TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

KAAN · Mar 31, 2025

blackjack said:
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Is it 360 degree X-band or like 120 degree X-band with a combination of L-band or X and L-band for 360 degrees? IFF frequencies I heard use L-band and that is describing the MURAD

IFF is part of the ICNI (Integrated communications, navigation and IFF) subsystem, not IRFS (Integrated RF system).

The claim that there will be L-band antennas has been around for years, but they will probably be for wide-spectrum ESM, rather than radar.

This is the integrated IFF system to be used, combining interrogating/transponder functions.

IdentIFF Mode5 CIT - ASELSAN

www.aselsan.com

IC3M@N FX · Apr 1, 2025

Does TAI KAAN support the AESA Multi-Aperture Radar System (MARS)?

Saithan · Apr 1, 2025

Which means that if we can secure 90+ engines for Hürjet trainer. Then we're better off than dreaming of something that in US eyes will prevent the sale of F35 to many potential customers.

That is my rough take on it. I can't be bothered to write more about it because it's empty talk. Let's look at what's possible.

Huelague · Apr 1, 2025

Yasar_TR said:
As per @Sanchez ’s post everyone may use a different unit to calculate %ge of locality.

1. percentage of value.
2, percentage of weight and/or volume
3. percentage of importance

But as per @TR_123456 ’s post, if you don’t have an engine the rest is superfluous.
Had we been a country like Sweden who could easily buy a F404 or F414 engine, then to use one of the above 3 as a basis of calculation would have meant something.

The new CEO of TAI, Mr Demiroglu last year at the beginning of Summer had said that both f404 and f110 engines‘ purchase contracts were to be finalised within a few months as they were waiting for the US Congress approval.
We are now only a few months away from a year since that statement was made.

We don’t have guarantee of supply of neither engine. Yet we are talking about Hurjet and KAAN serial production. US is now the most untrustworthy equipment supplier. And we have all our eggs in their basket. I wonder if we have even enough F110GE129E engines for the prototypes we have so long been waiting for?

That’s right. Which calculation method our government or TAI is using? Regard from the importance of single parts like engine. For example, is it the number of parts? If we need 10 parts to produce one jet, and 9 parts can be produced indigenously and needs to be imported, means 90% self sufficient. On the macro calculations.

Saithan · Apr 1, 2025

Huelague said:
That’s right. Which calculation method our government or TAI is using? Regard from the importance of single parts like engine. For example, is it the number of parts? If we need 10 parts to produce one jet, and 9 parts can be produced indigenously and needs to be imported, means 90% self sufficient. On the macro calculations.

That's a very simplistic way of looking at things. without the engine, those things are not worth nothing, so back to 0.

The government uses the method that gives them most votes.

Sanchez · Apr 1, 2025

IC3M@N FX said:
Does TAI KAAN support the AESA Multi-Aperture Radar System (MARS)?

"On the sensor side, the approach in KAAN can be described as “omnidirectional-multispectral”. For detection in the RF band, BURFIS (Integrated Radar Frequency System); will provide a nearly 360-degree detection and electronic warfare capability for KAAN thanks to its nose, tail and lateral radar arrays."
Defence Turk Issue.15, translated via google.

Huelague · Apr 1, 2025

Saithan said:
That's a very simplistic way of looking at things. without the engine, those things are not worth nothing, so back to 0.

The government uses the method that gives them most votes.

I get that feeling, you don’t understood my question. Don’t put any assessment into it. We all agree that a simple screw doesn’t have the same value as an engine. I only want to know which calculation method the government used. Not, which you can or I can use or will. Or which method is “better” or more correct.

godel44 · Apr 1, 2025

Huelague said:
That’s right. Which calculation method our government or TAI is using? Regard from the importance of single parts like engine. For example, is it the number of parts? If we need 10 parts to produce one jet, and 9 parts can be produced indigenously and needs to be imported, means 90% self sufficient. On the macro calculations.

They calculate it based on monetary value. Both in individual systems and in the aggregate, localization ratio is the sum of the value of domestic goods and services divided by the sum of the value of total goods and services used. It's a metric of economic contribution. As has been pointed out ad nauseam, even a cheap foreign part can block production of a system, but that's not what this metric is intended to measure. Different metrics keep track of different things.

