TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

GoatsMilk said:

Its so obvious the trap the westerners are setting the armenians up for. Armenians dont learn from their failed history. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

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Just like we couldnt allow Russia to annex Ukraine, we cannot allow them to annex Armenia, Turkey/Azerbaijan must have plans for if that day comes that the Russian thugs attempt another violent invasion.

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If it is Turkey and Azerbaijan that must war against Russia, that's great for the people who want to curb Erdogan.

Two birds, one stone.

GoatsMilk said:

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"Margarita Simonyan, the editor-in-chief of Russian state-controlled broadcaster RT and one of the most prominent faces of pro-Kremlin propaganda called Armenia's PM Pashinyan "a traitor to the Armenian people," who was "steering the nation towards ruin". She warned, "If the Armenian people persist in supporting him, there will be no Armenia in five years' time, just as there's no Karabakh in the form that the Armenian people desire."

As much as she's that got typical Russian cultural fanaticism for violence and tyranny, she's right, the russians will annex them if Armenia thinks she can stay enemies with Turkey/Azerbaijan while trying to suck of a new daddy in the west.

Only way Armenia can seperate from Russia in the mid term is to stop the hostility against Turkey/Azerbaijan and make peace. Then build security ties with Turkey/Azerbaijan and then if she wants to kick the Russians out she can.

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What Pashinyan needs is one more military fail and I am confident that he is done. The Armenian people will remove him themselves and we know what happens next.

Russia is surely hardening the tone especially after Russian troops were asked to leave Armenia.

One thing is for sure:

Russians are not good neighbours.

Pashinyan staying has been pretty good so far, let's hope for another term.

Iskander said:

Armenia, despite Moscow’s stern warning, continues the “diversification game” in the military and security spheres. Greek Minister of National Defense Nikolaos Dendias visited Yerevan.
Dendias said that Greece sees itself as a country that will help Armenia as much as possible, taking into account historical ties, and also because these are very close countries. “We really want to do this,”
ANikolaos Dendias stated: “We have created a successful trilateral defense cooperation between Armenia, Greece and Cyprus. But there could be other trilateral or quadrilateral relations with France and India – with important countries, important powers, very powerful mutual friends of Armenia and Greece.”

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Greece is on fire these days. After the statements and publications of Turkiye and the US on some issues (Mediterranean and Aegean maps), Greek government officials have been traveling to all countries that have bad relations with Turkiye.

Baryshx said:

Greece is on fire these days. After the statements and publications of Turkiye and the US on some issues (Mediterranean and Aegean maps), Greek government officials have been traveling to all countries that have bad relations with Turkiye.

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The Prime Minister of Greece was literally under Russian fire.
Mitsotakis made a statement the day after his visit to Odessa. The day before, when Mitsotakis and Ukrainian President Zelensky were inspecting the city port, explosions occurred there. The politicians did not have time to take cover.
Mitsotakis made a statement to Putin:
“In this dark hour for Europe, as war has returned to our continent, we have demonstrated our resolve and unwavering support for Ukraine in an unprecedented—dare I say unexpected to some of our enemies—show of unity... We must have only one message to the Kremlin: You You won’t scare us!”
Mitsotakis was very angry. I've never seen him like this.



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Athens decided to be at enmity with Russia?!
It seems that soon we will hear the cries of the Greeks: Komşuuu! Save us from the Russians!

Iskander said:

The Prime Minister of Greece was literally under Russian fire.
Mitsotakis made a statement the day after his visit to Odessa. The day before, when Mitsotakis and Ukrainian President Zelensky were inspecting the city port, explosions occurred there. The politicians did not have time to take cover.
Mitsotakis made a statement to Putin:
“In this dark hour for Europe, as war has returned to our continent, we have demonstrated our resolve and unwavering support for Ukraine in an unprecedented—dare I say unexpected to some of our enemies—show of unity... We must have only one message to the Kremlin: You You won’t scare us!”
Mitsotakis was very angry. I've never seen him like this.

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Athens decided to be at enmity with Russia?!
It seems that soon we will hear the cries of the Greeks: Komşuuu! Save us from the Russians!

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Greeks can afford to piss off Russia because any invasion will end up going through Turkiye first anyway.

Reminds me of the Polish joke about asking a genie to make Mongolians invade Poland because it means they end up going through Russia twice.

Iskander said:

The Prime Minister of Greece was literally under Russian fire.
Mitsotakis made a statement the day after his visit to Odessa. The day before, when Mitsotakis and Ukrainian President Zelensky were inspecting the city port, explosions occurred there. The politicians did not have time to take cover.
Mitsotakis made a statement to Putin:
“In this dark hour for Europe, as war has returned to our continent, we have demonstrated our resolve and unwavering support for Ukraine in an unprecedented—dare I say unexpected to some of our enemies—show of unity... We must have only one message to the Kremlin: You You won’t scare us!”
Mitsotakis was very angry. I've never seen him like this.

