TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[TheInsider]

I expect some development in IDEF 2025. Pakistan, Indonesia, and Azerbaijan are showing great interest in the KAAN project.

 

[Zoth]

I'm not really sure on how to feel about Indonesia's interest in joining Kaan project given the KF-21 project history and their reputation. Pakistan is a given, but i wonder how are we going to protect important data of Kaan if we give those jets to Azerbaijan which has very close ties with Israel?


I don't really know what to expect or to feel to be totally honest.

 

[boredaf]

I'm not really sure on how to feel about Indonesia's interest in joining Kaan project given the KF-21 project history and their reputation. Pakistan is a given, but i wonder how are we going to protect important data of Kaan if we give those jets to Azerbaijan which has very close ties with Israel?


I don't really know what to expect or to feel to be totally honest.

If you're worried about Azerbaijan, then you should be worried 10 times more about Pakistan as they're 2 steps away from being a Chinese colony.

 

[Zoth]

If you're worried about Azerbaijan, then you should be worried 10 times more about Pakistan as they're 2 steps away from being a Chinese colony.

Not improtant in this context, China is not our regional, geopolitical or economical rival in that matter.

While Azerbaijan is one of our closest allies, they are also the closest allies of Israel, their inventory is mixture of Israeli,Soviet and Turkish systems, this is the reason that i'm worried about.
Our relation with Israel dosn't require any explanation, we are both geopolitical and regional and maybe economical(due to eastmed project) rivals.

And for the last, i don't think that Chinese care about our 5th gen generation, they are busy building 2 6th gens at the same time.

 

[2033]

Indonesia is one of the most important countries for us. A country like Pakistan that can always stand by us. It would be good for Indonesia to be our partner in every field, not just Kaan.

 

[I_Love_F16]

Indonesia is one of the most important countries for us. A country like Pakistan that can always stand by us. It would be good for Indonesia to be our partner in every field, not just Kaan.

Pardon my ignorance, but how will Indonesia be a good partner when they have issues with South Korea over the KF-21 ? How can you be so sure that they wouldn’t do the same thing if they become an official Kaan partner ?

 

[2033]

Pardon my ignorance, but how will Indonesia be a good partner when they have issues with South Korea over the KF-21 ? How can you be so sure that they wouldn’t do the same thing if they become an official Kaan partner ?

Actually, I was looking at it from a more general perspective, not Kaan specifically.

 

[Zoth]

Pardon my ignorance, but how will Indonesia be a good partner when they have issues with South Korea over the KF-21 ? How can you be so sure that they wouldn’t do the same thing if they become an official Kaan partner ?

That's exactly my concern too, i'm not really sure how they are going to give guarantees on that part.

 

[Iskander]

I'm not really sure on how to feel about Indonesia's interest in joining Kaan project given the KF-21 project history and their reputation. Pakistan is a given, but i wonder how are we going to protect important data of Kaan if we give those jets to Azerbaijan which has very close ties with Israel?


I don't really know what to expect or to feel to be totally honest.

Do you know of any examples where ambassadors from two countries were housed in the same embassy?
In 1992, our flag flew next to the Turkish flag in front of the Turkish embassy in Washington.
Our trust has stood the test of time.

 

[Ripley]

Do you know of any examples where ambassadors from two countries were housed in the same embassy?
In 1992, our flag flew next to the Turkish flag in front of the Turkish embassy in Washington.
Our trust has stood the test of time.

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Azerbaijanis are the last country to explain themselves and convince Turkey on any matter on this God’s green earth, let alone safety of any kind of partnership.

 

[Oublious]

lol

Every country who will join Kaan is doomed ahaha....

Better stop looking for partners and problem solved...

 

[Ahlatshah]

lol

Every country who will join Kaan is doomed ahaha....

Better stop looking for partners and problem solved...

Exactly. Some of us think like we are living in the Ottoman Empire, at her peak time. We are neither a superpower nor rich, nor very advanced country in terms of technology, science, democracy or law system.

We dont have the oil, gas or multi trillion dolar companies (even those who have, are trying to sell).

We have to sell Kaan and other assets, even agressively, just like Russia. Our entire industry depends on exports.

No need to reinvent the wheel. Just like others do. Some limitations, export versions and we are good to go

PS: By the way, we should not forget it was a Turkish Citizen, MKEK Kırıkkale director who sold MPT 76 infos to the foreigners. I am sorry to say that but some beam on our eye before suspect the others, that is all I have to say

Milli silahların bilgilerini satan Mustafa Tanrıverdi için 19 yıla kadar hapis istemi | Son dakika haberleri

Mütalaasını açıklayan savcı, eski Kırıkkale Silah Fabrikası Genel Müdürü Mustafa Tanrıverdi'nin 8 yıldan 19 yıla kadar hapisle cezalandırılmasını istedi.

www.haberturk.com

 

[Zoth]

My question is simple and raises an important concern regarding mixed inventory in terms of country of origin.

Selling a jet to someone is one thing, allowing someone join the said development project is another thing.

I see some unrelated answers such as we are not being ottoman empire anymore or ambassadors one and i don't understand any corelation of those to the main topic.

Anyone who slightly is interested in our defence industry knows that we need funds and partners for big projects like Kaan but having concerns over "which country should be let in" is a very valid point.

Edit: Just to be more specific about Azerbaijan issue, look at what modern air defence they have, then look at who keeps maintaning those air defence systems, and then in order to be used together with Kaan, what issues or concerns that integration raises.
Very similar to F35-S400 issue.

