Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

Mandala said:

So are we getting the next generation FREMM EVO?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1762402278894440543

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1762387636436545781

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I don't think allocated loan is enough for that

Oh FREMM is still on the table, abandon PPA then.

Its either FREMM or PPA for me.

NEKO said:

Oh FREMM is still on the table, abandon PPA then.

Its either FREMM or PPA for me.

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i think Navy wanna so much OPV thalon, will be concept our OPV in the the future

satria said:

i think Navy wanna so much OPV thalon, will be concept our OPV in the the future

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ga ngaceng broh ?

If funds are low, reduce the FREMM acquisition to just 3 units, then order another new model

NEKO said:

Oh FREMM is still on the table, abandon PPA then.

Its either FREMM or PPA for me.

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It's what they said

IMO we can abandon both FREMM and PPA and build more FMP, but if it is a must to get ships from Italy and we need to choose between FREMM or PPA then I think we should choose FREMM.

PAL have experience building SIGMA and now FMP. I think they should gather their courage and come up with their own design for frigate sized warship. Using inspiration from building SIGMA and FMP to make a basic frigate sized warship with OK SeWaCo but with increased endurance and range and use it for OPV, then as time goes by develop and improve it or make new design based from the experience from the previous design until we have frigate/destroyer with advanced AAW, ASuW, ASW and EW.

Umigami said:

I don't think allocated loan is enough for that

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2 billion for 2 ships?

NEKO said:

IMO we can abandon both FREMM and PPA and build more FMP, but if it is a must to get ships from Italy and we need to choose between FREMM or PPA then I think we should choose FREMM.

PAL have experience building SIGMA and now FMP. I think they should gather their courage and come up with their own design for frigate sized warship. Using inspiration from building SIGMA and FMP to make a basic frigate sized warship with OK SeWaCo but with increased endurance and range and use it for OPV, then as time goes by develop and improve it or make new design based from the experience from the previous design until we have frigate/destroyer with advanced AAW, ASuW, ASW and EW.

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Quite sad PPA doesnt have hull mounted sonar. But what piqued my interest, they could fit PPA with HWT launcher. Plus the 40 knots speed.

Indonesia Initiates Contract Negotiations for Two Scorpene Evolved Submarines

When the contract is approved, both submarines will be fully built at the PT PAL Surabaya facility with the assistance of the French Naval Group.




Friday, 01-03-2024
TSM-Representatives from the French shipyard Naval Group have arrived in Jakarta to begin contract negotiations for two lithium-ion battery-equipped Scorpene Evolved diesel-electric submarines (SSK).

Separate sources have confirmed that negotiations for the potential contract began at the Indonesian Ministry of Defense (Kemenhan) office on Jalan Medan Merdeka Barat on February 26. The key points of discussion include how the program will be funded if the contract materializes.

As part of its offer, Naval Group has partnered with the French government's Directorate General of Finance to fully finance the program through three sources of loans.

This includes a credit facility with the French Banque publique d'investissement and direct loans from the Directorate General of the Treasury, which will fund up to 85% of the Naval Group's contract portion.

The third loan source, to be arranged with an unspecified private commercial lender, will fund the remaining 15% of the Naval Group's contract portion and up to 100% of the state-owned shipbuilding company PT PAL's portion in the contract.

The submarine procurement contract will involve both companies as part of a technology transfer agreement. Under this agreement, both submarines will be entirely constructed in Surabaya, with construction work on the first submarine scheduled to begin 14 months after the effective date of the contract and after funding sources and initial payments have been secured. (Ridzwan Rahmat)

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The report above is from Janes

Lordimperator said:

Quite sad PPA doesnt have hull mounted sonar. But what piqued my interest, they could fit PPA with HWT launcher. Plus the 40 knots speed.

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If you order a new one then you can have it built with hull mounted sonar, just request it.

Soman45 said:

Under this agreement, both submarines will be entirely constructed in Surabaya

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Very nice.

But how's the progress with the ship lift and transfer system for the submarine facility.

NEKO said:

But how's the progress with the ship lift and transfer system for the submarine facility.

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It's what they said

Two OPV 90M construction progress as of 2 February 2024. Nothing significant changes from previous pics. And this Noahtu shipyard gonna build the Navy FREMM am i right? Sad.

Mandala said:

And this Noahtu shipyard gonna build the Navy FREMM am i right? Sad.

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Sauce?
And wtf.

Mandala said:

Two OPV 90M construction progress as of 2 February 2024. Nothing significant changes from previous pics. And this Noahtu shipyard gonna build the Navy FREMM am i right? Sad.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1763869669314965992

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the replied under it

NEKO said:

Sauce?
And wtf.

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PT Daya Radar Utama (DRU) is now renamed to PT Noahtu.

"To implement ship production in Indonesia, Fincantieri collaborates with PT. Noahtu Shipyard is an Indonesian private company that produces ships of various types such as tank transport ships, warships, cruise ships and so on."

Soman45 said:

the replied under it

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1763873280753283489

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I'm no expert in ship building but cmiiw i don't think the ships will be ready for launching in April.

Hopefully, if they finalized the FREMM and/ PPA for ALRI, they bought the dart ammunitions too.

Lordimperator said:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1764059474925654329

Hopefully, if they finalized the FREMM and/ PPA for ALRI, they bought the dart ammunitions too.

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that would contradict the earlier goal, DART ammo is expensive

Gary said:

that would contradict the earlier goal, DART ammo is expensive

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DART vs Aster missiles which one is cheaper? for downing incoming threat like UAV or AShM

Merah Putih Frigate 1st hull progress, PTPAL has worked on 58 blocks out of 161. To be put on graving dock on April per Target.


The Surveillance radar (ffbnw)

Source :
Muhammad Hilmi FacebookPage

Estimation:
-Advent cms
-Cafrad MFR
-Cenk S surveillance radar (ffbnw)