumably, the scope of the TURKSOM mission will also be expanded, and a new naval base will be built outside the existing infrastructure. In addition to the Turkish navy's support in building the Somali naval force and protecting Somali territorial waters, Somalia will also become a far-end supply base for Turkish naval forces.

I expect that some of the platforms in reserve or soon to be removed from active inventory could be used in the construction of the Somali navy. With the heavy arms embargo on Somalia would be eased, the ongoing train-and-equip missions in Somalia would be deepened.

Somalia will increase its importance in Turkish geopolitics and therefore in the plans of the Turkish navy in the coming period. In a more general framework, it would not be a wrong prediction that our navy will enter a period of overseas expansion. Apart from Somalia, the construction of the base area in the Cyprus is waiting to start, and two other points in Africa have strong possibilities, and perhaps another supply base in the seas connected to the Indian Ocean may be on the agenda in the coming period.

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That is a very positive strategic decision that Somalia made. Although I am not sure what kind fo navy they can build in next 10 years. It is better to start with a decent coast guard. Their economy is too small for a navy.

Sanchez said:

Thinking about it, any platforms we may retire, would not be a great pick for operating costs. Burak Class avisos maybe? I'm thinking lots of Yonca and Ares boats and even 1 or 2 lightly armed Hisar Class OPVs in the future. Maybe we can send the first two Hisars after opearting them for a few years. Add 2-4 Aksungurs and you get yourself a nice fleet.

For our own use, this calls for updating the Hisar Class size from 8 to 10 asap...

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Üstad, what came to mind were the Dogan class boats. These can serve as patrol boats. After seeing no hurry in the TTHB for years, its sudden acceleration leaves such an impression on me. The boats to be decommissioned can be transferred to Somalia and Libya. Although they are old boats, they will be easier to operate than the Burak class. Training processes can be faster as they will be transferred from the inventory. Of course, these are pure speculations based on no information. If there is a sponsor, our shipyards can immediately start building a new MILGEM, or Dearsan can built a whole brand new navy from scratch, no problem. lol

Afif said:

That is a very positive strategic decision that Somalia made. Although I am not sure what kind fo navy they can build in next 10 years. It is better to start with a decent coast guard. Their economy is too small for a navy.

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It is probably a mix between what you would call coast guard and navy, and they'll big it up as a strong navy.

Afif said:

Their economy is too small for a navy.

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"Somalia has untapped reserves of numerous natural resources, including uranium, iron ore, tin, gypsum, bauxite, copper, salt and natural gas "​

They just need a reliable partner and Turkey could play that role with mutual benefit. They would both achieve substantial benefits, and unlike Djibouti, Somalia has fewer international actors and local support for Turkish presence is so great .
In addition ,Turkey has already laid a solid ground through the past few years. The local Somalis experienced how positive their role is compared to other countries that had a chance there. A very revealing example you can observe is when some UAE and Bahraini soldiers were killed recently by a Somali soldier. You would be surprised how the news was circulating with joy and calls for deporting the rest

Australian and Chinese oil companies have been granted licenses for finding petroleum and other natural resources in the country. An oil group listed in Sydney, Range Resources, anticipates that the Puntland province in the north has the potential to produce 5 billion barrels (790×106 m3) to 10 billion barrels (1.6×109 m3) of oil.[62] As a result of these developments, the Somali Petroleum Company was created by the federal government.

In the late 1960s, UN geologists also discovered major uranium deposits and other rare mineral reserves in Somalia. The find was the largest of its kind, with industry experts estimating the deposits at over 25% of the world's then known uranium reserves of 800,000 tons.[63] In 1984, the IUREP Orientation Phase Mission to Somalia reported that the country had 5,000 tons of uranium reasonably assured resources (RAR), 11,000 tons of uranium estimated additional resources (EAR) in calcrete deposits, as well as possibly up to 150,000 tons of uranium speculative resources (SR) in sandstone and calcrete deposits.[64] Somalia concurrently evolved into a major world supplier of uranium, with American, UAE, Italian and Brazilian mineral companies vying for extraction rights.[65] Link Natural resources have a stake in the natural resources of the central region, Kilimanjaro Capital has a stake in the 1,161,400 acres Amsas-Coriole-Afgoi (ACA) Block, which includes uranium exploration.[66] Besides uranium, an unspecified quantity of yttrium, a rare earth element and costly mineral, was also found in the country.[63]

