TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[uçuyorum]

It was stated that it will have a payload capacity of ~10 tons. Nice to see it confirmed.



And an exact 0.95 with indigenous engines.

About 8000 kg of fuel then, similar to F22 and F35 probably. Which means rather short radius with 2 engines. I was hoping for more

 

[KAAN]

About 8000 kg of fuel then, similar to F22 and F35 probably. Which means rather short radius with 2 engines. I was hoping for more

GTU-0 does not include some structural technologies that will be used in the final aircraft, especially the titanium bulkheads that will be produced with the world's largest 3D printer. Not only the fuselage, but also the systems will decrease towards optimal weight.

I searched for the link for a while and couldn't find it, but I remembered that the weight loss that will come with the new bulkheads alone is around 3 tons.

 

[Holikarbon]

The features have changed a lot.

How will we see this in the design? Has anyone seen the design? Can we expect a change similar to the Y-22 and F-22?

 

[Huelague]

Money is always a factor, it's just nothing meaningful babble from F. Aksit, otherwise the titanium bottleneck would have been taken care of long ago.
Instead, there were significant delays from various suppliers from South East Asia & Co, partly due to poor quality of the material, but nothing that could not be solved with money provided you want to pay an very outrageous price.

@Yasar_TR give a clear and undisputed answer to that.

 

[Huelague]

The features have changed a lot.

How will we see this in the design? Has anyone seen the design? Can we expect a change similar to the Y-22 and F-22?

Very likely.

 

[Boykaz]

What is the difference between gross weight and maximum takeoff weight in aircraft? There is a 6-7 ton difference.

For example:
F-35
Gross weight: 22,471 kg
Maximum takeoff weight: 29,900 kg

 

[Ripley]

What is the difference between gross weight and maximum takeoff weight in aircraft? There is a 6-7 ton difference.

For example:
F-35
Gross weight: 22,471 kg
Maximum takeoff weight: 29,900 kg

Gross weight is the total weight of aircraft itself+load+fuel+passenger(s) whereas maximum take off weight (MTOW) is the “highest weight at which the aircraft certified to take off”

At your example, F35 never should exceed the designated 29,900 kg MTOW limit.

 

[Samba]

Does this update mean we are one step closer to the next prototype and its flight?

 

[Ripley]

Does this update mean we are one step closer to the next prototype and its flight?

Good question. I wonder that myself. I see people still debate Number of prototypes to be built but there should be a ‘final/ultimate’ one that is the closest to serial production version.

 

[TheInsider]

Does this update mean we are one step closer to the next prototype and its flight?

Yes those are the specs of the new prototype.

 

[Saithan]

So we'll have to wait for a new prototype to be made. We have to follow the norm on building prototype and testing them. Doesn't that mean the previous prototypes won't progress / tested any further ?

 

[Samba]

So we'll have to wait for a new prototype to be made. We have to follow the norm on building prototype and testing them. Doesn't that mean the previous prototypes won't progress / tested any further ?

Maybe they will be used for system integration tests?!

 

[Huelague]

How many per cent are foreign parts of Kaan? And what is the calculation method?

 

[Sanchez]

And what is the calculation method?

It's wholly politicized and that whole thing frankly doesn't mean anything. "80%" localization is useless when it currently uses an ITAR engine for starters.

 

[Zoth]

It's wholly politicized and that whole thing frankly doesn't mean anything. "80%" localization is useless when it currently uses an ITAR engine for starters.

Although i agree with your take, making a domestic engine out of nothing is not an ordinary achievement. It's much easier to find an alternative for an ITAR engine than find alternative for both ITAR engine AND other critical parts such as AESA radar, EOTS, domestic munition etc. So that take is not solely or wholly political.

 

[Huelague]

It's wholly politicized and that whole thing frankly doesn't mean anything. "80%" localization is useless when it currently uses an ITAR engine for starters.

Understood, but not an answer to my question. What counts, the value of the parts, or the parts itself?

 

[TR_123456]

Understood, but not an answer to my question. What counts, the value of the parts, or the parts itself?

I this case the engine is the most important part(being indigenous),so forget the 80% bs.
The engine counts for 99% which means no engine no indigenous percentage.

 

[Sanchez]

Understood, but not an answer to my question. What counts, the value of the parts, or the parts itself?

I understand your core point, but there simply isn't a verifiable metric for this, at least on open sources. That's what I mean by politicized. For politicians, arms are just another export item, they view it as high tech export and sometimes share "dollar per kilo" values, another meaningless metric.

I'm sure there is a general metric they use down to subcomponents, but they simply don't share it.

 

[blackjack]

Is it 360 degree X-band or like 120 degree X-band with a combination of L-band or X and L-band for 360 degrees? IFF frequencies I heard use L-band and that is describing the MURAD

 

[Yasar_TR]

Understood, but not an answer to my question. What counts, the value of the parts, or the parts itself?

As per @Sanchez ’s post everyone may use a different unit to calculate %ge of locality.

1. percentage of value.
2, percentage of weight and/or volume
3. percentage of importance

But as per @TR_123456 ’s post, if you don’t have an engine the rest is superfluous.
Had we been a country like Sweden who could easily buy a F404 or F414 engine, then to use one of the above 3 as a basis of calculation would have meant something.

The new CEO of TAI, Mr Demiroglu last year at the beginning of Summer had said that both f404 and f110 engines‘ purchase contracts were to be finalised within a few months as they were waiting for the US Congress approval.
We are now only a few months away from a year since that statement was made.

We don’t have guarantee of supply of neither engine. Yet we are talking about Hurjet and KAAN serial production. US is now the most untrustworthy equipment supplier. And we have all our eggs in their basket. I wonder if we have even enough F110GE129E engines for the prototypes we have so long been waiting for?