Fatman17 · Apr 5, 2025

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Source : Combat Aircraft Journal

Strong AI · Apr 5, 2025

mTT said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904867087060811891

President Erdoğan (2030): "Our national combat aircraft KAAN will enter mass production. With Steel Dome, we will integrate our air defense systems into a single network"

Sanchez said:
Here comes the first official delay, as it was expected.

I think we can't say this yet, because here is the context of that quote.

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan spoke at the 2030 Industry and Technology Strategy Introduction Meeting held at the Presidential Complex.

Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan: Milli muharip uçağımız KAAN seri üretime geçecek

Cumhurbaşkanı ve AK Parti Genel Başkanı Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, "Milli muharip uçağımız KAAN seri üretime geçecek. Çelik Kubbe ile hava savunma sistemlerimizi tek bir ağa entegre edeceğiz." dedi. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

TheInsider · Apr 5, 2025

Fatman17 said:
View attachment 74366 Source : Combat Aircraft Journal

This also confirms the acquisition of 240+ Kaans till 2040.

Iskander · Apr 10, 2025

Indonesian President Subianto, who is on a visit to Turkey, said his country wants to join the KAAN project.

Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan ve Subianto'dan ortak açıklama

Haber 7 - Endonezya Cumhurbaşkanı Subianto, "Endonezya KAAN projesinde yer almak istiyor. Gerçekten Türkiye'ye hayranım. Türkiye bizim için bir ilham kaynağı" açıklamalarında bulundu.

www.haber7.com

TheInsider · Apr 10, 2025

I expect some development in IDEF 2025. Pakistan, Indonesia, and Azerbaijan are showing great interest in the KAAN project.

Zoth · Apr 10, 2025

I'm not really sure on how to feel about Indonesia's interest in joining Kaan project given the KF-21 project history and their reputation. Pakistan is a given, but i wonder how are we going to protect important data of Kaan if we give those jets to Azerbaijan which has very close ties with Israel?

I don't really know what to expect or to feel to be totally honest.

boredaf · Apr 10, 2025

Zoth said:
I'm not really sure on how to feel about Indonesia's interest in joining Kaan project given the KF-21 project history and their reputation. Pakistan is a given, but i wonder how are we going to protect important data of Kaan if we give those jets to Azerbaijan which has very close ties with Israel?

I don't really know what to expect or to feel to be totally honest.

If you're worried about Azerbaijan, then you should be worried 10 times more about Pakistan as they're 2 steps away from being a Chinese colony.

Zoth · Apr 10, 2025

boredaf said:
If you're worried about Azerbaijan, then you should be worried 10 times more about Pakistan as they're 2 steps away from being a Chinese colony.

Not improtant in this context, China is not our regional, geopolitical or economical rival in that matter.

While Azerbaijan is one of our closest allies, they are also the closest allies of Israel, their inventory is mixture of Israeli,Soviet and Turkish systems, this is the reason that i'm worried about.
Our relation with Israel dosn't require any explanation, we are both geopolitical and regional and maybe economical(due to eastmed project) rivals.

And for the last, i don't think that Chinese care about our 5th gen generation, they are busy building 2 6th gens at the same time.

2033 · Apr 10, 2025

Indonesia is one of the most important countries for us. A country like Pakistan that can always stand by us. It would be good for Indonesia to be our partner in every field, not just Kaan.

I_Love_F16 · Apr 10, 2025

2033 said:
Indonesia is one of the most important countries for us. A country like Pakistan that can always stand by us. It would be good for Indonesia to be our partner in every field, not just Kaan.

Pardon my ignorance, but how will Indonesia be a good partner when they have issues with South Korea over the KF-21 ? How can you be so sure that they wouldn’t do the same thing if they become an official Kaan partner ?

2033 · Apr 10, 2025

I_Love_F16 said:
Pardon my ignorance, but how will Indonesia be a good partner when they have issues with South Korea over the KF-21 ? How can you be so sure that they wouldn’t do the same thing if they become an official Kaan partner ?

Actually, I was looking at it from a more general perspective, not Kaan specifically.

Zoth · Apr 10, 2025

I_Love_F16 said:
Pardon my ignorance, but how will Indonesia be a good partner when they have issues with South Korea over the KF-21 ? How can you be so sure that they wouldn’t do the same thing if they become an official Kaan partner ?

That's exactly my concern too, i'm not really sure how they are going to give guarantees on that part.

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