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Hi Üstad, I think we will see significantly different platform illustrations when it comes to detailed design phase. But these photos are ofc historic in terms of the message they convey to the world.

dBSPL said:

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Somali territorial waters will be protected by the Turkish navy for 10 years. During this period, the construction, personnel training, doctrination and equiping of the Somali navy will be carried out with the Turkish naval forces. Presumably, the scope of the TURKSOM mission will also be expanded, and a new naval base will be built outside the existing infrastructure. In addition to the Turkish navy's support in building the Somali naval force and protecting Somali territorial waters, Somalia will also become a far-end supply base for Turkish naval forces.

I expect that some of the platforms in reserve or soon to be removed from active inventory could be used in the construction of the Somali navy. With the heavy arms embargo on Somalia would be eased, the ongoing train-and-equip missions in Somalia would be deepened.

Somalia will increase its importance in Turkish geopolitics and therefore in the plans of the Turkish navy in the coming period. In a more general framework, it would not be a wrong prediction that our navy will enter a period of overseas expansion. Apart from Somalia, the construction of the base area in the Cyprus is waiting to start, and two other points in Africa have strong possibilities, and perhaps another supply base in the seas connected to the Indian Ocean may be on the agenda in the coming period.

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Actually thinking a little we come to a simple conclusion;



And few with these;


Lastly, after a Navy is trained, few of these for rapid intervention.

Minimal needed infastructure for maintenance, easy to operate, highly protected and agile systems for CO&IN and anti-piracy.

NTPB + Inspection Boats + Ares OPV. These two are very suitable to launch a Navy from scratch. NTPB is a multi-purpose, small craft that is easy to handle in shipyards (that can be even lifted and maintained on the Pier, not requiring a Dock. Or improve Inspection boats a little with a STAMP;

NTPB costs $10 million, each inspection boat goes as low as $1 million or even less, a larger variant with STAMP shall not cost a lot either and there are larger versions of the Inspection Boat.

We can subsidize them all, train the crew / personnel within 3 years and field in 5 years and then make of the costs. But prior to these, we need skilled fisherman and fisheries that can operate at those seas, utilize high tech equipment and marine research to make use of the sources. I am doubting if we have any enterprise level skilled fishermen, companies from north would be likely holders of the license we grant.

Anmdt said:

Actually thinking a little we come to a simple conclusion;
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Lastly, after a Navy is trained, few of these for rapid intervention.
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Minimal needed infastructure for maintenance, easy to operate, highly protected and agile systems for CO&IN and anti-piracy.

NTPB + Inspection Boats + Ares OPV. These two are very suitable to launch a Navy from scratch. NTPB is a multi-purpose, small craft that is easy to handle in shipyards (that can be even lifted and maintained on the Pier, not requiring a Dock. Or improve Inspection boats a little with a STAMP;

NTPB costs $10 million, each inspection boat goes as low as $1 million or even less, a larger variant with STAMP shall not cost a lot either and there are larger versions of the Inspection Boat.

We can subsidize them all, train the crew / personnel within 3 years and field in 5 years and then make of the costs. But prior to these, we need skilled fisherman and fisheries that can operate at those seas, utilize high tech equipment and marine research to make use of the sources. I am doubting if we have any enterprise level skilled fishermen, companies from north would be likely holders of the license we grant.

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Actually according to Wikipedia they already operate at least 11 MRTP16s and other light boats in small quantities. Of course, it is not even near enough to patrol effectively Somali waters, but it is a start at least.

What we are probably going to do with the Somali Navy, we previously did in Libya to some extent. Libyan personnel came in Turkiye for training, but also the Turkish Navy regularly conducts training courses aimed at improvement of the professional qualities of the Libyan Navy/Coast Guard personnel. They have some limited capability to patrol their waters, they even successfully completed an EOD operation overseen by the Turkish Navy, but in Libya there is another problem that may be a common problem with what is to come in Somalia.