 

[Fatman17]

Just a nice pic

 

[Oublious]

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/italy-says-britain-is-not-sharing-technology-fighter-project-2025-04-15/

 

[Ripley]

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/italy-says-britain-is-not-sharing-technology-fighter-project-2025-04-15/

It’s behind ad walls (not pay walls). Won’t let me see the piece even if I allow ads.
Do you have a copy of the text?

 

[Barry]

It’s behind ad walls (not pay walls). Won’t let me see the piece even if I allow ads.
Do you have a copy of the text?

https://archive.ph/HMxef

• Summary
• Companies

• Italy defence minister says 'selfishness' can harm cooperation
• Italy in favour of Saudis joining GCAP jet fighter project
• Joint company will develop new combat jet

ROME, April 15 (Reuters) - Defence Minister Guido Crosetto has said Britain is not fully sharing technologies with Italy and Japan in a major project to develop a new fighter jet and urged London to bring down the "barriers of selfishness".
In an interview with Reuters, Crosetto underscored the importance of the Global Combat Air Programme (GCAP), which aims to develop by 2035 an aircraft that incorporates the most advanced technologies.
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The defence minister, a senior member of Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni's rightist Brothers of Italy party, said sharing technology when making investments together was crucial to a "serious relationship".
"There is no longer anyone who can be considered first and second class and who wants to defend old legacies," he said.
"You have to break down some barriers of selfishness. Italy has broken them down totally, Japan almost totally. It seems to me that the UK is much more reluctant to do this, and that's a mistake because selfishness is the worst enemy of nations."
He did not give any specifics about what technologies the British might be holding back.
Britain's Ministry of Defence was not immediately available to comment.
Rome is in favour of Saudi Arabia joining the programme, which Crosetto called an example of how defence cooperation can be extended to countries outside Europe.
"The choice of Japan was key in this respect, so would be Saudi Arabia, which has a need for technological growth and has more resources available than our three countries," he said.
Britain, Italy and Japan announced last year they would set up a joint company to develop the jet, a step forward in their initial 2022 agreement. Britain's BAE Systems (BAES.L), opens new tab, Italy's Leonardo (LDOF.MI), opens new tab, Japan's Aircraft Industrial Enhancement (JAIEC) will each hold a 33.3% share.

Reporting by Angelo Amante and Crispian Balmer Additional reporting by Paul Sandle in London Editing by Frances Kerry

 

[Ripley]

https://archive.ph/HMxef

• Summary
• Companies
• Italy defence minister says 'selfishness' can harm cooperation
• Italy in favour of Saudis joining GCAP jet fighter project
• Joint company will develop new combat jet

ROME, April 15 (Reuters) - Defence Minister Guido Crosetto has said Britain is not fully sharing technologies with Italy and Japan in a major project to develop a new fighter jet and urged London to bring down the "barriers of selfishness".
In an interview with Reuters, Crosetto underscored the importance of the Global Combat Air Programme (GCAP), which aims to develop by 2035 an aircraft that incorporates the most advanced technologies.
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The defence minister, a senior member of Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni's rightist Brothers of Italy party, said sharing technology when making investments together was crucial to a "serious relationship".
"There is no longer anyone who can be considered first and second class and who wants to defend old legacies," he said.
"You have to break down some barriers of selfishness. Italy has broken them down totally, Japan almost totally. It seems to me that the UK is much more reluctant to do this, and that's a mistake because selfishness is the worst enemy of nations."
He did not give any specifics about what technologies the British might be holding back.
Britain's Ministry of Defence was not immediately available to comment.
Rome is in favour of Saudi Arabia joining the programme, which Crosetto called an example of how defence cooperation can be extended to countries outside Europe.
"The choice of Japan was key in this respect, so would be Saudi Arabia, which has a need for technological growth and has more resources available than our three countries," he said.
Britain, Italy and Japan announced last year they would set up a joint company to develop the jet, a step forward in their initial 2022 agreement. Britain's BAE Systems (BAES.L), opens new tab, Italy's Leonardo (LDOF.MI), opens new tab, Japan's Aircraft Industrial Enhancement (JAIEC) will each hold a 33.3% share.

Reporting by Angelo Amante and Crispian Balmer Additional reporting by Paul Sandle in London Editing by Frances Kerry

Thank you Barry.

I can’t see the relevance to KAAN but nevertheless, shows clearly - again - Saudis ready invest in technology and industry after four decades of financial global investments.

Bottom line of the piece; we will do the work, Saudis will give the money.

 

[Oublious]

Thank you Barry.

I can’t see the relevance to KAAN but nevertheless, shows clearly - again - Saudis ready invest in technology and industry after four decades of financial global investments.

Bottom line of the piece; we will do the work, Saudis will give the money.

The relevance ther is no other option for others then Kaan , UK looking for countries do the dumb work and share it with others. The most important work is not being shared, we taught Japan was the one who did not want KSA to joing the club. But it is UK, well lets see what KSA is going to do, a lot off butthurted KSA boys.

 

[TR_123456]

The relevance ther is no other option for others then Kaan , UK looking for countries do the dumb work and share it with others. The most important work is not being shared, we taught Japan was the one who did not want KSA to joing the club. But it is UK, well lets see what KSA is going to do, a lot off butthurted KSA boys.

You sure?
KAAN 5th gen.
GCAP 6th gen.