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However, compare for yourself

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Athens decided to be at enmity with Russia?!
It seems that soon we will hear the cries of the Greeks: Komşuuu! Save us from the Russians!

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The thing is if the Russian army strikes had killed the Greek PM it would have meant nothing more then a few angry articles in western papers. It would mean absolutely nothing to Russia or the wider geostrategic picture. The sooner the greeks realise they are at best just a pawn on the chessboard the sooner they can follow productive and sane policies.

Iskander said:

Armenia, despite Moscow’s stern warning, continues the “diversification game” in the military and security spheres. Greek Minister of National Defense Nikolaos Dendias visited Yerevan.
Dendias said that Greece sees itself as a country that will help Armenia as much as possible, taking into account historical ties, and also because these are very close countries. “We really want to do this,”
ANikolaos Dendias stated: “We have created a successful trilateral defense cooperation between Armenia, Greece and Cyprus. But there could be other trilateral or quadrilateral relations with France and India – with important countries, important powers, very powerful mutual friends of Armenia and Greece.”

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Yes,France should send soldiers.
African humiliation was not enough.

A Russian invasion of Greece would have been far better for Turkey instead of Ukraine.

Scott Summers said:

A Russian invasion of Greece would have been far better for Turkey instead of Ukraine.

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Recently, Russia was about to kill the Greek Prime Minister at a medal ceremony he attended in Odessa. However, Mitsotakis and Zelenski narrowly escaped being killed when they left 10-15 minutes before the ceremony was bombed. The murder of the prime minister of a NATO member country by the Russians in Ukraine could lead to the start of World War III. If I were you, I would think carefully about where this could lead.

Scott Summers said:

A Russian invasion of Greece would have been far better for Turkey instead of Ukraine.

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Yes, we would love it if Russia managed to encircle us from 4 sides, true mastermind of geopolitics.

Scott Summers said:

A Russian invasion of Greece would have been far better for Turkey instead of Ukraine.

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Yeah, starting WW3 and dragging us in, would clearly be better. /s

Anastasius said:

Greeks can afford to piss off Russia because any invasion will end up going through Turkiye first anyway.

Reminds me of the Polish joke about asking a genie to make Mongolians invade Poland because it means they end up going through Russia twice.

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The entire Russian border, from Norway in the north to the Black Sea in the south, is closed. Russians carry out 40% of all trade through the Black Sea and Turkey. Russia does not have the luxury of entering into conflict with Turkey. I will even say more, they cannot afford to conflict even with us. For the sake of maintaining good relations with Azerbaijan and Turkey, they have long come to terms with the loss of Armenia as an ally.
They are firmly stuck in Ukraine. In the event of incredible success there, their position, in my opinion, could worsen even further (Russia’s victory is unacceptable for the West).
The current geopolitics of Russia can be expressed in one word - Catastrophe.

"Pledged to deepen defence cooperation with Turkiye"

Bogeyman said:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1766179007714730410

"Pledged to deepen defence cooperation with Turkiye"

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Bogeyman said:

Recently, Russia was about to kill the Greek Prime Minister at a medal ceremony he attended in Odessa. However, Mitsotakis and Zelenski narrowly escaped being killed when they left 10-15 minutes before the ceremony was bombed. The murder of the prime minister of a NATO member country by the Russians in Ukraine could lead to the start of World War III. If I were you, I would think carefully about where this could lead.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1765377973471879190

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1765413480322974188

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I dont think so , NATO article 5 say that countries that are part of NATO and if they are attacked in their land unprovocked can be defended by whole NATO , not PM in another country that is in war

BalkanTurk90 said:

I dont think so , NATO article 5 say that countries that are part of NATO and if they are attacked in their land unprovocked can be defended by whole NATO , not PM in another country that is in war

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There is a difference between the interpretation of these agreements by the strong countries and the interpretation of the weak countries. For countries that are left alone within NATO, such as Turkey, these agreements are interpreted by emptying the articles and making excuses. In other words, the law of the strong is superior to the law of the weak. That's why the USA, the British and the French can easily interpret that agreement as they wish. This article does not reduce the tension that increases in such a situation. The killing of a Greek Prime Minister in Ukraine is tantamount to trampling on NATO's pride. This is no different from the sinking of the Russian cruiser Moskva. If you trample NATO's pride, they will feel obliged to fight back.

This is actually all about belonging. NATO's borders are blurry for Ukraine. I don't think they would be in favor of going to war right away. However, they will not refrain from taking steps that increase the possibility of war.

Russia supported Greek independance by the way. Russia will never go against its own proxy.

Greece and Russia are really close and will always be.

Dont forget how the Russians wanted to take Istanbul and install the Greeks as their puppet leaders.

During ww1 as Trabzon got occupied the Pontic Greeks welcomed the Russians as liberators.

Russians know deep down the Greeks will never push the trigger to shoot them.