Many of the Libyan Navy/Coast Guard personnel are in contact with smugglers and criminal gangs busy with refugee smuggling. In this sense the operations regarding illegal migration are not as effective. I fear that a similar situation may erupt within the Somali Navy as it expands in both personnel number and technical capabilities. This is why we need to oversee the work of the intelligence and the public security forces of Somalia in order to prevent corruption or illegal collaboration with pirates or other smugglers as much as possible. This is of crucial importance so our investments regarding the security of Somali waters don't go in vain.

What I am happy about is that the Turkish Navy gradually expands its footprint and ensure its presence wherever there are Turkish interests. I am glad that the Navy is also getting new capabilities so we can provide security to our military and diplomatic missions along with securing effectively our business interests by showing our deterrence. Slowly, but surely we are getting there!

Our veteran cadet training ship TCG Sokullu Mehmet Paşa retired with a ceremony. Probably very soon the sister ship Cezayirli Hasan Paşa will also be retired. If I am not mistaken, they were the oldest ships in our navy. They were purchased in the 1990s and joined the Turkish Navy as training ships. They were very active ships that made many overseas port visits during their duty, and trained many naval officers.

dBSPL said:

Our veteran cadet training ship TCG Sokullu Mehmet Paşa retired with a ceremony. Probably very soon the sister ship Cezayirli Hasan Paşa will also be retired. If I am not mistaken, they were the oldest ships in our navy. They were purchased in the 1990s and joined the Turkish Navy as training ships. They were very active ships that made many overseas port visits during their duty, and trained many naval officers.

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Ah yes memories,.

I hope we are going to introduce another school & training & ship soon to the service. No doubts any shipyard (among the elite ones) can handle it now. With everything coming forward we already need one proper test ship, but anyway there is lack of commitment from all parties towards that. Let it be part of duties so the design can be considersd in lieu with it.

TCG Ufuk isn't quite a test or training ship for basic equipment, or in common sense with Sokullu Mehmet Pasa. It is oriented for EW & Intelligence based equipment - platform tests, training of the personnel on this field. A specialized test and training platform.

Anmdt said:

Ah yes memories,.

I hope we are going to introduce another school & training & ship soon to the service. No doubts any shipyard (among the elite ones) can handle it now. With everything coming forward we already need one proper test ship, but anyway there is lack of commitment from all parties towards that. Let it be part of duties so the design can be considersd in lieu with it.

TCG Ufuk isn't quite a test or training ship for basic equipment, or in common sense with Sokullu Mehmet Pasa. It is oriented for EW & Intelligence based equipment - platform tests, training of the personnel on this field. A specialized test and training platform.

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Although the state of modern naval ships has largely left the need for tender ships behind, I would like to see such versatile ships reinterpreted in a way that incorporates today's new approaches and technologies. Although we used the Rhein class as a cadet ship, it was a platform with sufficient self-defense for its times, powerful engines that can tow any ship, supply and command capabilities according to the conditions of the period.

Today, I would love to see some kind of offshore support and assistance vessel with a displacement of 1500-2000t in our navy that can also operate multiple USVs and VTOL UAVs. This ship could also be a cadet ship.

Could it be Yavuz class is next cadet ship in the current navy's combat fleet? Or LST Osman Bey could continue to be used for this purpose in terms of living quarters facilities.

dBSPL said:

Although the state of modern naval ships has largely left the need for tender ships behind, I would like to see such versatile ships reinterpreted in a way that incorporates today's new approaches and technologies. Although we used the Rhein class as a cadet ship, it was a platform with sufficient self-defense for its times, powerful engines that can tow any ship, supply and command capabilities according to the conditions of the period.

Today, I would love to see some kind of offshore support and assistance vessel with a displacement of 1500-2000t in our navy that can also operate multiple USVs and VTOL UAVs. This ship could also be a cadet ship.

Could it be Yavuz class is next cadet ship in the current navy's combat fleet? Or LST Osman Bey could continue to be used for this purpose in terms of living quarters facilities.

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Yavuz class deserves to retire, in my opinion. The rush for additional I-class stems from this. Sarucabey was set to retire as well, Osman Bey could have been oriented merely for 5 to 10 years in such a role.

So obviously we need a new ship that incorporates new technologies, not necessarily based on existing class and we may even utilize CTS of Anadolu Shipyard.

Sokollu and Cezayirli was a old and disaster ship for cadets. They all experienced worst ships of navy in the beginning of his carriers.

We need new training ships.

Great news, usv ready for civilian duty